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"What would make you speculate that Martin initiated the fist fight?"

that wasn't speculation. that was zimmerman's testimony.

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"I've made it very clear that I'm not talking about the court, i've said i basically agree with the court's decision, there was no proof. i'm talking about my opinion."

well clearly this is a waste of my time, then.

7/17/2013 2:56:47 PM

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"that wasn't speculation. that was zimmerman's testimony."

wait, so you're saying you automatically believe it? i'm sure if martin was able to give testimony, he'd probably claim that zimmerman initiated it. but he wasn't given that opportunity.

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"well clearly this is a waste of my time, then."

haha, ok. what were you trying to do? convince me that the court made the right decision? if you had read my posts, i clearly stated multiple times that i see why the court ruled the way they did, and i clearly stated i was speculating as to what actually happened (not what zimmerman said happened).

[Edited on July 17, 2013 at 3:08 PM. Reason : ]

7/17/2013 3:01:16 PM

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"wait, so you're saying you automatically believe it?"

no dude, i was speaking based on the court's decision.

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"convince me that the court made the right decision?"

convince you that both sides were potentially culpable and it's pointless to make unknown assumptions. i don't understand why you would continue to speculate if not to dispute the court's decision. waste of time. and i did not read any of your posts saying you agreed.

[Edited on July 17, 2013 at 3:13 PM. Reason : .]

7/17/2013 3:12:55 PM

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"i don't understand why you would continue to speculate if not to dispute the court's decision. "

I'm killing time and I think the douche with a superiority complex got away with following and confronting an unarmed teenager in his own neighborhood, initiating a fight with the kid, then shooting and killing him when the kid started (justifiably) kicking his ass.

7/17/2013 3:17:35 PM

But see there was this thing called a trial, and it's over now, so why don't you drive your ass to Florida and protest at the statehouse if you want laws changed?

7/17/2013 4:05:36 PM

come on, the time when *real* change can happen is in 2015, if the Rethugs get voted out of office in 2014

7/17/2013 4:15:13 PM

He wasn't justified in starting to kick zimmerman's ass. That is the key right there.
Z follows T. T stops. Z says what are you doing and T replies with fists.....
Z may have even called him a bunch of racial shit, still doesn't escalate to fists thrown.

7/17/2013 4:16:09 PM

^that's all speculation, you don't know if t replied with fists anymore than if T tried to run and Z grabbed him.

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"But see there was this thing called a trial, and it's over now, so why don't you drive your ass to Florida and protest at the statehouse if you want laws changed?"

Dude, I'm commenting on a message board about a trial that ended a couple days ago, relax. And it ain't over: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/17/doj-seeking-tips-in-zimmerman-probe/

[Edited on July 17, 2013 at 4:33 PM. Reason : ]

7/17/2013 4:21:27 PM

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"Z follows T. T stops. Z says what are you doing and T replies with fists..... Z may have even called him a bunch of racial shit, still doesn't escalate to fists thrown."

Dude...



Zimmerman was on the line with 911 when he got to point E. We know this because he said he was looking for the street sign. He could have been lying, but the entire thing could have been set up by aliens for that matter.

Are maps biased against Trayvon? Because Zimmerman had to have been walking back to his car by the time the confrontation happened. Because geometry. That detail looked very good for GZ in the trial. It changed the story completely. But I guess it didn't change for you.

[Edited on July 17, 2013 at 4:30 PM. Reason : ]

7/17/2013 4:29:40 PM

Historically speaking cartography has always been white-dominated and very biased against people of color.

7/17/2013 5:27:38 PM

Maybe I should have used x and y. Doesn't make a difference. That was my point.

7/17/2013 6:26:58 PM

http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/17/jeantel-i-believe-trayvon-hit-first-video/

Trayvon was clear and doubled back. Trayvon struck first. Now let's stop the protests, please?

7/18/2013 4:48:49 AM

after Zimmerman tried to detain him...

7/18/2013 8:12:47 AM

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"said she thought it was Martin who had landed the first blow in the altercation with George Zimmerman after Zimmerman tried to tried to detain Martin."

7/18/2013 9:55:50 AM

I know all of the evidence says otherwise, but I still believe that George Zimmerman was a white Caucasian racist that intentionally slayed Trayvon Martin, a black, defenseless toddler in cold blood. I know that none of this can technically be proven in court, but it still feels true.

