List if you are on receiving end.

http://m.jezebel.com/5986693/college-rape-survivor-faces-potential-expulsion-for-intimidating-her-rapist

2/25/2013 5:42:36 PM

http://m.jezebel.com/5986693/college-rape-survivor-faces-potential-expulsion-for-intimidating-his-rapist

2/25/2013 5:48:58 PM

A lot of different hatreds coinciding here.

2/25/2013 5:52:21 PM

Only in America does the rapist have rights....This country is so fucked up

2/25/2013 5:55:41 PM

I can admit that I was not clear that harassing an ex was sexual assault. I mean I didn't think it was okay, but I never would have guessed it was sexual assault.

[Edited on February 25, 2013 at 6:10 PM. Reason : .]

2/25/2013 5:56:04 PM

What is Jezebel?

2/25/2013 6:14:52 PM

gawker medias terrible site for women

(it's not terrible because its for women, its terrible because all gawker media sites are)

2/25/2013 6:25:24 PM

women/nonsports version of deadspin

2/25/2013 6:25:37 PM

^^^^ i think that's referring to the sexual assault that happened while they were in a relationship.

2/25/2013 6:27:29 PM

Quote :

"Only in America does the rapist have rights....This country is so fucked up"

if rapists didn't have rights the Duke lacrosse players would all be locked away right now. Rapists should have rights, rights should be inalienable.

2/25/2013 7:02:37 PM

2/25/2013 7:03:28 PM

http://www.wral.com/unc-student-who-says-she-was-raped-facing-honor-code-violation/12150684

The question i have is, why was it that at every point in her case the University defaults to students for the investigation and decision? Her case was handled by a student run honor court, and the decision to charge her with harrasment was done by "student attorney generals"

Also, the harrasment isnt because she was contacting her ex, it was because she went public about the assualt case. The university is saying that the publicity is harrasment towards her ex, despite the fact that he hasn't been named publicly.

2/25/2013 7:18:34 PM

i'm not buying that she was raped since she went to student conduct instead of the police

2/25/2013 7:26:52 PM

Looks like those dumb rednecks at Moo U are up to it aga... oh, UNC you say?

2/25/2013 7:30:20 PM

That's what she was instructed to do.

2/25/2013 7:31:00 PM

I think it could be possible that there are more facts here than are being released. I dated a woman that had some mental health issues (put bluntly, she was bat-shit crazy), and when we broke up she accused me of harassing her. I ended up going to court 3 separate times (and finally with a lawyer) because she never showed up, and they wouldn't dismiss it for a long time. The fact of the matter was, she was mad/upset/crazy or whatever because we broke up and wanted to cause me as much headache as she could, and was straight up lying to a DA. Now, if they had reason to believe it was a situation similar to that, I could understand that...

2/25/2013 7:31:02 PM

who gives a fuck what they had "reason to believe"

the fact of the matter is they are undergraduates and grad students with little to no experience in actual adjudication

whoever advised this woman to traverse the path of "student conduct" for a serious crime like sexual assault should be charged with criminal negligence


[Edited on February 25, 2013 at 7:39 PM. Reason : -]

2/25/2013 7:38:18 PM

2/25/2013 7:44:50 PM

Quote :

"whoever advised this woman to traverse the path of "student conduct" for a serious crime like sexual assault should be charged with criminal negligence"

I believe that's who she and the other women filed the federal complaint against. Also for those that didn't read, the ex was the one that filed the harassment complaint that could lead to her expulsion, but it was only after she put her name on the federal complaint against the university, and he was "helped" by one of the university deans.

2/25/2013 7:50:51 PM

Quote :

"if rapists didn't have rights the Duke lacrosse players would all be locked away right now. Rapists should have rights, rights should be inalienable."

so you're saying the Duke lacrosse players are rapists?

2/25/2013 11:15:16 PM

if they had no rights they would be

2/26/2013 12:04:11 AM

I would not hit it.

2/26/2013 12:07:00 AM

Crazy eyes

2/26/2013 12:39:06 AM

I think you meant "accused rapists" should have rights: The Duke case was a false accusation.

2/26/2013 6:19:16 AM

^And according to the Student Court and the University, this guy is too. Hence why it seems like charges were never brought up.

Now the question becomes, is this chick just bat shit crazy and trying to drag this guy through the mud for nothing more than a nasty break up and getting slapped with this by the university attempting to help the guy defend against a false accusation, or is this a rape that the university tried to sweep under the rug to keep their numbers low and make campus look safe? Knowing this place around here, I would not be surprised by either situation.

2/26/2013 7:33:02 AM

Thank you, the point went sailing past lewisje and aaronburro. If they had no rights there would be no accused about it, they would be rapists.

