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"According to the Killeen Daily Herald, 22-year-old Pfc. Isaac Lawrence Young was hiccuping while watching football on Sunday night with fellow soldier Spc. Patrick Edward Myers, 27. In an apparent attempt to scare him and make the hiccups go away, Myers allegedly pointed a handgun at Young's head and pulled the trigger. The newspaper said Myers told police he thought the gun was loaded with dummy rounds. Young, a motor transport operator from Missouri, was struck in the eye and died en route to the hospital."

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/army-soldier-trying-cure-hiccups-charged-manslaughter-124541269.html

Well he did cure the hiccups permanently.

9/26/2012 11:39:33 AM

America's finest

9/26/2012 11:40:31 AM

Myers?

9/26/2012 11:41:32 AM

depending on how close he was to the dude, even a dummy round could have done some damage.

9/26/2012 11:44:26 AM

what a moron.

9/26/2012 11:44:40 AM

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"depending on how close he was to the dude, even a dummy round could have done some damage."

not sure what you consider a "dummy round", but generally that refers to an inert round used for training purposes (often called a "snap cap"). they don't do anything.

9/26/2012 11:49:48 AM

Do they still make a bang? If so, I would assume that something would be expelled from the barrel.

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"Brandon Lee died of a fatal gunshot wound on March 31, 1993 after an accidental shooting on set of The Crow where a blank bullet was used during a scene, which fired a fragment of a real bullet that was lodged in the barrel."

9/26/2012 11:53:18 AM

no, there is no primer or powder. dummy rounds are not the same as blanks.

9/26/2012 11:54:42 AM

Oh ok, therein lies my confusion.

Either way it's a shitty excuse. Even if he knew it was unloaded, he should never point it at someone's face and pull the trigger. Especially considering he has had extensive military training, and isn't just some average redneck with a gun.

9/26/2012 11:57:16 AM

Something tells me if they were watching football he was probably drunk and not thinking rationally at all.

9/26/2012 12:01:07 PM

in before guns don't kill people and remember that 80 kabillion gun owners did nothing wrong today.

9/26/2012 12:01:27 PM

^^ I have never gotten so drunk that I would even consider taking my pistol out of the safe, much less pointing it at one of my friends.

9/26/2012 12:05:08 PM

You're also not an idiot

9/26/2012 12:06:07 PM

This has nothing to do with gun control and everything to do with stupid. If he had followed the simple rule of "don't ever point a gun at something you're not ok with killing" this wouldn't have happened.

9/26/2012 12:07:01 PM

^^ I can name a few people that would probably disagree with that, lol

9/26/2012 12:08:09 PM

^^

[Edited on September 26, 2012 at 12:09 PM. Reason : ^]

9/26/2012 12:09:02 PM

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" Especially considering he has had extensive military training, and isn't just some average redneck with a gun"

Extensive military training doesn't mean he's not still a dumbass.

9/26/2012 12:09:31 PM

agreed, but he should at least know how to safely handle a firearm

9/26/2012 12:10:19 PM

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"If he had followed the simple rule of "don't ever point a gun at something you're not ok with killing" this wouldn't have happened."

9/26/2012 12:14:57 PM

See if guns were banned this wouldn't have happened.

9/26/2012 12:28:33 PM

This could have happened with a baseball bat so let's ban baseball bats

(i own guns)

9/26/2012 12:34:50 PM

the idea of him scaring his friend sure got "shot down"

9/26/2012 12:38:36 PM

It's too bad someone with a concealed carry permit wasn't there. You never know if someone might have been able to stop the shooter

















































































by telling him not to point a gun at anyone he didn't intend to kill.

9/26/2012 1:24:02 PM

pro gun people have the dumbest arguments.

This clearly isn't good, and there is no other way around it. Accidents with guns happen frequently, guns are dangerous, and they lead to accidental deaths among many other things. Period.

9/26/2012 1:30:26 PM

9/26/2012 1:51:47 PM

what if he was following good gun safety practices but he just did intend to kill the guy?

9/26/2012 1:53:41 PM

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"guns are dangerous, and they lead to accidental deaths among many other things. Period."

You could replace the word "guns" with the word "cars" and the statement would still be true. Guns are nothing but a tool. It's a tool that is used for national defense, home defense, and personal safety. It's a tool that provides food for people who rely on wild game. It's a tool that people use to dispatch injured livestock and to protect the healthy livestock that provides their livelihood. It's a tool that is used to scare away threatening animals in the wild and to dispatch those that don't heed its warning. It's a tool...Nothing more, nothing less.

Even if you deny people's right to defend themselves with firearms a gun ban in America still hurts people who use them daily as a tool. And there are many people out there who rely on them for those types of purposes.

The only dumb argument I've seen is yours. It's based off naivety. The hundreds of millions of guns that have already been produced are not going anywhere; nor are the multimillion dollar corporations that build them and the massively influential groups that support them. Simple firearms can be made with tools and materials from a hardware store. The knowledge to create them is not going to be forgotten. When legit corporations can no longer provide a product that people want to purchase the black market will step in to take their place. More deaths will occur as a result of the black market trade than are prevented by any ban that might be put in place and they will be just as senseless and cruel as the ones that occur today.

The world isn't perfect and it's not going to be anytime soon.
Freedom > Worthless regulation

9/26/2012 2:05:55 PM

+1 for skack. Cant deny that logical reasoning

9/26/2012 6:04:20 PM

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" Accidents with guns happen frequently, guns are dangerous, and they lead to accidental deaths among many other things. Period. "

Go get a job, fucking hippie

9/26/2012 6:06:14 PM

Accidents with cars happen frequently, cars are dangerous, and they lead to accidental deaths among many other things. Period.

