In Raleigh this weekend. Anyone been before? Are credit cards generally accepted?

I am looking for a compact .22 revolver and concealed holster. I will probably end up spending ~$500.

1/16/2013 3:24:00 PM

yes, creating a thread about it is better than the first result when google searching "Dixie Gun & Knife Show"

1/16/2013 3:25:24 PM

I've used a credit card the last few times I've been.

I imagine that this one will be insane though.

1/16/2013 3:26:00 PM

this will end well.

If you do decide to go, get there EARLY. like, pick a time that you think is too early to get there, then arrive 1 hour earlier than that. and be ready to wait in line for anything/everything.

cash is always better

1/16/2013 3:26:42 PM

yes, they all take credit cards. you don't want to deal with the ones that don't anyway.

don't forget your permit

1/16/2013 3:26:49 PM

^ so I'm not very educated on this topic in general.

what do you mean, don't forget your permit? Do I need a permit to purchase a gun at the show?

1/16/2013 3:37:23 PM

You need a permit to purchase a pistol.

1/16/2013 3:37:50 PM

A handgun from a dealer? yes.

And if you don't have a permit by now, you won't get one by this weekend.

[Edited on January 16, 2013 at 3:39 PM. Reason : a]

1/16/2013 3:38:38 PM

I realize rules change, but when I bought my Ruger 9mm, I definitely did not have a permit. They just ran a background check.

Has that changed in the past ~2 years?

1/16/2013 3:39:06 PM

You can buy private party out in the parking lot. But a dealer can't legally sell you a pistol at a gun show if you don't have a pistol permit.

Nor can any dealer in NC for that matter.

[Edited on January 16, 2013 at 3:45 PM. Reason : a]

1/16/2013 3:40:51 PM

I'm packin all the time

1/16/2013 3:42:19 PM

i'm guessing i cant get a pistol permit between now and saturday.

Can someone direct me to where you would get a pistol permit. a google search for "pistol permit raleigh nc" proved unfruitful

[Edited on January 16, 2013 at 3:47 PM. Reason : asdf]

1/16/2013 3:45:47 PM

Go to the Wake co. sheriff's office on Salisbury St. and get one. $5 for a permit that allows you to buy, I think 5 pistols.

[Edited on January 16, 2013 at 3:48 PM. Reason : sfd]

1/16/2013 3:47:56 PM

Most definitely not. Gotta do it through the Sheriff's Dept. Usually takes at least 7 business days, but with everyone freaking out about Obama "taking thur guns" they are probably swamped. I'd plan on at least 2 weeks to get a permit. Good news is that you can get 5 at a time, so spend the money and get all 5.

^ and it's $5 per firearm, iirc. but it's been 8 years since I applied, so I might be wrong.

[Edited on January 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM. Reason : a]

1/16/2013 3:48:19 PM

5 dollars for each permit, you can purchase up to 5 permits at a time. However, it'll be weeks before they call you to pick them up.

1/16/2013 3:49:30 PM

^ that's what I thought, glad to see it hasn't changed

1/16/2013 3:50:35 PM

Yeah, I did mine like 6 years ago, never actually bought the pistol though, so it's kind of fuzzy on the exacts.

1/16/2013 3:50:56 PM

mother f-er.

there goes that plan. I wonder why I was able to buy my other handgun without a pistol permit before. shit

http://www.wakegov.com/sheriff/divisions/pages/pistolpermits.aspx

that's the link

[Edited on January 16, 2013 at 3:52 PM. Reason : poop]

1/16/2013 3:51:37 PM

Quote :

"Don't incriminate yourself - There is always the chance that a member of law enforcement could browse this board. Do not post anything that will incriminate you or someone else. "

I would omit details of any of your previous firearms transactions....

1/16/2013 3:52:51 PM

the gun is legally registered. i would be willing to answer any questions from law enforcement on the topic. fear not

1/16/2013 3:53:59 PM

Quote :

"You can buy private party out in the parking lot. But a dealer can't legally sell you a pistol at a gun show if you don't have a pistol permit. Nor can any dealer in NC for that matter."

you need a Concealed Handgun Permit or a Handgun Purchase Permit to buy a handgun, period. doesn't matter if it's from a "dealer" (Federal Firearms Licensee) or an individual. if you buy a handgun without either of these permits, then you have illegally purchased a handgun.