2/26/2013 8:27:10 AM

2/26/2013 8:33:09 AM

From the DTH comments:

Quote :

"If you are a new supporter of Landen Gambill, I ask that you please take Landen Gambill's comments and new accusations with an intense dose of skepticism, if not full disbelief: ??I was part of the court when her case was heard, though I post anonymously to preserve my identity. I merely represent a whistleblower, of sorts. I saw almost no evidence to substantiate her claims of abuse and rape. She was given full and proper counsel and assistance during her case (which had the involvement of the Undergraduate Student Attorney General, herself), and she was allowed with no prohibition to enter evidence of all types to complete her accusation. We heard testimony from reliable witnesses, and from the accuser and accused themselves. What we didn't hear was a pattern of abuse that she is now claiming to have been involved in. We did not see large bruises, signs of trauma, or negligence from her body, and we did not see evidence of any kind likewise from her submitted. If she was raped, she did not provide ANY forensic or even circumstantial evidence to support her claims. What we did see was admission of clinical depression and paranoia, mental instability, and suicidal tendencies. We saw dialogue and e-mails, messages on facebook from her ex-boyfriend that support a claim of retaliation from her. She may now claim that that occurred AFTER her supposed rape, but there is evidence to the contrary. To counter possible claims of sexism: gender/sex/sexual orientation of court members is always random and in her case she was afforded female representation. The interim court was also headed by a faculty member.?? I have been a part of and heard multiple sexual assault cases as a court member, and hers was anything but adequate to sufficiently convince anyone of an occurrence of rape. This is what was meant when Crisp said, "the good faith report of a rape …" The good faith in her report did not exist.?? In the current charge by Ireland (since Grayson has a conflict of interest now that she can no ?longer represent her) that she made an 'intimidating environment' for her ex-boyfriend, there was evidence that she harassed him, after he had left her, through facebook and by posting endlessly on her wall about ?supposed abuse by him, and continued to do so through public discourse. One does not need a name to be smeared, slandered, and libeled against. Conversely, one does not need a name to commit any of those actions, as well. The court found her case not reliable enough to constitute truthful admission, as seen by the verdict of Not Guilty by the interim, faculty-led court. Thus, her continued portrayal of her ex-boyfriend as a rapist is unjust and cruel, which warrants both charges given to her. This is and will be obvious as the University processes her case, despite current naive protests by the student body. Further, she has the right in the Instrument to make her court hearing public, which she will not likely do, as it would involve introducing her prior case, her ex-boyfriend, and the insurmountable evidence produced to the contrary. I hope this serves as a warning to actual victims to report their case so that a proper and thorough investigation may produce the truth and serve legal, criminal justice against the abuser. ??I was also a victim of sexual assault my sophomore year, and I found justice through our legal ?system. Please consider it an option at all times. I would also like to heavily condemn any person with depression that threatens suicide to keep an individual in a relationship."

2/26/2013 9:02:17 AM

she threatened to kill herself if he left her

he left her

she took him to honor court for sexual abuse

sounds totally sane

2/26/2013 9:25:47 AM

I think a lot of posters here are missing the point. It's not a question of whether she was raped or is making a false accusation of rape, but whether the university appropriately handled the case.

When it went to the court it became a he said/she said game since there was no evidence gathered over the accusation. Is this a result of the girl making a false accusation, or the university dragging its feet or failing to provide the proper support for the victim? If this was an isolated case, I don't think she'd have a leg to stand on here, but there are several others who have filed complaints against the university for it's handling of sexual assault crimes, she's just the only one who's getting called crazy.

And UNC's not the only one in this boat. There have been several cases in 2012 of girls who filed reports of rape at large universities, only to have the school fail to follow through on it's duties.

And ^^ that users comment seems like a very clear example of how the Honor Court is not doing it's job. Read the responses to it on the article.
http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2013/02/sexual-assault-victim-charged

[Edited on February 26, 2013 at 10:30 AM. Reason : ]

2/26/2013 10:29:33 AM

She scares me

2/26/2013 10:45:56 AM

^^I agree in that either way the University has most likely fucked it up. No surprise knowing the Mickey Mouse shit that goes on over here.

That said, she might not be the best poster child for a victim for the group asking for Federal intervention in the matter.

2/26/2013 10:50:14 AM

oh neat, I know this chick

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

2/26/2013 11:14:08 AM

Quote :

"dtownral - "if rapists didn't have rights the Duke lacrosse players would all be locked away right now. Rapists should have rights, rights should be inalienable." aaronburro - "so you're saying the Duke lacrosse players are rapists?" dtownral - "if they had no rights they would be""

ITT, dtownral fails to read carefully. Either that, or he has exclusive information that conclusively tells him what happened.

2/26/2013 11:14:17 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/unc-sexual-assault-rape-victim-honor-code-142933849.html

2/26/2013 12:02:36 PM

she reminds me of

2/26/2013 12:08:58 PM

mrfrog misses the point too

you guys are dumb as shit

2/26/2013 12:13:11 PM

It seems I'm not as willing as you are to accept that the word "rapist" implies "accused rapist". Because it doesn't.

2/26/2013 12:50:09 PM

If we have no rights for rapists, there would be no such thing as accused rapists. They would all be rapists. The rights they have are how we figure out if accused rapists are actually rapists.

duh

2/26/2013 12:51:51 PM

Quote :

"If we have no rights for rapists, there would be no such thing as accused rapists. They would all be rapists."

No... they really wouldn't be. An innocent man convicted of rape is not a rapist. If you think he "is" then that's some seriously fucked up definitions.

