hey guys, I try to only post threads now when i actually am thinking or blogging or ranting about something

So, during a deposition, Paula Deen admits to using the word "nigger" at some point in the past... and she's suddenly got most of America hating her and calling her a terrible, evil racist. She loses TV shows and endorsements and all that. Then I heard last night that Al Sharpton had come out and asked people to forgive her, which made no sense at all to me or anyone I knew. He NEVER does that... well, until now - and I think I know why now. ha ha

Today, we have Trayvon Martin's girlfriend under oath stating that Trayvon referred to George Zimmerman as a "cracker" TWICE, once with the modifier "creepy." He went on during this phone call to tell this girl that the he hoped the "creepy cracker" didn't RAPE him... another reference to the popular black stereotype that white men tend to be sexual deviants/serial killers/etc.

Now, really... to be honest, I don't care very much what/who people call each other. I care even less who says what ABOUT someone to another friend... but in this case, I am baffled. The news has been talking about Deen's comments for days on end, but there was literally NO MENTION of the "cracker" thing outside of HLNtv.

Why is Paula Deen a huge racist while Trayvon Martin isn't?

THANKS

[Edited on June 26, 2013 at 10:40 PM. Reason : ]

6/26/2013 10:37:45 PM

we all know minorities can't be racist

6/26/2013 10:41:18 PM

http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=637576

nigger lover

6/26/2013 10:41:35 PM

I don't think Trayvon can lose any endorsements since he's dead

6/26/2013 10:42:48 PM

I appreciate the link, but I'm trying to branch out more into why Martin can use the exact same slur against a different race, yet no one even blinks an eye.

In fact, when asked about the woman's testimony, the anchor on TV said she thought it was "REAL."

Seriously. Real.

6/26/2013 10:44:07 PM

Dead people can't be racists.

6/26/2013 10:44:17 PM

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"I don't think Trayvon can lose any endorsements since he's dead"

are you kidding me? the prosecutor held up a bag of skittles AND a can of watermelon fruit punch for the camera today. It was clear who's sponsoring the live feed

6/26/2013 10:45:08 PM

And Paula deens problem wasn't that she's racist, it's that she has no business running a business if she's too dumb to know how to handle PR snafus. Her demise is the free market at work.

6/26/2013 10:45:40 PM

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"And Paula deens problem wasn't that she's racist, it's that she has no business running a business if she's too dumb to know how to handle PR snafus. Her demise is the free market at work."

it was my understanding that she did not own or make business decisions about the show she lost on food network, which she did not run. the businesses that she does run have been doing very well both before and after the whole deposition thing.

6/26/2013 10:47:59 PM

apples != oranges

6/26/2013 10:49:01 PM

^tl;dr

6/26/2013 10:49:43 PM

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"apples != oranges"

you're right, apples are not oranges. racial slurs are racial slurs, though. if that's what you were referring to. i don't know because you left it so vague.

[Edited on June 26, 2013 at 10:51 PM. Reason : ]

6/26/2013 10:50:51 PM

one is a dead kid with a single utterance on record

the other is an old lady with a long record of racist speech/actions, including many directed at/said in the presence of her employees



[Edited on June 26, 2013 at 10:54 PM. Reason : i realize how much you hate all things racist, but it's silly to try and equate these two cases]

6/26/2013 10:52:07 PM

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"we all know minorities can't be racist"

6/26/2013 10:53:51 PM

how can paula deen be a racist? she cooks fried chicken, which black people love

6/26/2013 10:55:48 PM

"nigger" is more offensive than "cracker"

Also George Zimmerman isn't a "cracker"

Also George Zimmerman is in fact creepy.

6/26/2013 10:57:13 PM

Eh, it's not about me and how I feel personally about racism. I'm neither a hare core racist or the type that would overhear someone near me making a slur without saying something.... and I totally feel like people should be able to say and do what they want in private.

I don't hold anything against Deen or Martin.... it's just really bothered me today to hear so many people act like deen is the worst person on earth, and then give Trayvon a pass when he made racial slurs as well... and it really gets me when I hear Deen haters go on to talk about how Zimmerman is a huge racist too. Obviously, racial comments really offend these folks, and I just don't get why they're willing to give him a pass.

