Is 15-20 percent a decent tip for a pizza delivery. Like lets say 2 bucks on a 10 dollar tab?

12/5/2012 4:51:27 PM

how fast did he get there?

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12/5/2012 4:52:01 PM

15 is good

20 if you live in an apartment complex (or otherwise difficult to find place) or its raining

10 if they're ridiculously late

12/5/2012 4:53:37 PM

dont most places have a minimum order amount before they deliver, thats more than $10?

12/5/2012 4:53:50 PM

http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=625658&page=2#15323653

12/5/2012 4:55:45 PM

Nobody wants to read all that shit. and learn to link

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12/5/2012 4:58:23 PM

Fuck off.

12/5/2012 4:59:27 PM

They always automatically add $2.00 when they deliver to my house, so I always take that into account.

Check yo bill

12/5/2012 5:00:11 PM

The driver doesn't get that money. That's a delivery fee and the majority of it goes to the store.

12/5/2012 5:00:39 PM

djeternal doesnt tip, even when the pizza guy has to drive 90 minutes round trip to deliver to bumfuck, nc

12/5/2012 5:01:38 PM

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12/5/2012 5:01:57 PM

I don't tip delivery drivers, since its something I could just get myself, but chose not to.

12/5/2012 5:02:01 PM

When they charge a delivery fee I don't tip.

12/5/2012 5:02:36 PM

12/5/2012 5:03:32 PM

12/5/2012 5:03:58 PM

back in the day I used to do some nasty shit to known nontippers

12/5/2012 5:07:29 PM

If you don't tip, just keep in mind that the driver has access to your name, address, and phone number and can post that shit on CL.

12/5/2012 5:08:38 PM

multiply the tax by 2

12/5/2012 5:09:35 PM

Depends if they charge a delivery fee...

12/5/2012 5:13:00 PM

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"djeternal doesnt tip, even when the pizza guy has to drive 90 minutes round trip to deliver to bumfuck, nc"

In actuality, I always over-tip. To the point that it causes arguments with my GF. That being said, if gratuity is already included, that shit is on them.

12/5/2012 5:13:54 PM

seriously though... what's the point of a delivery fee if it DOESN'T go to the driver? Papa John is still getting the same dollarbucks for the pizza it made.

12/5/2012 5:14:46 PM

they are shaking you down

12/5/2012 5:18:35 PM

I assume the delivery fee goes to the driver. Am I wrong?

12/5/2012 5:18:54 PM

Employing drivers costs more money than employing in-shoppers. It's basically just the business passing the buck on to you while also screwing the driver out of money (probably so that the customer thinks it costs less money to order delivery and that makes it likely they'll order more often).

12/5/2012 5:19:06 PM

http://tipthepizzaguy.com/qna/2dollarfee.html

12/5/2012 5:19:19 PM

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"what's the point of a delivery fee if it DOESN'T go to the driver"

tax loophole. delivery fees aren't taxed. only the food.

12/5/2012 5:23:27 PM

Interesting. Good post.

12/5/2012 5:24:36 PM

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"I don't tip delivery drivers, since its something I could just get myself, but chose not to."

by that logic then the pizza should be free as well. I can certainly walk into the store and make it myself, but I choose not to

12/5/2012 5:26:23 PM

When I delivered pizzas for Pizza Hut in the summer of 2000, I received a small portion (~¢20) of the delivery charge that was added into my paycheck. I can't speak to current practices. BTW, if your pizza is late, 9 times out of 10 it isn't the drivers fault. It usually means the pizza place was swamped with orders and had a backlog.

12/5/2012 5:27:50 PM

Papa John's was $2.00 and drivers got $1.33? I think? It just went up (damn you obama) to 2.10.. I would assume the drivers get a tiny bit, and the rest was to offset John's healthcare or whatever he was bitching about.

12/5/2012 5:29:05 PM

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"Papa John's was $2.00 and drivers got $1.33?"

nah, most delivery drivers are given a "bonus" between .25-.50 cents per delivery and the delivery fee does go to offset that charge some. but that charge was around before the delivery fee was even added and it hasnt gone up any as the delivery fee has increased.

12/5/2012 5:34:51 PM

I used to be a delivery driver, and here are my thoughts.

1. We had a $1.50 delivery charge that the driver got to keep. However this was a local pizza joint and like others have said, this is not true everywhere. We also made only $5.25 hourly wage.

