10/17/2012 4:08:47 PM

Larry King moderating.

I hope he just ignores them and turns this in to "Larry King tells Marlon Brando stories" hour.

10/17/2012 4:14:01 PM

It will kinda be the opposite of a Dem/Rep debate: Most of the 3rd party candidates overlap on many social issues (and likely foreign policy to a degree), but I think will show a greater contrast on domestic issues







maybe?

10/17/2012 4:19:34 PM

You must not have heard of the Constitution, Prohibition, or American Independent parties.

They greatly differ with the Green, Justice, and Libertarian parties, along with the many parties with "socialist" or "socialism" in their names, on social issues IIRC.

10/17/2012 4:24:54 PM

Mary Shelley's Johnsonstein

10/17/2012 4:40:30 PM

How the government counts parties:
1. Republican 2. Democrat 3. Third Party 4. Third Party 5. Third Party. 6. Third Party

10/17/2012 4:53:48 PM

This will only result in Obama bashing

10/17/2012 5:15:11 PM

What a sham! I can't believe they're not including the Peace and Freedom Party's Roseanne Barr (yes that Roseanne), the Modern Whig Party's T.J. O'Hara, the Socialist Party USA's Stewart Alexander, the Party for Socialism and Liberation's Peta Lindsay, and the Reform Party of the United States of America's Andre Barnett.

10/17/2012 5:24:26 PM

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"What a sham! I can't believe they're not including the Peace and Freedom Party's Roseanne Barr (yes that Roseanne), the Modern Whig Party's T.J. O'Hara, the Socialist Party USA's Stewart Alexander, the Party for Socialism and Liberation's Peta Lindsay, and the Reform Party of the United States of America's Andre Barnett."

Define "they"

10/17/2012 5:30:07 PM

I'm gonna vote third party (Stein) because its not like my vote will matter anyway in bright-blue DC. I might as well pad the vote total of a third party to send what little message I can that way.

10/17/2012 5:30:49 PM

They typically means "corporate interests" around these parts.

Lol.

10/17/2012 5:38:27 PM

WHERE IS THE PROHIBITION PARTY?

WHAT DO YOU FEAR, MSM?

WAKE UP, SHEEPLE, ALCOHOL KILLS

10/18/2012 10:09:58 AM

Quote :

"I'm gonna vote third party (Stein) because its not like my vote will matter anyway in bright-blue DC. I might as well pad the vote total of a third party to send what little message I can that way."

same but johnson and maine

10/18/2012 1:32:08 PM

Wait, the Reform Party still exists?

10/18/2012 2:10:20 PM

10/18/2012 3:24:09 PM

Tomorrow

10/22/2012 12:37:24 AM

i wonder how this will effect the outcome of the election?

and by that i mean the conspiracies against all these candidates, not any rational talk of spoilers.

10/22/2012 9:55:08 AM

Three right wing parties vs. one left wing one? Where's Stewart Alexander?

10/22/2012 10:11:34 AM

Where's my boy, Rocky Anderson? Go get 'em, ROCK!

10/22/2012 11:49:14 AM

Willard pwnt, stay home.

10/22/2012 11:24:50 PM

=

Quote :

"BREAKING: CBS NEWS INSTANT POLL Who won the #Debate? OBAMA: 53%; ROMNEY: 23%, TIE: 24% (Margin of Error: 4%; Sample Size: 521)"

Quote :

"CNN Politics ?@CNNPolitics BREAKING NEWS: CNN Post-Debate Poll: Who won the debate? Obama 48% | Romney 40% (scientific poll of debate watchers only)."

Quote :

"PublicPolicyPolling ?@ppppolls Swing state voters say Obama won the debate 53-42, and are planning to vote for him 51-45"

Quote :

"PublicPolicyPolling ?@ppppolls The states covered in our swing state poll were CO, FL, MI, IA, NH, NV, NC, OH, PA, VA, and WI"

10/22/2012 11:33:08 PM

^ wow haven't watched the debates yet, but wow, that was the biggest pwnt i've seen on any political debate...

Well, maybe tied for when Obama told hillary she'd be working for him.

10/22/2012 11:42:01 PM

what channels is this gonna be on? all of them?

