http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/889543128/equal-means-equal

Did you know that women are not guaranteed equal rights under the constitution? I didn't know that, and I find it to be quite shocking. Shouldn't that, umm, come well before equality and rights for gays?

The last time (1982) the US voted on the ERA (Equal Rights Amendment), it didn't pass. Obviously, many people don't want women to have equal rights, and don't mind pay and job discrimination against women.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Rights_Amendment:

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"The most prominent opponent of the ERA was Phyllis Schlafly, a conservative Republican lawyer. Leading the Stop ERA campaign, Schlafly defended traditional gender roles and would often heckle feminists by opening her speeches with quips like "I'd like to thank my husband for letting me be here tonight.""

What a SELF-HATING WOMAN

More details about her project here: http://eraeducationproject.com and I quote:

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"Women won the right to vote in 1920. The next step was supposed to be full equality for women under the Constitution. Almost a century later, that still has not happened. The United States Constitution still does not provide women with the same rights as men. Ratifying the ERA would secure a woman’s rights and provide her with legal equality in the United States of America. Not only has the United States not ratified the Equal Rights Amendment it is the only developed nation that has not ratified the Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW). Countries who ratify the CEDAW are required to enshrine gender equality into their domestic legislation, repeal all discriminatory provisions in their laws, and enact new provisions to guard against discrimination against women. The only countries in the United Nations who haven’t ratified CEDAW are: Iran, Palau, Somalia, Sudan, South Sudan, Tonga, and the United States."

The Kickstarter campaign is for funding the production and filming of an independent documentary--Equal Means Equal--on how women's lives are affected in the US due to all this.

See the trailer in the link. Kamala Lopez is the filmmaker behind this, and she is quite hilarious. And it seems like it would be a great and fun-to-watch documentary. The trailer is great, I loved it and watched it twice. Santorum and the 'dude' who talked about "legitimate rape" feature in the trailer!

I stumbled upon all this through this link:
http://www.policymic.com/articles/68479/men-and-women-do-not-have-equal-rights-in-the-united-states-this-is-proof

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"In fact, a little know fact about the United Sates is that equality between women and men isn't even guaranteed in our Constitution. Why does it matter? Check out the video below to understand why."

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"Want to see this movie come to life in theater near you? Donate to Equal Means Equal's kickstarter and share this story with your friends. Let's make the Equal Rights Amendment a reality and help make gender inequality history."

They have already met their goal, but if they get an additional $9,000, they can shoot an additional 4 days in the South, where most gender discrimination problems happen to be.

Minimum is just $1. If you give $15, you will get a free download of the movie, more gives you more stuff.

10/19/2013 3:16:05 AM

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"campain"

10/19/2013 2:31:56 PM

I just posted this on teh faceb00kz

10/19/2013 4:09:04 PM

Thanks, good to know there are still some good people in the world, even if a dwindling minority.

10/19/2013 4:37:14 PM

So, because we didn't vote for a stupid and meaningless amendment to the Constitution, it means we hate women and want them to be discriminated against...

10/20/2013 1:01:55 AM

I wonder how these people would feel about men having an equal say in the life of their unborn child...

10/20/2013 1:14:31 PM

Or if a man is drunk and a women has sex with him she could be charged with rape...

Equality is great until it isn't

10/20/2013 1:21:46 PM

^, ^^
Yes I agree with those. If equality is to be instituted, it should go both ways.

^^^
Well a lot of people do, and you can't deny that, including lots of conservative politicians. And I don't see why you would call it a meaningless and stupid amendment.

10/20/2013 4:39:35 PM

http://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/1oud93/as_a_formerly_homeless_male_who_got_treated_like/

10/20/2013 5:18:11 PM

[Edited on October 20, 2013 at 5:18 PM. Reason : whoops]

10/20/2013 5:18:11 PM

Just $3795 left to go for the stretch goal in 8 hours.