2. Tipping as a percent of the order means nothing to me. I still have to drive to your house! The amount of food I carry to the door is irrelevant. If your wings cost $5.99 but I had to drive 25 minutes and walk up three flights of stairs in the rain and you give $1, I will be cussing your cheap ass on the drive back. So take weather, distance, and stairs into account if you want good karma

3. For some reason people are cheap tippers when they just order wings. And before you racist TWWers chime in, this is not a white/black thing. The worst tippers by far are kids. (I guess they don't know they're supposed to tip??)

4. The minimum tip for me to not hate your guts is $2. Three dollars will make me feel neutral, and $4 or $5 will make me sing your praises.

12/5/2012 5:43:28 PM

that's just plain greedy considering you are already being paid a fair wage... PLUS a buck fifty each order. it's not like you are a server and live off of tips because you are paid well below minimum wage.

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12/5/2012 5:48:59 PM

I've already claimed and still claim that the neutral amount to tip a delivery driver without offending them is equal to the current price of 1 gallon of gas. Right now, gas is $3.11/gal, therefore a neutral tip is $3.11. Anything more is icing on the cake.

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"that's just plain greedy considering you are already being paid a fair wage... PLUS a buck fifty each order. it's not like you are a server and live off of tips because you are paid well below minimum wage."

It's not being greedy when 1 car repair (lets say alternator) costs the average delivery driver $300 to get fixed at the shop. By the time inspection comes around, the driver has to buy new tires, brakes, etc etc. and also pay insurance and fees for the car. Delivery drivers aren't the brightest people on Earth to fix cars themselves to save themselves money. You even have people apply to be a driver with a Ford Explorer and expect to make money. Smart deliver drivers know how to repair their own car and drive a compact "beater" cars that look ugly while getting superior gas mileage.

12/5/2012 5:50:08 PM

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"10 if they're ridiculously late"

try zero

i stayed in a hotel across from the pizza place this one time, but since it was after in store closing
time, i had to get delivery. I literally sat on the bench in front of the hotel and saw the guy cross
a side street and hand me my pizza. i gave him $1 on a $6 pizza, and he acted like there was
something wrong with me

12/5/2012 5:50:23 PM

If delivery drivers get a portion of the delivery charge, I think its to help them pay for gas, wear and tear on their vehicle etc.

and didn't we have this exact arguement a few weeks ago? With the same people chiming in saying that they don't tip? Dejavu


Yeah, we did. http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=632494&page=1#15607528

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12/5/2012 5:52:39 PM

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"It's not being greedy when 1 car repair (lets say alternator) costs the average delivery driver $300 to get fixed at the shop. By the time inspection comes around, the driver has to buy new tires, brakes, etc etc. and also pay insurance and fees for the car."

exactly, people who haven't deliver don't realize how much damage you do to your car. you go from starting your car 3-4 times a day to 50-75. Your alternator and/or starter are both gone within 30 days.

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"try zero"

while their are exceptions to every rule this is generally NOT the drivers fault. They have nothing to do with how fast you get your pizza. The go in the store, get handed three or so deliveries in the same area and leave immediately. Also he was probably giving you an evil eye over the fact youre a lazy fuck sitting on a bench across the street expecting his pizza to be delivered to him, not because of a 1$ tip

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"and didn't we have this exact arguement a few weeks ago?"

this topic definitely seems to come up at least once a month

12/5/2012 6:03:41 PM

I learned something new today

I've long assumed that the $2 goes to the driver, so my $1 "additional" tip meant a healthy $3 total tip on a $10 order

I feel like a cheapass now

12/5/2012 6:12:02 PM

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"The driver doesn't get that money. That's a delivery fee and the majority of it goes to the store."

To the tipper, why the fuck does it matter how the business runs itself? If they charge me a fee specifically listed for delivery, then it is natural to assume it goes to the driver. If the business chooses not to give all or any of it to the driver, that is between the driver and his employer.

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"Employing drivers costs more money than employing in-shoppers. It's basically just the business passing the buck on to you while also screwing the driver out of money (probably so that the customer thinks it costs less money to order delivery and that makes it likely they'll order more often)."

Right, so his employer is fucking the driver? Sounds like the problem is between the two of them.

We've got Nerdchick who received an hourly rate that was minimum wage and she got to keep the entire delivery fee, then there's another guy who gets to keep a small portion. It sucks if you work for Pizza Hut, but it is not my fault they choose to operate like that.

And Nerdchick, you got paid pretty damn good. You shouldn't hate anyone regardless of whether they tip or not.