Quote :

"the gun is legally registered. i would be willing to answer any questions from law enforcement on the topic. fear not"

no, it is not. there is no "gun registration" in NC.

[Edited on January 16, 2013 at 3:56 PM. Reason : asdf]

1/16/2013 3:54:55 PM

The above posters saying "you can buy from an individual in a parking lot" are wrong. To buy ANY handgun in NC from ANY seller (private or dealer) you must have either a pistol purchase permit or a concealed carry license.

You can NOT legally buy a handgun with just a background check. You MUST have a PP or CCW.

1/16/2013 3:55:07 PM

^^^suit yourself

also, in wake county (and every other county except Durham), you do not "register" firearms

[Edited on January 16, 2013 at 3:58 PM. Reason : add another note]

1/16/2013 3:55:56 PM

^^^ And that handgun is most likely hot to begin with. I know I wouldn't sell to anyone without getting that permit so there's the paper trail should that gun get used in a robbery.

[Edited on January 16, 2013 at 3:57 PM. Reason : *]

1/16/2013 3:56:45 PM

Quote :

"the gun is legally registered. i would be willing to answer any questions from law enforcement on the topic. fear not"

Please explain. NC is a no-register state

1/16/2013 3:57:55 PM

actually, there is a handgun registration in Durham only

[Edited on January 16, 2013 at 3:58 PM. Reason : ^as the vast majority of states are]

1/16/2013 3:58:23 PM

And I was wrong about saying you can buy a handgun in the parking lot of a gun show. I was confusing that with long guns.

1/16/2013 4:01:13 PM

your plan was pretty doomed from the start. that gun show is gonna be packed to the gills. i wouldn't doubt if folks camp out the night before. i've had to wait 45 mins or more to get in during recent years. we're seeing the biggest wave of panic buying, price gouging, and shortages ever experienced by the gun industry. everything is out of stock. it all sold out weeks ago. there won't be shit at the gun show except disappointed rednecks and overpriced junk.

[Edited on January 16, 2013 at 4:03 PM. Reason : and jerky. there is always jerky.]

1/16/2013 4:03:14 PM

^ nailed it

1/16/2013 4:05:53 PM

^^ jerky and lasers

there's always lasers

1/16/2013 4:06:49 PM

Yeah, just get your permit, go to a gun store in a few months once some of the insane demand has died down but before it ramps up when the actual congressional debate starts (seriously, the debt ceiling and sequester debate is going to eat up all of the spring) and order what you want. You might have to wait a little while, but you'll get what you want without dealing with a crowd and getting gouged.

1/16/2013 4:07:02 PM

gotcha on the registration, you guys are a great wealth of information... and you somehow do it without being a prick ( )

anyway, I have a concealed carry from VA that hasn't expired yet. I read here:

http://www.ncrpa.org/ncgunfaq.htm

that if you have a concealed carry you don't need a pistol permit and i am aware that the va concealed carry reciprocates in NC. however, being that i am no longer a resident of VA I suppose that negates my concealed carry status. correct?

1/16/2013 4:08:56 PM

in my experience, the address on your CHP must match the address on your driver's license.

1/16/2013 4:11:59 PM

I might go at 4PM on Sunday just for a good laugh.

Quote :

"in my experience, the address on your CHP must match the address on your driver's license."

You can get around it if you have something else with your new address. I'd updated my CHP but not my license the last time that I bought a pistol. They checked with the ATF and I was able to use my vehicle registration as proof instead of the outdated license.

1/16/2013 4:12:37 PM

yes, i know, but putting an address you don't live at on the Form 4473 is a big no-no

that wasn't your case, but this guy is saying he resides in NC now, but has a VA CHP

[Edited on January 16, 2013 at 4:19 PM. Reason : asdf]

1/16/2013 4:18:48 PM

Get a new CCW in NC. That is, unless you want to carry illegally.

[Edited on January 16, 2013 at 4:22 PM. Reason : a]

1/16/2013 4:21:46 PM

Just a heads up, I had a buddy try to get a pistol purchase permit on Friday. Office said it would be the first week of February before he received his paperwork.