10/20/2013 6:11:23 PM

^ Yeah I am keeping an eye on it and hope they succeed... even fantasizing about making up whatever difference there is a couple of minutes before it closes

10/20/2013 6:14:34 PM

a lot of people also think that the institution of the ERA would lead to unisex bathrooms and inclusion of women in the draft

I don't have a problem with either of those

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"I wonder how these people would feel about men having an equal say in the life of their unborn child..."

this can't be truly equal until men can carry a child to term

10/20/2013 7:01:44 PM

let me rephrase. picking and choosing when men and women are treated equally because of a "biological difference" completely undermines the entire basis for the equality argument.


[Edited on October 20, 2013 at 8:46 PM. Reason : ]

10/20/2013 8:37:37 PM

The law ought not ameliorate the hardships caused by biologically based differences among people; this is why we don't have universal basic health insurance for the elderly or disabled and we expect children to go to work to support themselves.

wait that was 100 years ago

10/20/2013 10:14:30 PM

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"let me rephrase. picking and choosing when men and women are treated equally because of a "biological difference" completely undermines the entire basis for the equality argument. "

10/21/2013 11:06:55 AM

God damn it. As much as I despise most feminist agendas when this point gets brought up I want to join them.

Abortion is a bodily autonomy issue and your involvement in the implantation of an embryo in her body has zero bearing on it. The suggestion that a man should have equal say in whether a woman should have a medical procedure is completely insane.

However, giving men the option to opt out of the responsibility would be nice and a step toward equality here but you just are never going to reach parity when the issue involves the rights of a person to their own body. And fixing the justice system's massive bias against men while you're at it.

[Edited on October 21, 2013 at 11:42 AM. Reason : .]

10/21/2013 11:40:46 AM

The medical procedure most directly affects the fetus, not the mother. A father should have just as much say in the outcome of his child's medical well being as the mom.

10/21/2013 11:54:51 AM

No, he shouldn't

because if his say got equal play, then if he wanted the kid and she didn't, it means she's a babymaking slave for 9 months

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" The suggestion that a man should have equal say in whether a woman should have a medical procedure is completely insane. However, giving men the option to opt out of the responsibility would be nice and a step toward equality here but you just are never going to reach parity when the issue involves the rights of a person to their own body. And fixing the justice system's massive bias against men while you're at it."

Agreed: if they both agree that it's all her responsibility, then it should be
And really, if they both agree to have the kid and then give it away to him with no strings on her part, that would be fine with me too

but I doubt you'll find too many women who'd be willing to carry the child if she didn't want to keep it in the end

10/21/2013 12:06:30 PM

^"only equal until it's inconvenient for women"

10/21/2013 12:07:44 PM

Because going through an unwanted pregnancy and birth is "inconvenient."

10/21/2013 12:09:53 PM

it's also convenient that either decision a man makes doesn't inconvenience him for 9 months

10/21/2013 12:10:19 PM

It could inconvenience him for 18 years

10/21/2013 12:14:25 PM

She already agreed to that point.

10/21/2013 12:28:59 PM

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"but I doubt you'll find too many women who'd be willing to carry the child if she didn't want to keep it in the end"

literally millions of babies are given up for adoption every year.

10/21/2013 12:32:01 PM

Yes, thanks anti-abortion propaganda!

10/21/2013 12:37:44 PM

10/21/2013 1:12:42 PM

smath is paid by the government to spend time alone with your children

10/21/2013 2:04:44 PM

(i guess it's good that I don't like people killing them, huh?)

10/21/2013 2:21:43 PM

like there aren't any abused kids in your school that nobody can deal with and are destined for a shitty life, stemming from the fact that their parents didn't want them. I'm all for people making better choices before, during, and yes, even after sex to avoid creating miserable lives for children who didn't deserve it.


do you believe convicted rapists should be able to sue mothers of rape babies for visitation rights? our sweet government allows that and it's horrible. I find it equally repugnant that some men think women they impregnate should be forced to carry an embryo because these fine gents are interested in the outcome of their sperm donation. It's already simple to prevent your sperm becoming abortion fuel, and that's to wear a condom and pull out or abstain from sex until both parties agree that a conception is what they both want.