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"I've already claimed and still claim that the neutral amount to tip a delivery driver without offending them is equal to the current price of 1 gallon of gas. Right now, gas is $3.11/gal, therefore a neutral tip is $3.11. Anything more is icing on the cake."

How is this a "neutral" amount? It doesn't take 1 gallon for them to get to me, so why should I pay them that? Who defines what a fair tip is? Seriously. To Nerdchick, a fair tip is $3 PLUS the $1.50 she got as a delivery charge. So in reality, she felt like $4.50 was a good tip. Here you're saying $3.11 is a good tip. To me $2-3 is a good tip (depending on where I live). This whole system is just fucked.

I would rather the business add a fucking delivery charge, give it to the driver. It's not like a waiter where their service is subjective and you judge the performance. With pizza delivery, you either get the food or you don't. And as explained, their performance isn't even based on them. A delivery charge would work better for everyone involved. The driver gets a predictable amount/night and gets a consistent pay for each delivery with no chance of being "shafted," and the person getting the food doesn't need to even think about getting spit in his food. It is a win-win.

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"You even have people apply to be a driver with a Ford Explorer and expect to make money."

Why is that my fucking problem? Why should I pay more to the guy with an Explorer than the guy with a Civic because the guy with an Explorer is a fucking dumbass? If you drive an F-350 to work, you don't get paid more than the guy who drives an 82 Fiesta. If you can't make the job work out financially, that's your problem, not mine.

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"exactly, people who don't deliver don't realize how much damage you do to your car. you go from starting your car 3-4 times a day to 50-75. Your alternator and/or starter are both gone within 30 days."

Then you need to figure that into your cost as to whether it is economically viable for you to be a pizza delivery boy. If the answer comes to be no, don't take it out on the people you deliver for because they just don't tip enough for it to be economically viable.

12/5/2012 6:44:24 PM

@ saps, my figures were really close, my family owns 3 papa johns.. I'm just not exactly sure those numbers are right, but they're very close. Also I have no idea how other places do it. But yes, it is to cover gas/tires/brakes/oil changes/etc, not as their tip

12/5/2012 6:56:33 PM

when i delivered pizzas in 2010, i got 100% ($2) of the delivery fee. that way, at least my gas would be paid for if someone didn't tip at all

12/5/2012 7:44:14 PM

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"I would rather the business add a fucking delivery charge, give it to the driver. "

I agree with this...but your vagina would still get sandy about it.

12/5/2012 7:55:26 PM

merbig doesnt seem to quite understand. A company usually pays you an hourly rate below minimum wage (when I did it almost a decade ago it was 4/hr). They also give you a set amount (when I did it it was .25 cents) per delivery which varied widely form business to business. Papa john's at that time was .50 cents. The amount they give you per delivery is up to each company and if a driver doesnt like it he can leave. That amount is seperate from a tip. It's the company providing you a set amount to help recoup for gas/car wear and tear. You are tipping a driver for their work in bringing your food to you. Much like tipping a waitress for bringing your food or a barternder for bringing your drink. Neither one of those have to brave far distances or brave the weather.

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"@ saps, my figures were really close, my family owns 3 papa johns.. I'm just not exactly sure those numbers are right, but they're very close. Also I have no idea how other places do it. But yes, it is to cover gas/tires/brakes/oil changes/etc, not as their tip"

papa johns always treated their drivers better but they were also more selective. Like I mentioned above in 2000/2001 they were paying .50 per delivery (and 5.25 an hour).

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"A delivery charge would work better for everyone involved. The driver gets a predictable amount/night and gets a consistent pay for each delivery with no chance of being "shafted," and the person getting the food doesn't need to even think about getting spit in his food. It is a win-win."

I agree with you, but to make it worthwhile for the driver it would need to be at least a $5 delivery fee and customers would flip out.

I'm done with this thread...maybe

12/5/2012 8:47:22 PM

I don't order pizza that often, but when I do I tend to order online (unless it's from Pizza Express, which is awesome), and I tip 20% of the purchase prize (pizza +tax, fuck that delivery fee). I generally get my pizza with a smile in 20 minutes or less.