2/26/2013 1:06:14 PM

2/26/2013 1:10:45 PM

Listen to this shit. I'm in Chapel Hill a few weekends ago at the Wine Bar in the basement of all places.

My buddy is hammered and kinda stumbles off to go play pool. I'm unsuccessfully trying to pry one of the only girls in there away from some dude who is clearly not in her league.

All the sudden i look over and there's two cops surrounding my buddy. He's one of those that gets a little disoriented when he's drunk so i run over there to help him.

The cops are interrogating him saying that someone wearing a blue shirt was accused of sexual assault and they want to take him outside to have the girl ID him.

Of course I object and tell my friend to stop talking to the cops this is a serious investigation and he shouldn't tell them anything. Not that he was guilty or anything I'd been with him the whole night, but you know how cops are anything you say is going to be used against you.

Anyway the cop throws me up against the bar hands behind my back and says I'm obstructing his investigation or something and I'm going to be arrested if i say another word. Obviously I know he's trying to provoke me and I'm a pretty aggressive guy when drunk so it almost worked but i managed not to swing at him because i wasn't in one of those get arrested moods.

Long story short my idiot friend goes outside and lets the girl ID him. Luckily for him the girl said it wasn't him and they let him go.

But isn't that some shit? Dragged out of a basement randomly because you're wearing a blue shirt in chapel hill?!

On top of that is that a real thing? Can i get arrested for telling my buddy his rights and advising him not to speak with the cops? I thought obstruction would be like going out of my way to give them incorrect or misleading information.

At the time I didn't know about the whole scandal where campus police have been covering up rape accusations for years to protect the school's integrity so i guess it's really a hot button issue there right now.

Oh yeah on top of that i really wanna punch the bartender in the face. He made this nasally "Well, what did you do" dickface comment when i said "did you see that, unbelievable these fucking guys" to him. Then i was so heated over the whole thing i left my credit card there accidentally AND i'd only ordered one beer there but got charged the minimum $10 on my card.

Fuck that place. I need someone else to go pick up my credit card because having to waste an hour, $20 in gas, plus that whole bullshit experience. If i see that bartender im going to have trouble not popping him.

[Edited on February 26, 2013 at 1:19 PM. Reason : a]

2/26/2013 1:17:33 PM

Why's the line about rape have to be in red

[Edited on February 26, 2013 at 1:22 PM. Reason : adsf]

2/26/2013 1:22:44 PM

Quote :

"No... they really wouldn't be. An innocent man convicted of rape is not a rapist. If you think he "is" then that's some seriously fucked up definitions."

If he has no rights, how is he innocent? Only he would ever know that.

Without rights there is no trial, no presumption of innocence. Thus, there is no such thing as an accused rapist, there is only a rapist.

It's one, of many, reasons that saying they shouldn't have any rights is stupid.

[Edited on February 26, 2013 at 1:29 PM. Reason : duh]

2/26/2013 1:24:01 PM

this deserves its own thread

2/26/2013 1:24:26 PM

The N&O finally published their article on this. I don't know if there's anything new here, but I would count the information as a little more credible than WRAL or Jezebel.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/02/26/2709067/unc-student-who-spoke-out-about.html

2/26/2013 5:06:05 PM

^

Quote :

"She recounted how last year she obtained from the Dean of Students office a “no contact” order against the ex-boyfriend. He was then suspended from the university and did not return until this semester, when he moved into a dorm across the street from her."

Okay, that's definitely a bigger deal than what the cruddy news sources led us to believe.

She got her boyfriend suspended from school in an extrajudicial hearing with the student conduct office.

Yeah, the way they treated her was bad, but it's quite likely the original suspension of her ex was outright illegal.
Yes, the problem is that they appointed students to be "judges" for other student's interpersonal affairs.
And this one should have been handled by police.

Relevant: organization that has organized legally to fight the illegal "student conduct" decisions and suppress free speech
The problem is, of course, the Paul Cousins of the world.
http://thefire.org/

2/26/2013 5:25:11 PM

ha, what do you know, they already have a blog post about it

http://thefire.org/article/15477.html

apparently they already had UNC's policies on file

Quote :

"The charge against Gambill presents startling new evidence of the oppressive danger of speech codes. Based on the information thus far publicly available, Gambill now faces university discipline—indeed, possible expulsion—for publicly criticizing university procedure and practice. This is a shockingly unacceptable result at a public institution like UNC, which is legally and morally bound to honor and protect the First Amendment rights of students like Gambill. FIRE rates UNC's "Conduct Affecting Persons" policy—the policy Gambill has been accused of violating—a "yellow light" speech code, meaning that the ambiguity of the policy as written encourages administrative abuse and arbitrary application and allows the policy to be marshaled against protected speech. Unfortunately, the inherent threat to student speech rights presented by the policy seems to have materialized here. "

TWW was outraged at these kind of policies before it was cool

[Edited on February 26, 2013 at 5:32 PM. Reason : link]

2/26/2013 5:29:33 PM

Bitches be crazy.

2/26/2013 5:30:36 PM

Set em up!

2/26/2013 5:34:56 PM