I know he was just a kid and he passed away, but it doesn't change the fact that he did the same thing that Paula Deen did, and on twitter the other day the top 2 trends were paula deen racist recipes and justice4trayvon.... from the same people.

I just don't get it, I guess

6/26/2013 11:00:02 PM

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""nigger" is more offensive than "cracker""

i completely agree...however, is there even a derogatory term against honkeys thats as offensive as 'nigger' is to black people? that doesnt mean some terribly racist black people hate white people just as much as some terribly racist white people hate black people

6/26/2013 11:00:06 PM

Martin was then shot by the creepy cracker.

6/26/2013 11:00:36 PM

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""nigger" is more offensive than "cracker""

unless you're referring to "Cracker" (with the capital C), which is a nickname for "a native or resident of Florida or Georgia," both cracker and nigger are considered offensive racially charged words.

you can't say something like that wihout some proof.

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"Also George Zimmerman isn't a "cracker""

you're kind of right there, he's not white.... however, he was called "cracker" because he looked white - not to mention that the media has been calling him either "white" or "a white hispanic" since day one... so apparantly they don't know either

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"Also George Zimmerman is in fact creepy."

yeah, i always thought neighborhood watch dudes / dudes who failed out of police academy who patrol the hood / etc were all pretty creepy. but, once again, he used this "creepy" in context with a fear of being raped. That's NOT what I think of when I think of the neighborhood watch guy. Fact is, Trayvon was calling him a cracker and implying that as a white man, he was likely to be the type to rape a teenage boy.


PS - how about all that weight he put on? haha

6/26/2013 11:08:10 PM

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".however, is there even a derogatory term against honkeys thats as offensive as 'nigger' is to black people?"

see, that's kinda what i'm getting at. since i don't know of any white equivalent of nigger, when I hear cracker I take it just the same, because I know that cracker, honkey, caveman, and snowman are used with just as much hate as the word nigger is.

6/26/2013 11:10:03 PM

both words have the same intent, most white people just don't make a big deal about their word

6/26/2013 11:12:24 PM

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"since i don't know of any white equivalent of nigger"

that's because there isn't one

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"it's just really bothered me today to hear so many people act like deen is the worst person on earth, and then give Trayvon a pass when he made racial slurs as well"

apples and oranges, as I detailed above

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"it doesn't change the fact that he did the same thing that Paula Deen did"

really? is that a fact?

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" Fact is, Trayvon was calling him a cracker and implying that as a white man, he was likely to be the type to rape a teenage boy"

You're using the word fact a lot, like it carries some weight

6/26/2013 11:14:05 PM

To imply the two words are equally offensive is to ignore American historical context of the two groups in question.

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"really? is that a fact?"

Yes, you didn't hear about Trayvon wanting to set up a wedding party with slave themed wait-staff?

[Edited on June 26, 2013 at 11:21 PM. Reason : i accidentally a word]

6/26/2013 11:17:50 PM

Naw I must have missed that story

6/26/2013 11:18:47 PM

And there's more factors at play besides Paula being white and Trayvon being black.

For instance, Morgan Freeman calling some poor PA a cracker would get more press than if Ron Goldman called OJ a nigger before OJ stabbed him

6/26/2013 11:19:10 PM

we all know minorities can't be racist

6/26/2013 11:19:46 PM

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"that's because there isn't one"

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"apples and oranges, as I detailed above"

no, you need to explain what you mean by that, sir? why can 2 people both use racially offensive words and only one be a racist? are you saying that oranges can't be racist?

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"really? is that a fact?"

yeah, it was testified to under oath in Florida today.... just like Deen testified in a deposition.

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"You're using the word fact a lot, like it carries some weight"

Why would it not carry some weight? I could understand you saying that if I were just speaking with no sources, or saying this was something I heard (as I don't have a good history of honesty).... however, I'm ONLY talking about stuff that was said in court. Those are FACTS OF THE COURT.