10/21/2013 2:38:56 PM

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"do you believe convicted rapists should be able to sue mothers of rape babies for visitation rights?"

Do we make them pay child support? I mean, I'm all for coming up with a system where she doesn't have to see the father but if they're paying to support them they should be able to be in the child's life in some manner. Also, most rapes are not stranger rapes, so I imagine there's a lot of cases where the father would be better (more income, better support structures, etc).

I don't think it's black and white and I think it should be handled on a case-by-case basis on what would be best for the child. If the mom is abusive and a drug-addict, I don't think the child should suffer solely based on the fact that he was 17, she was 14 and her dad pressed charges.

[Edited on October 21, 2013 at 3:56 PM. Reason : .]

10/21/2013 3:55:26 PM

this is good

http://www.policymic.com/articles/68993/this-shocking-ad-campaign-uses-google-to-show-the-absurd-sexists-problems-women-face

10/22/2013 11:45:19 AM

good except that like a lot of those types of lists, it has garbage filler to try to make an agenda look better

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"According to the most recent statistics from the U.S. Census, women earn just 77% of what men earn for the same amount of work."

misleading, at best, as this depends on a huge number of factors including the quality of work. no, i'm not saying "men always do better work than women". i'm calling this bullet out because it's nonsense by itself.

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"In 2008, the United Nations reported that one in every three women is likely "to be beaten, coerced into sex, or otherwise abused in her lifetime.""

i have no doubt the number is higher for women, but this mentions nothing about the difference with males

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"According to the World Health Organization, one woman dies in childbirth every minute of every day"

this is a horrible statistic, but is it "sexist"?

also LOL at using Google search suggestions as a representation of all people...

[Edited on October 22, 2013 at 12:30 PM. Reason : ]

10/22/2013 12:29:11 PM

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"this is a horrible statistic, but is it "sexist"?"

it is not about being sexist, rather, that not nearly enough is being done about it. and who is responsible for the finances and policies of countries? men.

10/22/2013 12:53:05 PM

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"misleading, at best, as this depends on a huge number of factors including the quality of work. no, i'm not saying "men always do better work than women". i'm calling this bullet out because it's nonsense by itself."

There are many ways to ding that statistic, and the most common one is that women do choose lower-paying professions more often than men (e.g. teaching)

But the one thing you decide to mention is a disparity in "quality of work"? What in the goddamn fuck do you mean by that?

10/22/2013 1:18:07 PM

^ i meant that it's an example of a factor that could make a difference in pay, and that's all. believe it or not, this is actually a possible scenario.

another example would be that a company values a male worker more than a female; in this example, sexism exists.

does that make you feel better?

^^

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"This Shocking Ad Campaign Uses Google to Show the Absurd Sexist Problems Women Face"

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"it is not about being sexist"

this is my point about these things.


[Edited on October 22, 2013 at 2:41 PM. Reason : ]

10/22/2013 2:39:31 PM

no, because you're admitting that sexism could be a part of that statistic (as I'm sure it is)

but moreover, that you think it's okay

[Edited on October 22, 2013 at 2:42 PM. Reason : because it is ridiculous that a woman wouldn't get paid the same for the same work]

10/22/2013 2:41:17 PM

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"but moreover, that you think it's okay"

if you can find anywhere that i've said it's okay, feel free to quote it. i never said sexism was okay, because it isn't. i have a problem with the presentation of that list, not what is supposed to be its end goal.

10/22/2013 2:42:50 PM

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"another example would be that a company values a male worker more than a female; in this example, sexism exists."

not if the male worker is more productive than the female worker.