12/5/2012 8:59:09 PM

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"merbig doesnt seem to quite understand. A company usually pays you an hourly rate below minimum wage (when I did it almost a decade ago it was 4/hr). They also give you a set amount (when I did it it was .25 cents) per delivery which varied widely form business to business. Papa john's at that time was .50 cents. The amount they give you per delivery is up to each company and if a driver doesnt like it he can leave. That amount is seperate from a tip. It's the company providing you a set amount to help recoup for gas/car wear and tear. You are tipping a driver for their work in bringing your food to you. Much like tipping a waitress for bringing your food or a barternder for bringing your drink. Neither one of those have to brave far distances or brave the weather."

I do understand. I understand that a company is shafting their employee by taking advantage of a tax loophole. I am not trying to come off as heartless towards the delivery guy. He's trying to make a living. I respect that. Rather, It's crappy that a company would give them the shaft like that. Besides an hourly wage, what is a delivery guy really costing a place? They're part time, aren't they? Does a company even need to pay a payroll tax for them? They probably aren't getting benefits, they bring their own car and use their own gas. It's like a really cheap form of labor, and they can pay them below minimum wage provided that the tips they get puts them at or above minimum wage. And I understand why I am tipping. I am not disputing that. What I am saying is if a company charges me a delivery fee, naturally it should go to the person doing the actual delivery. If they choose to withhold that for their own benefit, that is between the company and the driver, right?

If you want to compare to a waiter, if a restaurant makes me pay a 15% gratuity, then I will not put a single dime in as a "tip." If they take away that choice to leave them a tip, then it isn't a tip.

However, I don't think a waiter and a delivery driver are comparable. A waiter can do a shitty job of waiting (inattentive, slow, ect) or they can do a great job (enjoyable/sociable, quick, eager to please, ect). However, a delivery driver either gets the food their or not. His ability to get it to me isn't really in his control. He has speed limits he has to obey, waiting times for the food, other people on the route, ect.

And please. Don't even use the word "brave." Far distances? Most places only do delivery within like 10 miles, maybe 15 in bumfuck, NC. Weather? Dude, we normal people drive in the same weather all the time. If it's during a Tornado or a Hurricane, that will definitely get some special consideration, but a thunderstorm, nah.

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"I agree with you, but to make it worthwhile for the driver it would need to be at least a $5 delivery fee and customers would flip out."

You're right, most people would flip out. Which means they aren't getting $5 now, and I wouldn't be surprised if most people here don't do $5. So why would the $5 delivery fee need to be that high? If it all goes to the driver, why wouldn't $3.50 or $3.00 work now if that is what they currently get?

12/5/2012 9:06:28 PM

Generally I leave my tip on the online delivery instructions form, usually something along the lines of "Don't park in front of my neighbor's house, his dog will jump the fence if he thinks you're approaching his house"

I think that's a pretty good tip

12/5/2012 9:10:39 PM

When paerabol was a delivery driver, I would usually just leave the tip in his bottom

12/5/2012 9:15:07 PM

That's a huge wall of text for a thread about tipping delivery people.

12/5/2012 9:21:58 PM

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"What I am saying is if a company charges me a delivery fee, naturally it should go to the person doing the actual delivery. If they choose to withhold that for their own benefit, that is between the company and the driver, right? If you want to compare to a waiter, if a restaurant makes me pay a 15% gratuity, then I will not put a single dime in as a "tip." If they take away that choice to leave them a tip, then it isn't a tip."

The difference is pizza companies tell you that the delivery fee does not go to the driver. You know gratuity on a servers check all goes to that server.

Per papa johns:

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"*Any delivery fee charged is not a tip for the delivery driver. Please reward your driver with a tip for outstanding service."

Dominos:

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"Any Delivery Charge is not a tip paid to your driver. Please reward your driver for awesomeness. Our drivers carry less than $20."

Pizza Hut:

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"Delivery Charge: $2.00 (Driver's tip not included.)"

All of these restaurants are telling you that this money does not go to the driver so I don't know why you assume it does. It's not part of the tip.

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"And please. Don't even use the word "brave." Far distances? Most places only do delivery within like 10 miles, maybe 15 in bumfuck, NC. Weather? Dude, we normal people drive in the same weather all the time. If it's during a Tornado or a Hurricane, that will definitely get some special consideration, but a thunderstorm, nah."

OKay, sure, brave may have been poor word choice. Replace it with "deal" then. I didn't mean it as some life threatening situation, but it is a pain in the ass. That's why delivery orders go up tremendously when it rains, nobody wants to deal with the pain in the ass of going to get food in the rain. Throw an extra dollar on your tip in this instance.

12/5/2012 9:30:03 PM

setemup

12/5/2012 9:57:47 PM