Accidents with forklifts happen frequently, forklifts are dangerous, and they lead to accidental deaths among many other things. Period.

Accidents with poisons happen frequently, poisons are dangerous, and they lead to accidental deaths among many other things. Period.

Accidents with chainsaw happen frequently, chainsaws are dangerous, and they lead to accidental deaths among many other things. Period.

Accidents with wood chippers happen frequently, wood chippers are dangerous, and they lead to accidental deaths among many other things. Period.

Accidents with power lines happen frequently, power lines are dangerous, and they lead to accidental deaths among many other things. Period.

Accidents with eating happen frequently, eating is dangerous, and it leads to accidental deaths among many other things. Period.

9/26/2012 6:12:10 PM

how in the hell are anti-gun people making this about gun control? its the fucking military, theyre supposed to have guns

9/26/2012 7:00:01 PM

Maybe we should just outlaw the drinking part instead of the gun part. Why do we need alcohol?

9/26/2012 7:35:08 PM

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"Extensive military training doesn't mean he's not still a dumbass."

Being in the Army doesn't necessarily equate to "extensive military training", either. It says the victim was a Motor-T guy; I'm speculating that the shooter was, too. These guys drove trucks and stuff; they weren't really trained to be gunfighters.

Even in the USMC, with "every Marine a rifleman", and probably a lot more weapons training in general than in the Army, most Marines are probably marginally proficient at best with firearms. Hell, my squadron had an incident where our Marine of the Quarter accidentally shot and killed his best friend, the NCO of the Quarter. Again, it was an incident of drinking and fucking off with a firearm. He was convicted of manslaughter and is now serving time.

9/26/2012 7:58:24 PM

lol@saps

9/26/2012 8:36:03 PM

So, people are believing his story then.

9/26/2012 9:18:58 PM

Apparently.

9/27/2012 8:32:25 AM

Even if you're dumb enough to point a weapon at someone, I would hope that you'd have the sense not to squeeze the trigger even if you thought there were dummy rounds in it. How do you excuse your actions after something like this? What happens to you as a soldier?

9/27/2012 8:41:58 AM

He'll be making little rocks out of big rocks at FT Levenworth

9/27/2012 8:43:46 AM

some big guy is gonna be pointing his gun into this guy's butt now.

They won't be dummy rounds either.

9/27/2012 8:47:41 AM

In his defense, transcortical high velocity lead therapy does cure* the hiccups.

9/27/2012 8:52:08 AM

BanjoMan is an idiot. This incident has NOTHING to do with gun control. Skack owned the fuck out of him in this thread.

9/27/2012 8:54:55 AM

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"The only dumb argument I've seen is yours. It's based off naivety. The hundreds of millions of guns that have already been produced are not going anywhere; nor are the multimillion dollar corporations that build them and the massively influential groups that support them. Simple firearms can be made with tools and materials from a hardware store. The knowledge to create them is not going to be forgotten. When legit corporations can no longer provide a product that people want to purchase the black market will step in to take their place. More deaths will occur as a result of the black market trade than are prevented by any ban that might be put in place and they will be just as senseless and cruel as the ones that occur today."

First of all, I never talked about banning guns. Just pointing out that you can't continue to live under the delusion that guns are not inherently dangerous, even in the hands of trained people. This is just another datapoint.

Second, nobody is really being serious about getting rid of all the guns, that's just the propaganda machine. However, automatic weapons and concealed weapons are on the chopping block and rightfully so.

Third, what, wait you really owned me with a bunch of circular reasoning? Really?

9/27/2012 10:22:46 AM

It seems that alcohol is inherently dangerous, we should ban alcohol

9/27/2012 10:24:58 AM

I don't think anyone is arguing that guns aren't inherently dangerous

9/27/2012 10:29:11 AM

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"However, automatic weapons and concealed weapons are on the chopping block and rightfully so."

explain

9/27/2012 10:31:09 AM

Yeah I was unaware of that development as well.

Big surprise that BanjoMan is uninformed about something.

9/27/2012 10:33:45 AM

chopping block in terms of what people on the left are actually concerned about. There seems to be this overwhelming notion that liberals want to do away with all guns, which isn't true.

9/27/2012 10:41:26 AM

no, they just don't know anything about them and confuse "assault weapon" with automatic weapon and so we end up with dumb bans on things like folding stocks and scary looking parts

9/27/2012 10:45:17 AM

That was just political motion cuz nobody has the balls to take on the NRA.

9/27/2012 10:48:09 AM

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"Just pointing out that you can't continue to live under the delusion that guns are not inherently dangerous, even in the hands of trained people. This is just another datapoint. Second, nobody is really being serious about getting rid of all the guns, that's just the propaganda machine. However, automatic weapons and concealed weapons are on the chopping block and rightfully so."

All the gun owners I know are well aware of the dangers. I only shoot with folks who are very safety conscious. I won't even handle a gun if I've been drinking and I wouldn't be around folks who do.

I don't know that I've ever met a person who owned an automatic weapon. They are already tightly controlled and the costs associated with owning one are tremendous. Anyone who has one illegally is already part of the black market that I warned about.

Whether a person has a weapon under their shirt or on their hip is of little importance IMO. The consequences are the same whether they pull it from their hip or from underneath their shirt. I support the CC program because it provides safety and legal education as well as a background check. I'd [generally] have far more faith in gun enthusiasts who have made the effort to take part in the program than those who have not. Likewise, I wouldn't trust the type of person who would use a gun for illegal purposes to worry about concealed carry laws. You can strip competent law abiding citizens of their right to carry concealed, but it's not going to affect the criminal element within our society.

[Edited on September 27, 2012 at 10:55 AM. Reason : s]

9/27/2012 10:53:42 AM