I'm confused about this whole topic, can a person not be both a victim and dumb?

5/14/2013 11:01:24 PM

Conservatives blame the victim and ignore the crime that was committed. Liberals blame the criminal and excuse the stupidity of the victim in cases where the victim could have avoided the entire situation by exercising common sense.

5/14/2013 11:02:32 PM

^that only really seems to apply in rape/sexual assault/mugging type cases.

5/14/2013 11:07:43 PM

Oh no that chemical plant dumped toxic waste into the river and now all the kids have birth defects!!

How do you respond?

5/14/2013 11:15:41 PM

Essentially, it is broaching the absurd notion that guilt may lay on only one, but but all people are responsible for their own actions

right wing hate mongering at it's finest

5/14/2013 11:16:33 PM

Seems to be questioning the judgment or behavior of a victim in a way that suggests the victim is partially culpable. "She wouldn't have gotten raped if she weren't dressed like a slut at a frat party" is one extreme, offensive example.

I think it's possible to advocate assessing risk and avoiding risky situations without ever "blaming the victim". The "dress like a slut and get raped" argument is a particularly bad one, but the "you're statistically more likely to get raped when at a party where binge drinking is involved" is simply factual.

[Edited on May 14, 2013 at 11:19 PM. Reason : ]

5/14/2013 11:18:49 PM

the difference is when that's someone's response to an actual victim

5/14/2013 11:19:54 PM

So if someone said "If he didn't want to have his car stolen he wouldn't have left his keys in it" victim blaming?

What about "he probably wouldn't have had his car stolen if he didn't leave his keys in it"?

is it all about the sentence structure?

[Edited on May 14, 2013 at 11:24 PM. Reason : ]

5/14/2013 11:23:01 PM

Very few people will actually blame the victim when the person is present. If someone is divulging that they were raped, it'd take a really special kind of asshole to say "maybe you shouldn't have been doing ____."

5/14/2013 11:24:57 PM

^

5/14/2013 11:32:24 PM

only if the victim is someone who legitimately should not have have left their keys in the car

pretty much the more idiotic your actions, the less indictable you are. unless you are drinking and driving. for some reason booze increases responsibility for actions taken while driving, yet it makes you virtually impervious to responsibility when fucking if you are woman, while doubling down with responsibility if you are a man, and control if you were the victim (woman)

5/14/2013 11:33:57 PM

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=KTvSfeCRxe8&feature=player_embedded&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DKTvSfeCRxe8%26feature%3Dplayer_embedded

This tedx is about victim blaming.

5/14/2013 11:34:55 PM

is there ever a time when you should 'legitimately' leave your keys in your car?

i doubt my car would ever get stolen from my parking lot, but if i warm it up on a cold winter morning, i take the key fob back inside with me, after locking the car, while waiting for it to warm up

5/14/2013 11:37:30 PM

yeah. when you live outside the confines of a twisting swill-pot of a city.

trust actually DOES still exist in the world, but there are certainly times when it is grossly misplaced

5/14/2013 11:40:15 PM

if you live out in bumfuck, and leave your car unlocked, and get some 8-tracks stolen from your stereo, i blame the victim

5/14/2013 11:41:01 PM

I come from a really small town and leave my keys in the car overnight all the time when I'm there, as well as my door unlocked unless I'm gonna be gone for at least a day.

But if someone were to steal my car or rob my house while I was gone I would probably feel like an idiot.

The criminal is ultimately fully to blame for crimes, but that doesn't mean we don't have the responsibility to cope with an imperfect world where some people are malicious.

[Edited on May 14, 2013 at 11:49 PM. Reason : ]

5/14/2013 11:46:18 PM

8 tracks aren't stolen, they are kidnapped


and i was only aware of the kind of bumfuck you bump into in the ally of some section 8 housing district

i do blame the victim there: THE UNIVERSE

5/14/2013 11:47:51 PM

Quote :

"bum fuck your allies"

5/14/2013 11:49:41 PM

in the UK they just say "bummed"

crazy shit man

i'm glad we don't do that here, i'd be totally bummed

5/15/2013 12:04:26 AM

you can't blame the victim if he was hot as fuck

5/15/2013 9:32:08 AM

adam lan... whatever his last name is. retarded mass shooting kid, his mom.

stupid fucking victim that got a bunch of kids killed

[Edited on May 15, 2013 at 9:33 AM. Reason : .]

5/15/2013 9:32:52 AM

i blame the parents

5/15/2013 9:36:06 AM

Quote :

"The criminal is ultimately fully to blame for crimes, but that doesn't mean we don't have the responsibility to cope with an imperfect world where some people are malicious."

5/15/2013 9:38:30 AM

This thread is a pretty good shitheel indicator.

5/15/2013 10:43:35 AM

5/15/2013 10:49:46 AM

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"Oh no that chemical plant dumped toxic waste into the river and now all the kids have birth defects!! How do you respond?"

They knew the chemical plant was there when they bought their house. And did you see the kinds of curtains they had put up the night before?

Quote :

"Seems to be questioning the judgment or behavior of a victim in a way that suggests the victim is partially culpable. "She wouldn't have gotten raped if she weren't dressed like a slut at a frat party" is one extreme, offensive example. I think it's possible to advocate assessing risk and avoiding risky situations without ever "blaming the victim". The "dress like a slut and get raped" argument is a particularly bad one, but the "you're statistically more likely to get raped when at a party where binge drinking is involved" is simply factual."

In all honesty though, you can never empirically reconcile these two things. The victim blaming concept is an emotional one, and you have fallaciously believed that you can set clear and hard bounds on what is an isn't victim blaming.

All I have to do is feel blamed by what you said. What if IRL I'm a rape survivor and I feel blamed by your tactless shoving of statistics down my throat? I have every right to binge drink and not get raped! How dare you suggest otherwise! which you clearly did I hear it in your tone

[Edited on May 15, 2013 at 11:12 AM. Reason : ]

5/15/2013 11:11:55 AM

maybe there would be less rape survivors if guys actually had any clue when they would be accused of rape


THATS HOW THEY GET YOU

5/15/2013 11:49:32 AM

victim blaming is this crazy idea that the victim of a crime may have, in some way, contributed to being the victim of a crime, and we as outside observers hold them accountable for that

5/15/2013 12:05:01 PM

^^OMG

5/15/2013 12:05:46 PM