[Edited on July 18, 2013 at 10:07 AM. Reason : ]

7/18/2013 10:07:06 AM

that's real productive man... because if you think that a teenager was unnecessarily murdered, it's means you believe that. real productive.

(ps, to me, it doesn't matter what the races of either of them are. but it sounds like you're just too biased to understand that)

7/18/2013 10:10:51 AM

if it didn't matter what race they were, this never would've made it beyond the local news

7/18/2013 11:30:40 AM

Just Al and Jesse trying to stay relevant in a country that will elect a black president.

7/18/2013 11:38:18 AM

^^that's probably true

[Edited on July 18, 2013 at 11:39 AM. Reason : ]

7/18/2013 11:38:18 AM

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"George Zimmerman was a white Caucasian racist"

now now now he was a white Hispanic racist

7/18/2013 11:55:18 AM

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"because if you think that a teenager was unnecessarily murdered, it's means you believe that."

How is "I think" different than "I believe"? The two are interchangeable. You could say "I suspect" or "I think x may have happened" if there is doubt in your mind.

7/18/2013 12:01:49 PM

sorry, i knew i wrote that weird, and i wasn't trying to say that "think" or "believe" are any different.

when i said "believe that", i was referring to d357r0y3r's silly post. He wants to believe that anybody who finds fault with Zimmerman's actions believes that way because of white guilt or something.

7/18/2013 12:21:58 PM

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"Just Al and Jesse trying to stay relevant in a country that will elect a black president."

Yeah man, they elected a Black president. Racism is dead! *toots horn*

7/18/2013 2:09:12 PM

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Thanks.

7/18/2013 2:15:57 PM

To be fair, the point you were trying to make was pretty regoddamntarded.


You mentioned Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Barack Obama all in the same sentence in a discussion about race in America. I'd recommend just backing away from whatever stupid-ass thought you had bouncing around your head rather than trying to double down on it. Just my suggestion, though. Do as you please.

7/18/2013 5:25:18 PM

What point was I was trying to make?

7/18/2013 6:48:43 PM

Let's break it down to see what your implied message was

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"Just Al and Jesse"

Two notorious Black activists that White people love to complain about

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"trying to stay relevant"

Implying that they're no longer necessary or important

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"in a country that will elect a black president."

in a country that is forward-thinking enough to elect an African-American President, implying that racism must not be a major issue anymore.

7/18/2013 7:41:55 PM

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"Implying that they're no longer necessary or important"

They're not necessary, but they are important - in the same way that Rush Limbaugh is important.

7/18/2013 8:20:52 PM

Jackson was the runner up to Dukakis for the 1988 Democratic nomination. In other words, he was a major player in American politics. His influence has been on the decline ever since and he has taken a lot of heat with his target demographic for comments that he has made about Obama in the last 5 years. "Trying to remain relevant" doesn't seem like a bad description in that context.

Meanwhile, Obama is arguably the most powerful person in the world and he was fairly elected by a majority of the US' voting population. There's really no valid reason to take the leap from "he insulted Jesse" to "OMG HE DOESN'T THINK RACISM EXISTS ANYMORE."

7/18/2013 8:36:51 PM

When you hear people constantly starting sentences with "Well we elected Obama therefore" and followed with some racist bullshit, you start to get a feeling that people bring it up for a specific reason.

7/18/2013 8:41:30 PM

Yeah, it's called "less racism in general."

7/19/2013 12:21:34 AM

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/10/27/poll-black-prejudice-america/1662067/