Please help me understand if you honestly aren't trying to troll me.

6/26/2013 11:19:46 PM

Old white people from the south shouldn't be targets...racism? harassment? rape? IT IS A GENERATIONAL THING...OLD WHITE PEOPLE RAPE IS OKAY...IT WAS A DIFFERENT GENERATION!!!







Fuck Paula Deen,

[Edited on June 26, 2013 at 11:29 PM. Reason : Yup!]

[Edited on June 26, 2013 at 11:30 PM. Reason : yup!]

6/26/2013 11:20:09 PM

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"And there's more factors at play besides Paula being white and Trayvon being black. For instance, Morgan Freeman calling some poor PA a cracker would get more press than if Ron Goldman called OJ a nigger before OJ stabbed him"

I totally understand that.... BUT I'm not talking anything about the factors at play, or the amount of press coverage. I'm simply saying that they both are guilty of using words that are offensive to other races, but only one of them is being called a racist over and over.

And I don't know if your "Ron Goldman calls OJ a nigger" thing was just you making a silly example, but whatever Trayvon said, he didn't say it to Zimmerman. He just said it to a friend.

6/26/2013 11:23:30 PM

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"no, you need to explain what you mean by that, sir?"

I already explained once, and you failed to respond. I'm not going to do it again.

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"yeah, it was testified to under oath in Florida today"

It was testified that Trayvon Martin wanted to dress his minority employees in slave attire? I've like a link on that one.

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"Why would it not carry some weight?"

Just because you say FACT: X doesn't meant X is true. TWW NEWS ALERT!

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"but whatever Trayvon said, he didn't say it to Zimmerman. He just said it to a friend."

That would be yet another reason you can't equate those two cases

[Edited on June 26, 2013 at 11:27 PM. Reason : Wait who is trolling who here???]

6/26/2013 11:25:37 PM

By the way, from messages I've gotten and posts directed at me, it appears that I need to clear this up.... cause I love me some Black people, and I love Redneck Ladies as well..

Some eager young liberal types seem to think that I'm sticking up for Paula Deen here and trying to bash Trayvon Martin.

Couldn't be further from the truth. I'm just asking questions because of the 2 very different reactions I've seen to the news coming out about each of them.

6/26/2013 11:26:01 PM

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"yeah, it was testified to under oath in Florida today.... just like Deen testified in a deposition. "

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"Why would it not carry some weight? I could understand you saying that if I were just speaking with no sources, or saying this was something I heard (as I don't have a good history of honesty).... however, I'm ONLY talking about stuff that was said in court. Those are FACTS OF THE COURT. Please help me understand if you honestly aren't trying to troll me. "

Dude, you're editorializing the fuck out of your "facts"

Synapse was I believe pointing out that trayvon calling someone who was stalking him a creepy cracker to a friend is not "the same thing" as Paula Deen using "nigger" for years and attempting to throw racist themed parties.

And it is not a "fact" that Trayvon literally thought he was going to be raped because Zimmerman was white.

[Edited on June 26, 2013 at 11:28 PM. Reason : .]

6/26/2013 11:27:30 PM

It wasn't a perfect example. Morgan was the first non-threatening congenial black celebrity I thought of, and Ron Goldman was the first non-celebrity white guy killed by a black man that I thought of.

[Edited on June 26, 2013 at 11:28 PM. Reason : ^^^^]

6/26/2013 11:27:54 PM

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"Dude, you're editorializing the fuck out of your "facts" Synapse was I believe pointing out that trayvon calling someone who was stalking him a creepy cracker to a friend is not "the same thing" as Paula Deen using "nigger" for years and attempting to throw racist themed parties. And it is not a "fact" that Trayvon literally thought he was going to be raped because Zimmerman was white."