10/23/2012 12:00:56 AM

4th poll, like all the rest, calling it an Obama victory: goo.gl/uC1Gf

So not only is it a clear win, but if I'm reading the numbers right from CBS who I think has polled all the debates, the is the biggest debate victory margin of all.

[Edited on October 23, 2012 at 12:18 AM. Reason : .]

10/23/2012 12:05:02 AM

JesusHChrist, if you're asking about the debate, he's there; as for Supplanter, methinks they invited the minor-party candidates using the two more rational rules of the Committee on Presidential Debates: They must be Constitutionally eligible to be President (not a prob. with the current field), and they must have access to enough states to constitute a majority of the electoral votes (Johnson and Stein have more than enough in straight ballot access, Goode easily has enough when you also count write-in status, and I think Anderson also has enough by this standard).

Quote :

"Three right wing parties vs. one left wing one? Where's Stewart Alexander?"

Stewart Alexander (Socialist Party USA) doesn't have nearly enough ballot and write-in access to be able to get a majority of electoral votes (he has my home state of Ohio and a couple smaller states), and it's really more like two left-wing parties (Stein of the Green and Anderson of the Justice), one "radical centrist" party (Johnson of the Libertarian), and one right-wing party (Goode of the Constitution).

10/23/2012 12:12:26 AM

Quote :

"Stewart Alexander (Socialist Party USA) doesn't have nearly enough ballot and write-in access to be able to get a majority of electoral votes (he has my home state of Ohio and a couple smaller states)"

Nobody in that room has a snowball's chance in Hell of winning a majority of electoral votes, regardless of whether or not it's a mathematical possibility in the most technical sense.

Quote :

"and it's really more like two left-wing parties , one "radical centrist" party, and one right-wing party."

I'll admit Anderson qualifies as lefter-than-Obama, but American Libertarians are more right wing than the Republicans by a longshot. Having sane positions on social issues does not make someone centrist, especially when your economic policy is extremist laissez-faire Capitalism that would make Romney blush.

[Edited on October 23, 2012 at 9:53 AM. Reason : .]

10/23/2012 9:47:39 AM

Quote :

""radical centrist" party (Johnson of the Libertarian)"

I don't think you understand what libertarianism is.

Abolishing fiat currency is RADICAL CENTRIST, DUDE!

10/23/2012 10:15:04 AM

Legalizing recreational drugs is RADICAL CENTRIST, DUDE!

10/23/2012 10:19:29 AM

I'm just a middle-of-the-road type of guy. I like to take the best bits from both parties, put together a platform everyone can get behind. I'm just a free-thinker like that.

That's why I think we should recognize that taxation is theft and abolish the IRS.

10/23/2012 10:53:32 AM

I plan on watching this later. I can't wait to see the election results though, because I honestly can't tell if the "3rd party movement" is gaining ground or I've just be more in tune with politics this year...

10/23/2012 8:08:02 PM

It's depressing to see these people who actually believe reform and "working within the system" is a real possibility - as if we could just choose to drop the two party system.

Should be an interesting debate, if for no other reason than candidates knowing they can't win. The Dem. vs Repub. debates are an inhuman exercise in emotional manipulation and carefully constructed talking points. This one might have some worthwhile discussion.

10/23/2012 8:49:41 PM

sure, postpone the third question to go back to the skipped opening statements

10/23/2012 9:26:41 PM

I missed the first hour because i just got in.

Its a much more pleasant experience watching this based on the 20 minutes ive seen, theres a lot of personal honesty and a little more legitimate statements about what they want to do, whether I agree or not.

hopefully i can watch what i missed

these guys have fire in their bellies

[Edited on October 23, 2012 at 10:22 PM. Reason : d]

10/23/2012 10:19:29 PM

Quote :

"I plan on watching this later. I can't wait to see the election results though, because I honestly can't tell if the "3rd party movement" is gaining ground or I've just be more in tune with politics this year..."

I guarantee that if you're looking for gained ground in the "3rd party movement" within election results, you're not going to find it.