10/22/2013 4:26:20 PM

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"God damn it. As much as I despise most feminist agendas when this point gets brought up I want to join them. Abortion is a bodily autonomy issue and your involvement in the implantation of an embryo in her body has zero bearing on it. The suggestion that a man should have equal say in whether a woman should have a medical procedure is completely insane. However, giving men the option to opt out of the responsibility would be nice and a step toward equality here but you just are never going to reach parity when the issue involves the rights of a person to their own body. And fixing the justice system's massive bias against men while you're at it."

I don't think there's a single person who believes that men (the presumable father) should have the decision to either force an abortion or force the woman to not abort. I thought it was all about the "financial abortion", which you characterized.

If anyone does hold the former (batshit insane) position, then please just say so and I will be proven wrong.

10/22/2013 4:56:48 PM

you can't think of a situation where a man wouldn't want a woman who got pregnant with his child to abort it?

10/22/2013 5:14:48 PM

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"I wonder how these people would feel about men having an equal say in the life of their unborn child..."

10/22/2013 5:25:39 PM

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"you can't think of a situation where a man wouldn't want a woman who got pregnant with his child to abort it?"

He can want with all his might. I'm saying, I don't think anyone actually believes he should be granted the legal authority to force that decision.

10/22/2013 5:33:56 PM

Why would anyone believe something that is morally sound not also be legally enforced? If they think that is the way it should be, why wouldn't they want the law to reflect it? I assume smath would be comfortable with the law forcing women to respect the father's wish (and he's not the first person I've encountered, try the men rights reddit sometime)

10/22/2013 5:49:05 PM

aww man it didn't reach the stretch goal

10/22/2013 7:06:02 PM

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"I assume smath would be comfortable with the law forcing women to respect the father's wish (and he's not the first person I've encountered, try the men rights reddit sometime)"

A lot of people are against all abortions, no matter what. I think there's a misrepresentation by the framing of the question. Asked in isolation if a woman's father/husband wanted to block her abortion, I think a lot of people would answer "yes", but that's because they're pro-life.

If you ask a pro-life person if a woman should have to get a man's permission to get an abortion, I think they might hear "another barrier to abortion? hells yeah." I think that's really misinterpreting the position. When a father or husband can force an abortion, then we're into completely different territory that just doesn't exist in the American political spectrum.

I'm not sure if it's meaningful that someone would endorse requiring father/husband approval for abortion if this same person would be in favor of literally any barrier to abortion. It's misogynistic only because you asked a misogynistic question. What if the same person would be in favor of the mother having the ability to block it? You gotta understand the mind of a single-issue voter.

10/22/2013 7:34:24 PM

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"I assume smath would be comfortable with the law forcing women to respect the father's wish (and he's not the first person I've encountered, try the men rights reddit sometime)"

I don't know if I'd go that far because of the implications, but it does illustrate my point that "equal" doesn't necessarily mean equal.

10/22/2013 8:05:03 PM

It's as equal as it can reasonably get. You're not jonesing for an equal chance of dying or getting infected during childbirth. You're not arguing for an equal amount of back pain, incontinence, nausea for 10 months or hemorrhoids and general recovery for months after. The biological truth of childbirth in our species demands "unequal" rights in this case. Start this conversation when the technology allows men to become pregnant and birth babies becomes readily available.

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"I'm not sure if it's meaningful that someone would endorse requiring father/husband approval for abortion if this same person would be in favor of literally any barrier to abortion. It's misogynistic only because you asked a misogynistic question. What if the same person would be in favor of the mother having the ability to block it? You gotta understand the mind of a single-issue voter."

Except the position "all abortions need to be stopped" is misogynistic. It's placing the rights of an embryo over a fully developed woman. Jesus christ I sound like a feminist.

[Edited on October 22, 2013 at 8:22 PM. Reason : .]

10/22/2013 8:20:31 PM

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"Abortion is a bodily autonomy issue"

That's not true at all, unless you are already begging the question, but I won't derail this thread

10/22/2013 11:27:35 PM

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" Jesus christ I sound like a feminist."

So you don't fundamentally believe that men and women should have equal rights?

Because that's all feminism is.

10/23/2013 8:25:24 AM