http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/15888-saint-mandela-not-so-fast


and a communist to boot.

12/5/2013 7:30:41 PM

lair.

12/5/2013 7:31:41 PM

Why didn't you post this under your main screen name?

12/5/2013 7:33:31 PM

Lair, lair, pants on fair.

12/5/2013 7:35:49 PM

Why didn't you post this when he was alive you fucking coward.

12/5/2013 7:44:22 PM

12/5/2013 7:55:36 PM

Wow, I really only skimmed the article (prob more of a look than it deserves), but it's pretty laughable. The author does his absolute best, but if you read it critically he really just comes across as desperate to make anything stick. He is pretty good at playing up the "scarey communist" meme, which I'm sure the average daily reader of New American nods their head slowly to as they wipe drool from their slack jaw, but I'm hoping most could see right through it. His argument is basically that Mandela was associated with the South African Communist Party, and communists have done bad things throughout history, therefore Mandela is guilty by association.


It just seems like "online journalism content" gets more and more like the posts/comments from the resident shitty troll on any given message board.

12/5/2013 8:40:51 PM

the internet is just the worst

12/5/2013 8:49:12 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/05/nelson-mandela-terrorist_n_4394392.html

Mandela was considered a terrorist by the United States government until 2008...when he wasn't any more.

12/5/2013 10:25:08 PM

There's a lot more to the overall-heroic Mandela than what seems to have been popularly accepted as his legacy, and I think that the whole story should be told, but who really gives a fuck even if he was a communist?

I'm not down with any flavor of collectivism, but I don't really care if other people live that way, as long as they don't try to impose it on me.

12/6/2013 12:36:00 AM

The end justifies the means?

http://thebackbencher.co.uk/3-things-you-didnt-want-to-know-about-nelson-mandela/

Quote :

"Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists. Tellingly, not only did Mandela refuse to renounce violence, Amnesty refused to take his case stating “[the] movement recorded that it could not give the name of ‘Prisoner of Conscience’ to anyone associated with violence, even though as in ‘conventional warfare’ a degree of restraint may be exercised.”"

Quote :

"Mandela’s government announced in November 1998 that it intended to purchase 28 BAE/SAAB JAS 39 Gripen fighter aircraft from Sweden at a cost of R10.875 billion, i.e. R388 million (about US$65 million) per plane. Clearly, the all-powerful air armadas of Botswana weighed heavily on the minds of South African leaders… Not content with jets, in 1999 a US$4.8 billion (R30 billion in 1999 rands) purchase of weaponry was finalised, which has been subject to allegations of corruption. The South African Department of Defence’s Strategic Defence Acquisition purchased a slew of shiny new weapons, including frigates, submarines, corvettes, light utility helicopters, fighter jet trainers and advanced light fighter aircraft."

Quote :

"Two of the ANC’s biggest donors, in the 1990s, were Colonel Muammar Gaddafi of Libya and President Suharto of Indonesia . Not only did Mandela refrain from criticising their lamentable human rights records but he interceded diplomatically on their behalf, and awarded them South Africa ‘s highest honour. Suharto was awarded a state visit, a 21-gun salute, and The Order of Good Hope (gold class)."

12/6/2013 10:14:25 AM

Goodnight, sweet prince...





NEWS STATION TURNS SOMBER MOMENT INTO EMBARRASSING BLOOPER WHILE TRYING TO HONOR NELSON MANDELA
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/06/news-station-turns-somber-moment-into-embarrassing-blooper-while-trying-to-honor-nelson-mandela/

12/6/2013 10:56:24 AM

Mendela as a politician is pretty stellar. He has some dirt but they all do.

But when you look at this guy in comparison to other African leaders that took over power during the transistion from Europe, this dude makes MLK look like a bum.

[Edited on December 6, 2013 at 6:53 PM. Reason : f]

12/6/2013 6:53:18 PM

Quote :

"Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists. Tellingly, not only did Mandela refuse to renounce violence, Amnesty refused to take his case stating “[the] movement recorded that it could not give the name of ‘Prisoner of Conscience’ to anyone associated with violence, even though as in ‘conventional warfare’ a degree of restraint may be exercised."

12/6/2013 7:27:10 PM

I always he knew he took part in bombings and stuff, but I had always assumed that they were against government targets. Due to the aura of peace and morality surrounding his persona, it never even occurred to me that he could have taken part in attacks against civilians.

Don't know how I feel about him now.

Confused.

12/6/2013 7:42:15 PM

all you need to do is to read my post, and then brief yourself on the history of rhodesia, and then you will feel fine.

[Edited on December 6, 2013 at 7:44 PM. Reason : d]

12/6/2013 7:43:51 PM

Look, Mandela may have been associated with violent protesters (or perhaps strongly associated depending on how you view certain facts, historical interpretations, etc) and at the time he was being convicted of treason never denied many violent facts. BUT, the vast majority of his group (ANC) protested non-violently at the beginning of its formation until:

Things basically came to a head in the 1960s after the AfriKaner government killed a bunch of protestors in the street at Sharpeville (69 people),

at which point "Spear of the Nation" was born, or, at least, Mandela joined their ranks (the alleged terrorist organization). They still mostly protested non-violently despite the threat of violence in the background, the same as many equality/liberation movements (See Ghandi and Bhagat Singh and , MLK and Black Panthers, etc).

If you had been protesting non-violently for a decade or more, and achieved nothing (against legitimate grievances - no one can deny that). Then your crew was gunned down by police in a major protest, would you likewise turn to violence? Why or why not?

Of course one needs to also judge him by his post-"Spear of the Nation" days. He was pretty non-violent, "can't we all be a rainbow nation" by the time he was released from prison (much older and wiser). Shit, some would interpret his speech on the day of his conviction in the same way, as just wanting democracy. Certainly not violence against whites.

God damn, I hope people don't nit pick my beliefs without context, after I'm dead and gone.





What is far more damning is how the US (Reagan and Co.) categorized a equality movement as terrorist and tried to de-legitimitize it and support the white only government, pretty disgusting.

12/6/2013 9:45:16 PM

Quote :

"Lair, lair, pants on fair. "

12/6/2013 9:47:35 PM

You can't bake a cake w/o breaking a few eggs (chit-chat)

12/6/2013 11:05:12 PM

Okay folks on the Right, Nelson Mandela was either a courageous warrior against an oppressive government and his struggle was akin to your fight against The Affordable Care Act (a la Sweater Vest Santorum) OR he was a Marxist, Communist, Socialist, Terrorist mentor to Barack Hussein Obama bad guy (a la the Tea Bagger Base of the Republican Party). You can't have it both ways.

Yes, this may border on a false dichotomy, but the reaction from the Right seems to be falling into one of those two categories.

12/7/2013 10:50:39 AM

I hear that Mother Theresa was a cunt in person.

12/7/2013 12:07:09 PM

I always suspected that.

12/7/2013 12:17:31 PM