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"WASHINGTON (AP) — Racial attitudes have not improved in the four years since the United States elected its first black president, an Associated Press poll finds, as a slight majority of Americans now express prejudice toward blacks whether they recognize those feelings or not. Those views could cost President Obama votes as he tries for re-election, the survey found, though the effects are mitigated by some Americans' more favorable views of blacks. Racial prejudice has increased slightly since 2008 whether those feelings were measured using questions that explicitly asked respondents about racist attitudes, or through an experimental test that measured implicit views toward race without asking questions about that topic directly. In all, 51% of Americans now express explicit anti-black attitudes, compared with 48% in a similar 2008 survey. When measured by an implicit racial attitudes test, the number of Americans with anti-black sentiments jumped to 56%, up from 49% during the last presidential election. In both tests, the share of Americans expressing pro-black attitudes fell. "As much as we'd hope the impact of race would decline over time ... it appears the impact of anti-black sentiment on voting is about the same as it was four years ago," said Jon Krosnick, a Stanford University professor who worked with AP to develop the survey. Most Americans expressed anti-Hispanic sentiments, too. In an AP survey done in 2011, 52% of non-Hispanic whites expressed anti-Hispanic attitudes. That figure rose to 57% in the implicit test. The survey on Hispanics had no past data for comparison. The AP surveys were conducted with researchers from Stanford University, the University of Michigan and NORC at the University of Chicago. Experts on race said they were not surprised by the findings. "We have this false idea that there is uniformity in progress and that things change in one big step. That is not the way history has worked," said Jelani Cobb, professor of history and director of the Institute for African-American Studies at the University of Connecticut. "When we've seen progress, we've also seen backlash." Obama himself has tread cautiously on the subject of race, but many African-Americans have talked openly about perceived antagonism toward them since Obama took office. As evidence, they point to events involving police brutality or cite bumper stickers, cartoons and protest posters that mock the president as a lion or a monkey, or lynch him in effigy. "Part of it is growing polarization within American society," said Fredrick Harris, director of the Institute for Research in African-American Studies at Columbia University. "The last Democrat in the White House said we had to have a national discussion about race. There's been total silence around issues of race with this president. But, as you see, whether there is silence, or an elevation of the discussion of race, you still have polarization. It will take more generations, I suspect, before we eliminate these deep feelings." Overall, the survey found that by virtue of racial prejudice, Obama could lose 5 percentage points off his share of the popular vote in his Nov. 6 contest against Republican challenger Mitt Romney. However, Obama also stands to benefit from a 3 percentage point gain due to pro-black sentiment, researchers said. Overall, that means an estimated net loss of 2 percentage points due to anti-black attitudes. The poll finds that racial prejudice is not limited to one group of partisans. Although Republicans were more likely than Democrats to express racial prejudice in the questions measuring explicit racism (79% among Republicans compared with 32% among Democrats), the implicit test found little difference between the two parties. That test showed a majority of both Democrats and Republicans held anti-black feelings (55% of Democrats and 64% of Republicans), as did about half of political independents (49%). Obama faced a similar situation in 2008, the survey then found. The Associated Press developed the surveys to measure sensitive racial views in several ways and repeated those studies several times between 2008 and 2012. The explicit racism measures asked respondents whether they agreed or disagreed with a series of statements about black and Hispanic people. In addition, the surveys asked how well respondents thought certain words, such as "friendly," ''hardworking," ''violent" and "lazy," described blacks, whites and Hispanics. The same respondents were also administered a survey designed to measure implicit racism, in which a photo of a black, Hispanic or white male flashed on the screen before a neutral image of a Chinese character. The respondents were then asked to rate their feelings toward the Chinese character. Previous research has shown that people transfer their feelings about the photo onto the character, allowing researchers to measure racist feelings even if a respondent does not acknowledge them. Results from those questions were analyzed with poll takers' ages, partisan beliefs, views on Obama and Romney and other factors, which allowed researchers to predict the likelihood that people would vote for either Obama or Romney. Those models were then used to estimate the net impact of each factor on the candidates' support. All the surveys were conducted online. Other research has shown that poll takers are more likely to share unpopular attitudes when they are filling out a survey using a computer rather than speaking with an interviewer. Respondents were randomly selected from a nationally representative panel maintained by GfK Custom Research. Overall results from each survey have a margin of sampling error of approximately plus or minus 4 percentage points. The most recent poll, measuring anti-black views, was conducted Aug. 30 to Sept. 11. Andra Gillespie, an Emory University political scientist who studies race-neutrality among black politicians, contrasted the situation to that faced by the first black mayors elected in major U.S. cities, the closest parallel to Obama's first-black situation. Those mayors, she said, typically won about 20% of the white vote in their first races, but when seeking re-election they enjoyed greater white support presumably because "the whites who stayed in the cities ... became more comfortable with a black executive." "President Obama's election clearly didn't change those who appear to be sort of hard-wired folks with racial resentment," she said. Negative racial attitudes can manifest in policy, noted Alan Jenkins, an assistant solicitor general during the Clinton administration and now executive director of the Opportunity Agenda think tank. "That has very real circumstances in the way people are treated by police, the way kids are treated by teachers, the way home seekers are treated by landlords and real estate agents," Jenkins said. Hakeem Jeffries, a New York state assemblyman and candidate for a congressional seat being vacated by a fellow black Democrat, called it troubling that more progress on racial attitudes had not been made. Jeffries has fought a New York City police program of "stop and frisk" that has affected mostly blacks and Latinos but which supporters contend is not racially focused. "I do remain cautiously optimistic that the future of America bends toward the side of increased racial tolerance," Jeffries said. "We've come a long way, but clearly these results demonstrate there's a long way to go.""

