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dtownral
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imagine being someone okay with a system that allows huge numbers of people to starve in the streets to bring greater comfort to the bourgeoisie and then describing minumum wage like that

12/11/2019 1:17:00 PM

utowncha
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imagine saying ^that when youre someone whose publicly bragged about preventing hungry people from getting food in raleigh.

[Edited on December 11, 2019 at 2:41 PM. Reason : dab, stoner, something]

12/11/2019 2:40:52 PM

dtownral
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dab

12/11/2019 2:52:07 PM

HCH
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you, a genius TWW scholar: "a system that allows huge numbers of people to starve in the streets to bring greater comfort to the bourgeoisie"

reality:







[Edited on December 11, 2019 at 4:27 PM. Reason : better image]

12/11/2019 4:06:55 PM

dtownral
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there's a lot of problems with that "argument", the easiest though is simply laughing that you thought a graph showing billions in poverty was a good response. haha.

12/11/2019 4:20:49 PM

HCH
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And yet, you are calling for a program that would lead to more people making a true minimum wage of $0.

12/11/2019 4:29:11 PM

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UBI is the ultimate solution.

12/11/2019 4:31:12 PM

daaave
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Anyone interested in why HCH's graph is a total bullshit fabrication should read this:

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/08/exposing-great-poverty-reductio-201481211590729809.html

12/11/2019 4:42:08 PM

LoneSnark
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The argument seems to boil down to "well if you just ignore China..." which is ridiculous, China exists. Live with it.

12/26/2019 2:31:43 PM

Dentaldamn
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Let’s say the minimum wage is removed and employers can pay people what they believe the work is worth. What happens the next day?

12/26/2019 3:14:21 PM

StTexan
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It would probably a normal day. Business owners would at least make sure they have sufficient help before doing anything that could jeopardize that.

12/26/2019 4:16:34 PM

LoneSnark
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^^ wages are sticky. Wage cuts are extremely bad for morale, and therefore employers are loath to do them. As such, in the short term, the effect will be nothing. In the long term, more than 96+% of workers already earned more than the minimum wage, so their wages will be unaffected. A tiny percentage of workers in jurisdictions that had a $15+ minimum wage will experience wage cuts eventually.

What will be a noticeable shift will be moving workers from hourly wage to salaried wages, which in current law has a minimum that is pegged to a multiple of a full-time minimum wage (is my understanding). Similarly, this would allow private charities to finally pay something to their volunteers that currently must settle for being paid nothing because the charity cannot reliably promise to pay the minimum hourly wage now and in the future.

What MIGHT have a noticeable effect is the restoration of low-wage apprenticeships in private business, as high-school students go to work as assistants at low wages in order to build skills, experience, and break into their desired labor market. This could rescue many in the labor market from poverty that lack the resources to attend college.

[Edited on December 27, 2019 at 12:25 AM. Reason : .,.]

12/27/2019 12:25:04 AM

Dentaldamn
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Quote :
"wages are sticky. Wage cuts are extremely bad for morale, and therefore employers are loath to do them"


Let’s say minimum wage was $10 an hour (and abolished) and I’m running a fast food restaurant. I would keep my current employees as $10 and as I hire new employees I would slowly move the pay down until I found a rate I stopped receiving calls for. Over time I’ve removed people and replaced them with people who will have less and spend less who would have made $10 and hour.

Not even going to address the charity bit bc it’s nonsense.

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"What MIGHT have a noticeable effect is the restoration of low-wage apprenticeships in private business, as high-school students go to work as assistants at low wages in order to build skills, experience, and break into their desired labor market. This could rescue many in the labor market from poverty that lack the resources to attend college."



This is called an internship and it already exists.
https://smallbusiness.findlaw.com/employment-law-and-human-resources/unpaid-internship-rules.html

I did several of them for little or no pay. This is not a viable employment option for people with expenses.


None of what you wrote seems like a real alternative to setting a minimum wage

[Edited on December 27, 2019 at 1:37 AM. Reason : ....]

12/27/2019 1:37:04 AM

LoneSnark
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And none of what you wrote seems to say anything in contradicting to what I wrote beyond to point out that apparently anyone seeking an internship is obviously just happy at $0/hour, anyone who can't manage that for an extended period of time obviously doesn't exist. Nonsense indeed

12/31/2019 3:02:16 AM

Dentaldamn
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The benefits of removing the minimum wage you listed are extremely limited in scope or already exist and utilized by countless people.

12/31/2019 10:33:20 AM

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