He must be fucking trolling us

And we bit. In my case, it's only because of his historical stand here against racist speech

6/26/2013 11:28:35 PM

6/26/2013 11:28:50 PM

Yeah pretty much

6/26/2013 11:29:49 PM

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"I already explained once, and you failed to respond. I'm not going to do it again."

i must have missed it, i'd never intentionally ignore/avoid a question. I'll look for it again, I guess... or you could re-post it or PM it to me

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"It was testified that Trayvon Martin wanted to dress his minority employees in slave attire? I've like a link on that one."

ha ha not that I know of... but if you go back and look, that wasn't something I claimed What was testified to in court today as FACT was that Trayvon also used racial slurs.

The slave thing is just silly, I've never heard that before.

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"Just because you say FACT: X doesn't meant X is true. TWW NEWS ALERT!"

dude, i don't know if this is personal for you or something... but, once again, the only "X" that i called fact was stuff that was sworn to either in court today or in a legal deposition by Deen. sorry you're so upset that you can't seem to get it.

6/26/2013 11:31:57 PM

6/26/2013 11:32:12 PM

6/26/2013 11:33:04 PM

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"but if you go back and look, that wasn't something I claimed"

You claimed Trayvon and Paula Deen "did the same thing."



this is fun

6/26/2013 11:33:37 PM

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"ha ha not that I know of... but if you go back and look, that wasn't something I claimed"

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"it doesn't change the fact that he did the same thing that Paula Deen did"

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"The slave thing is just silly, I've never heard that before."

So essentially, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

6/26/2013 11:33:55 PM

[Edited on June 26, 2013 at 11:35 PM. Reason : yadig?]

6/26/2013 11:34:05 PM

mane that dog is cool as a mug

6/26/2013 11:36:40 PM

that mug is gettin straight trippy up in that mug mane

6/26/2013 11:37:46 PM

Word is bond mane, that mug hunts bears yadig? No Fear, nahmean?

6/26/2013 11:37:55 PM

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"Synapse was I believe pointing out that trayvon calling someone who was stalking him a creepy cracker to a friend is not "the same thing" as Paula Deen using "nigger" for years and attempting to throw racist themed parties. And it is not a "fact" that Trayvon literally thought he was going to be raped because Zimmerman was white."

you're right. it's only a "fact" that the testimony stated that he told the girl he thought the "cracker" would rape him. i guess i did add that link to whites being thought of as rapists/serial killers/etc by lots of blacks is something that i kinda linked in there myself... and I can't call that FACT based on court testimony, but I can base it on the fact that I've had tons of black friends, and have heard both them and their friends on many occasions talk about "the white man's crimes"... but if you don't accept the rape thing, that's more than fair enough. i'll drop that as "evidence"

also, we've established that I'm basing what each of them said on court/depo transcripts. I never saw Deen admit to anything other than using the word nigger once directly while describing someone to her husband while she was pissed off... and i remember her saying she had used the word while repeating something she heard or something.

if you can provide evidence of her using nigger for years, and throwing racist parties, i'll gladly concede that to you. actually, i REALLY want to see it if it's true.

the fact is, people say shit about other races sometimes. some more than others... and it really bothered me that deen gets thrown under a bus while trayvon becomes a poster boy, and by the media's definition of racist re: deen, then they're both racists.

6/26/2013 11:39:19 PM

[He was very likely joking about fearing rape]

6/26/2013 11:40:58 PM

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"So essentially, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about."

please tell me why i don't know what i'm talking about? either here, or by PM.... or if you want, i can open AIM, gtalk, or skype. I am seriously wanting to hear what you have to say about this, because I am not trying to troll, and I'm certainly not lying.

Until you touch on specific things instead of quoting my answers to your last set of [illogical] questions and just calling me dumb, I can't take you seriously.... but I'd love to.

6/26/2013 11:41:38 PM

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"please tell me why i don't know what i'm talking about? either here, or by PM.... or if you want, i can open AIM, gtalk, or skype. I am seriously wanting to hear what you have to say about this, because I am not trying to troll, and I'm certainly not lying."

I provided your own words in that same post.

They shouldn't be that hard for you understand...you know, being that you said them.

Additionally others have made the same point as myself. This isn't rocket science.

[Edited on June 26, 2013 at 11:46 PM. Reason : hahaha people still use AIM? that amuses me.]

6/26/2013 11:44:57 PM