7/19/2013 2:38:45 AM

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"When you hear people constantly starting sentences with "Well we elected Obama therefore" and followed with some racist bullshit, you start to get a feeling that people bring it up for a specific reason."

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Well+we+elected+Obama%22+site%3Athewolfweb.com

Oh look at that, it has never been said on TWW. Ever (aside from your comment and my subsequent quote now). I even gave you a freebie and took out "therefore". That's right - not only do people not say that here, they don't even say a substring.

Look people, I can't stand how badly liberals want people to be racist. I'm all about being realistic, but you're killing your cause.

7/19/2013 8:22:44 AM

Has the Michael Dunn/Jordan Davis case been posted/discussed ITT yet?


Same prosecuting team, but if they can't convict this guy they should think about resigning.

7/19/2013 8:41:03 AM

he didn't claim it was said on the wolf web, he just said people say it

you should also assume that even though he gave a direct quote, he was also talking about phrases that have the same point.

people have made that point both on this site and in general

7/19/2013 8:41:43 AM

That's far more generosity that it deserves. Search the web for the string "Well we elected Obama", and first things you see about about $5 / gallon gas. It is squeezing really hard to get a few drops of racism out of that fruit. There are Occupy links on the first page!

There is no reason to propose a correlation with starting a sentence starting with something like that an subsequent racist statements. There would be, if you're wearing special race glasses™. Seeing everything in terms of race warfare does not make you non-racist, it does the exact opposite.

7/19/2013 8:59:51 AM

Jesus you're reaching. He was paraphrasing.

7/19/2013 9:09:06 AM

Except it's God, so no one cares.

7/19/2013 9:41:49 AM

mrfrog is right, racism isn't an issue in America anymore (despite the article I posted that directly contradicts that which he conveniently completely ignored)

[Edited on July 19, 2013 at 3:39 PM. Reason : ]

7/19/2013 3:39:20 PM

God is suffering from as much white guilt as Chris Matthews

7/19/2013 3:44:55 PM

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"mrfrog is right, racism isn't an issue in America anymore"

*racism is not enough of an issue that we need people who make everything a question of race

7/19/2013 3:52:07 PM

Oh look Obama has something else to say.

7/19/2013 3:53:00 PM

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"*racism is not enough of an issue that we need people who make everything a question of race"

An unnarmed Black teenager is shot under mysterious circumstances while being in the "wrong" neighborhood.

This couldn't possibly be about race?

7/19/2013 4:12:15 PM

Sure, it could be, but why jump to that conclusion? Did Zimmerman ever say anything racist or indicate that he was acting based on racism?

7/19/2013 4:24:32 PM

Translation: This couldn't possibly be about something that isn't the one thing God "understands."

7/19/2013 4:42:43 PM

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"An unnarmed Black teenager is shot under mysterious circumstances while being in the "wrong" neighborhood. This couldn't possibly be about race?"

Replace "black" with "white" and suddenly every robbery gone wrong in the hood becomes a hate crime

7/19/2013 5:29:54 PM

Apparently no black people can look suspicious unless you want to be racist.

7/19/2013 6:33:21 PM

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" Did Zimmerman ever say anything racist or indicate that he was acting based on racism?"

"He's black."

7/19/2013 6:55:07 PM

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"Replace "black" with "white" and suddenly every robbery gone wrong in the hood becomes a hate crime"

lol, wut? I bet you have no idea how incredibly racist that statement was. But you blurted it out anyway, didn't ya?


Where to begin.....let's see....First you assume that every hood is filled with one particular race....and that all white people (who could only be visitors are immediately robbed when they go there?


Reminds me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5KeNIBj6Ao




I bet you immediately lock your door when you drive down S. Saunders Street.

[Edited on July 19, 2013 at 7:32 PM. Reason : ]

7/19/2013 7:24:57 PM

I bet his car immediately locks the door when he exceeds 15mph.

7/19/2013 9:38:00 PM