1/16/2013 4:23:25 PM

Just learned a bit about VA law:

Quote :

"PURCHASE AND POSSESSION No state permit is required to otherwise purchase or possess a rifle, shotgun or handgun. Virginia residents may purchase firearms from any licensed Federal Firearms Licensee, even if they are out of state."

from http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-laws/virginia.aspx

also, Virginia does not require you to relinquish your permit if you move out of state. With a valid photo ID from another state, the permit simply acts as a non-resident permit but remains valid until expiration.

interesting

[Edited on January 16, 2013 at 4:41 PM. Reason : _{obligatory i am not a lawyer}

1/16/2013 4:28:03 PM

^ His CCW from VA should be pretty close to expiring, if not already

[Edited on January 16, 2013 at 4:46 PM. Reason : a]

1/16/2013 4:45:15 PM

Quote :

"Just a heads up, I had a buddy try to get a pistol purchase permit on Friday. Office said it would be the first week of February before he received his paperwork"

at this point, you're probably better off to just take the class and apply for your CHP. you never need another $5 jim crow permission of the sheriff, you're protected from charges of concealing a weapon if you and an officer have different opinions of what "concealed" are, and, most importantly, the sheriff is required by law to issue your permit in 90 days unless he finds a reason to deny it. that's not the case for the jim crow leftover-from-1919 HPP.

1/16/2013 4:46:03 PM

permit from VA is not expired. doesn't expire until 10/2013.

so i am good?

1/16/2013 4:47:42 PM

do you live at the address on the VA CHP?

1/16/2013 4:48:39 PM

I wouldn't carry in another state, but that's on you. If you get pulled with a gun in a car registered in NC but your CCW is from VA, might be a tough discussion. Either way, as long as you disclose to the officer that you have a gun in the car (as required to have a CCW), then you should be fine. Cops typically have no issues with legal carriers.

That being said, are you planning to stay in NC? If so, go ahead and get your CCW here and save yourself the headache. It comes along with an unlimited purchase license, which pretty much negates your previous issue in this thread.

[Edited on January 16, 2013 at 4:54 PM. Reason : a]

1/16/2013 4:51:36 PM

^^^^ It's 45 days once your SBI background check (the typical bottle neck) is complete. Mine came in ~70 days, but it could take forever in theory.

1/16/2013 5:25:16 PM

I honestly wouldn't go. It is usually retarded crowded, and I can only imagine what it would be like with the current issues going on, and especially after PBO made his announcement today.

I wish I could get a good tax refund in before any ban took place. I think that would be nice irony buying an AR-15 with my tax refund.

1/16/2013 6:01:02 PM

You used to be able to get good deals there, but not in the last several years. The last time I went to a gun show in Raleigh, Wilmington, or Fayetteville it was more flea market type stuff than anything else. I imagine it will be packed and the prices will be high.

1/16/2013 7:10:31 PM

Quote :

"I know I wouldn't sell to anyone without getting that permit so there's the paper trail should that gun get used in a robbery."

there is no paper trail. that's the whole point of the way NC does the permit system.



and yeah, there's a gun show in my town in FL next weekend, but I figure that it's a total waste of time.

[Edited on January 16, 2013 at 7:46 PM. Reason : ]

1/16/2013 7:45:20 PM

So when you purchase a pistol in NC, and you give up your permit and fill out the paperwork, what does all that signify, if not a paper trail?

1/16/2013 7:48:29 PM

Quote :

"Virginia residents may purchase firearms from any licensed Federal Firearms Licensee, even if they are out of state.""

I thought the ATF controlled out of state handgun purchases, not state law (e.g. must transfer to FFL in your home state for handgun purchases)?

^it's like a leaf in the woods to guide your way.

[Edited on January 16, 2013 at 7:54 PM. Reason : .]

1/16/2013 7:54:05 PM

The 4473 stays at the FFL as records that he sold it. Private sales are not recorded anywhere.
There is no library of these forms, and working backward from manufacturer to distributor to buyer and on is not easy or fast.

1/16/2013 7:54:38 PM