The erosion of rights just before our eyes. But it's OK. The "make government transparent" president and his "calm down and shut up" buddy have assured us that because we can't be 100% safe, we don't need all of our rights.

And Snowden doesn't need PR. He'll probably end up as one of the thousands of bodies floating down some Asian-continent river.

6/11/2013 1:38:44 PM

brilliant

6/11/2013 4:10:09 PM

I think Hong Kong needs a drone strike.

[Edited on June 16, 2013 at 10:10 AM. Reason : Also, this thread title should have been "targeted killinged".]

6/16/2013 10:07:54 AM

haha. I guess this can go in here:

Snowden doing a live-chat session Q&A on the guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/edward-snowden-nsa-files-whistleblower?guni=Network%20front:network-front%20main-2%20Special%20trail:Network%20front%20-%20special%20trailosition1

6/17/2013 12:03:29 PM

Prominent journalist critical of administration firebombed and run off the road in FBI chase after publishing this article:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LSY3wVuASg
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mhastings/why-democrats-love-to-spy-on-americans

This is the same journalist that single-handedly took down Gen. Stanley McChrystal. He told wikileaks the FBI were investigating him several days ago.

6/20/2013 9:38:19 AM

What in the world evidence for any of this

Quote :

"firebombed and run off the road in FBI chase"

is there? I really enjoyed reading Hastings' stuff and am saddened by his death and seriously would like to know where that's coming from. I watched the video.

6/20/2013 9:45:47 AM

There will never be any "evidence". But I would personally guess it's a Princess Dianna situation where he was trying to shake someone that was tailing him.

6/20/2013 9:47:52 AM

If you can make claims like "was firebombed and run off the road in FBI chase" without a shred of evidence you're essentially a conspiracy theorist.

6/20/2013 9:50:05 AM

Motive x
Means x
Opportunity x
Alibi ?

[Edited on June 20, 2013 at 9:55 AM. Reason : TWW really needs to support unicode]

6/20/2013 9:55:08 AM

we have no proof that smc didn't chase and firebomb him.

6/20/2013 10:06:26 AM

Hasting's death is kind of creepy, though, in all honesty.


I don't know dick about cars, but I still don't understand how his car caught on fire like that? I think I read that his engine was found 50 ft away from the wreck? It's pretty weird. It's certainly possible that Hastings was paranoid and drove recklessly, but the whole thing is kind of bizarre.

6/20/2013 12:45:21 PM

Until it's determined whether alcohol was involved, I'll suspend conjecture, especially of the kind that involves firebombing and the FBI.

6/20/2013 12:55:05 PM

Well yeah, obviously. But it still warrants investigation, I think.

6/20/2013 12:59:23 PM

moved to credibility thread...


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/20/fisa-court-nsa-without-warrant


[Edited on June 20, 2013 at 3:59 PM. Reason : ]

6/20/2013 3:52:19 PM

^^^ I'm not saying this was a gov't job, but I would say that if they did do it, the autopsy would be guaranteed to say that alcohol was involved. I'm not sayin, but I'm just sayin...

Having said that, smc is a freakin loon

6/22/2013 6:12:55 PM

They didn't plan to kill him quite like that, so no time to inject the body and not worth involving a local coroner. Things just got a little out of control, much like the guy the FBI killed in Florida last month. Might as well just keep driving and call it a job well done.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/30/ibragim-todashev-fbi-shot-unarmed-boston-bombing/2372119/

They'll do a better job when they kill Snowden, don't worry.

[Edited on June 22, 2013 at 6:57 PM. Reason : .]

6/22/2013 6:56:21 PM

But if the evil govt is gonna go to the extent of killing someone in a fiery explosion of a car crash, are they really gonna have any reservations about faking an autopsy report or threatening the coroner? Really?

6/22/2013 9:27:29 PM

Quote :

"They didn't plan to kill him quite like that, so no time to inject the body and not worth involving a local coroner."

Is this seriously how you think?

6/23/2013 8:42:53 AM

I think this was a surveillance chase that got out of hand.

With Snowden though, they'll break out the Polonium. Maybe hire some Russians to do him in. It gets even easier to kill him if he travels to Latin America.

[Edited on June 23, 2013 at 9:35 AM. Reason : .]

6/23/2013 9:27:06 AM

The U.S. Government has broken into Greenwald's house in Brazil.

Quote :

"When I was in Hong Kong, I spoke to my partner in Rio via Skype and told him I would send an electronic encrypted copy of the documents,” Greenwald said. “I did not end up doing it. Two days later his laptop was stolen from our house and nothing else was taken. Nothing like that has happened before.”"

Snowden has a dead man's switch archive of classified documents that will automatically be released upon his death.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/25/greenwald-snowden-s-files-are-out-there-if-anything-happens-to-him.html

[Edited on June 25, 2013 at 6:01 PM. Reason : .]

6/25/2013 5:50:47 PM

Bush advisor: Hastings crash ‘consistent with a car cyberattack’

http://rt.com/usa/michael-hastings-cyber-car-218/

6/25/2013 9:30:31 PM

Oh shut up with the conspiracies. The guy was an alcoholic who had crashed a car drunk before. Apparently he had been sober for years, but guess what: alcoholics relapse all the time, especially in stressful situations, which he evidently was in, thinking the FBI was on his tail.

The video shows him running a red light and speeding, with a witness corroborating it. At 4:30 in the morning. 37% of fatal car crashes at night involve alcohol impairment. If he isn't another statistic, I'll eat my shoe.