10/23/2012 11:39:49 PM

Replay FTW:

http://www.c-span.org/Campaign2012/Events/Third-Party-Presidential-Debate/10737435220-1/

10/24/2012 12:02:47 AM

Second debate: October 30 @ 9:00 pm

http://freeandequal.org/updates/second-2012-presidential-debate-october-30-in-washington-dc/

10/24/2012 10:44:24 AM

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/02/santorum-down-five-romney-seven-vs-obama-nationally.html

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"Q9 If the candidates for President this year were Democrat Barack Obama, Republican Mitt Romney, and Green Party candidate Roseanne Barr, who would you vote for? Barack Obama................................................ 47% Mitt Romney.................................................... 42% Roseanne Barr................................................ 6% Undecided....................................................... 5%"

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/09/10/rel10a.pdf

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"Likely Voters Obama Romney Johnson Stein 51% 43% 3% 1%"

Granted these polls were taken months apart and done by different pollsters, but Roseanne Barr and Cindy Sheehan are both recognizable political activists. Seems odd not to include the Peace & Freedom Party if they really are trying to be inclusive.

Quote :

"Roseanne Barr ?@TheRealRoseanne Why did Jill Stein get arrested for not being allowed into the Presidential debates, yet prevents me from debating her? #hypocritical #AIPAC"

[Edited on October 24, 2012 at 11:05 PM. Reason : .]

10/24/2012 11:05:01 PM

Clearly Roseanne is stealing 6% of Romney's batshit crazy population.

10/25/2012 12:31:44 AM

HOOPS MALONE, I know very well what libertarianism is (in fact I considered myself a libertarian throughout college), and the use of "radical" and "dude" together is neither in common use anymore nor what I had intended by the use of the phrase "radical centrist": It was a matter of parallelism.

Quote :

"Having sane positions on social issues does not make someone centrist"

I had a hard time thinking of a term that would go well with "left-wing" and "right-wing" in the sense of taking positions from both of the major parties, and also some positions that are more extreme than either major party, while in a balanced summarization ending up between the "left" and the "right"; I decided to use the old term "radical centrist" as a distinction from the more consistent centrists who once survived on the fringes of the GOP and still survive as a minority of the Democratic Party.


Also, as another note, after re-reading what Rocky Anderson stands for, I still think he's a left-wing candidate, although not as consistently as Stein; advocacy of a balanced-budget amendment and the replacement of income taxes by consumption taxes do not per se prevent a candidate from being left-wing on balance.

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"I guarantee that if you're looking for gained ground in the "3rd party movement" within election results, you're not going to find it."

SMDP FTL
Also there's the problem that the minor parties (except probably Libertarian and possibly Green) have trouble fielding candidates for "downballot" races because of the outsized visibility of the Presidential election; notably, a fellow SMDP-based country (the UK) doesn't have a single headline candidate during its elections, so enough attention gets paid to the individual district races for minor-party power to concentrate enough to get a couple viable candidates through per party, like a couple years ago a Green MP was elected.

[Edited on October 25, 2012 at 3:57 AM. Reason : Roseanne Barr is only on the ballot in like 3 states, of course she was excluded.

10/25/2012 3:51:57 AM

I can't stand shit like "Peace & Freedom Party" or "Justice Party" or "Libertarian" or "Independent". Because who doesn't like Peace, Freedom, Justice, Liberty, and Independence? It's silly and insults the intelligence of voters.

Every party should just get a color assigned to it, like the Green party, but at random. But nobody gets Black. No way, no way. Tried it once, doesn't work. You got four parties all fighting over who's gonna be the Black Party, but they don't know each other, so nobody wants to back down.

10/25/2012 12:36:12 PM

dibs on the battleship party

10/25/2012 12:55:40 PM

what's obvs. much better is to have parties named after aspects of our form of government

like "Republican" and "Democratic" and the old-skool "Federalist"

10/25/2012 1:25:35 PM

Popular Patriotic Agrarian Workers Front of the United States of America, Marxist-Leninist

10/26/2012 11:33:56 AM

Quote :

"I can't stand shit like "Peace & Freedom Party" or "Justice Party" or "Libertarian" or "Independent". Because who doesn't like Peace, Freedom, Justice, Liberty, and Independence?"

THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX

and

THE GOVERNMENT'S ENTIRE FOREIGN POLICY

10/26/2012 11:47:07 AM

The PIZZA PARTY

and the

I DON'T OWN A PIZZA PLACE PARTY

10/26/2012 11:51:42 AM