It's fucking ridiculous to look at all this and presume anything else.

6/25/2013 10:56:26 PM

Every time I drive my mercedes into a palm tree, it immediately bursts into flames and throws the transmission 100 ft away.

It's really irritating, and I'm thinking about buying american for my next automobile.

6/25/2013 11:17:05 PM

Interestingly, Edward Snowden cites his "moment of realization" as an incident he witnessed while working for the CIA in Geneva in which they got a banker drunk and convinced him to drive home. They then called the cops on him and used the criminal charges to pressure him into cooperating.

A drive-by-wire car like that is practically begging to be sabotaged.

6/25/2013 11:23:35 PM

It also could use a few more drink holders.

6/25/2013 11:29:25 PM

^^Combine Plan A with Plan B.

6/26/2013 12:09:00 AM

Quote :

"Every time I drive my mercedes into a palm tree, it immediately bursts into flames and throws the transmission 100 ft away."

Cars can and do burst into flames in severe crashes. Even Mercedes Benzs. There is nothing unusual about that at all given the severity of the impact that is evident in the video. Cars can and do eject their powertrains (engine/transmission combo) far from them in severe accidents. There is photographic evidence of this if you care to search the internet. Try googling "car crash engine" for a start. You will find many photos of engines/powertrains separated from their cars.

The powertrain is the heaviest part of the car aside from the body, weighing hundreds of pounds, and thus has a lot of inertia. In crashes at high enough speed, if the powertrain is not stopped by the object struck by the car, it can and will leave the car.

I would presume he hit the tree at an oblique angle allowing the powertrain to bypass the tree. This is supported by the final place of the car and just looking at the collision damage.

[Edited on June 26, 2013 at 2:17 AM. Reason : .]

6/26/2013 2:10:48 AM

and the CD player skips a lot

6/26/2013 2:46:21 AM

The CIA obviously got Hastings drunk, maybe by the use of a feeding tube, and forced him at gun-point to drive. While they were getting him drunk, technicians hacked his car to accelerate and steer erratically after several minutes. Job done.

6/26/2013 2:59:08 AM

This is why everything in my car is manual.

6/26/2013 8:27:47 AM

Is the CIA the most amateurish and inept organization in history or the smartest, most capable group of motherfuckers on the planet? I can never remember which.

6/26/2013 8:36:24 AM

It always amazes me that a society that absolutely detests government agencies such as the DMV, and people who consistently make the argument that "government can't do anything right!!!111" can somehow believe that that same bureaucracy can somehow operate a clandestine and militant organization like the CIA effectively.

6/26/2013 1:21:14 PM

well the CIA is mostly private contractors and spun off companies, so it works because free market!

6/26/2013 1:22:55 PM

Private companies that have a financial incentive to perpetuate broad based domestic surveillance?


What could possibly go wrong?


Capitalism, baby, yeah!

6/26/2013 1:31:38 PM

I knew this was the fault of free markets, I just wasn't sure how.

6/26/2013 1:34:19 PM

as a libertarian ideologue, shouldn't you be arguing that these markets are not in fact free if they rely heavily on government policy and cronyism?

Because if you argued that, I'd actually agree with you zomg.

6/26/2013 2:45:14 PM

Since Snowden has disappeared, the focus is back on Glenn Greenwald. The government will use his past jobs as a gay porn webmaster/sleazy lawyer and outstanding IRS debts to destroy him publicly. If he surrenders to U.S. authorities now they might even let him live.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/greenwald-reporter-broke-nsa-story-lawyer-sued-porn-biz-article-1.1383448

A guy like Greenwald sure has a lot of embarrassing things to commit suicide over.

[Edited on June 26, 2013 at 8:39 PM. Reason : .]

6/26/2013 8:37:22 PM

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-michael-hastings-meth-coroner-20130820,0,5038230.story

Had amphetamines and weed in his system. Conspiracy theorists satisfied?

8/21/2013 12:08:48 AM

Of course not. Either they added them to his system or falsified the records.

Facts do not matter.

8/21/2013 10:04:26 AM

Quote :

"Neither were considered a factor in the crash, according to toxicology reports."

8/21/2013 10:07:50 AM

Greenwald's a dead man walking.

8/22/2013 1:28:13 PM

How come no one has posted about his partner being held for 9 hours in the uk under terrorism laws?

8/22/2013 5:38:13 PM

Also, don't forget British government storming the Guardian London offices and ordering their hard drives destroyed. Yikes.

Quote :

"“You have powerful protections in America that we don’t,” Mr. Rusbridger, 59, said Tuesday in an interview after publishing an op-ed article in his paper describing some of the government’s actions. In conversations with him, the British government threatened the paper with “prior restraint,” he said, to stop it from publishing material, and then demanded that The Guardian return or destroy the classified material it was holding. “It was quite explicit: we had to destroy it or give it back to them,” Mr. Rusbridger said in an earlier interview with the BBC. “I explained that there were other copies, not within the U.K., so I couldn’t see the point of destroying one copy. But because we had other copies I was happy to destroy a copy in London.”"

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/21/world/europe/british-news-organization-has-advantages-in-secrets-battle-with-government.html

[Edited on August 23, 2013 at 12:38 PM. Reason : .]

8/23/2013 12:37:11 PM

The British government is now leaking Mid East surveillance details to major newspapers in the name of Snowden in an attempt to discredit him and Greenwald and build a case for their arrest/execution.

8/23/2013 12:39:25 PM