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TKE-Teg
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Niiiiiiiiice. I'll be there.

12/18/2014 12:07:43 PM

JT3bucky
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Where are tehy doing this now that the location changed?

thanks in advance

time helpful too

12/18/2014 4:07:02 PM

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8-11 Raleigh Grande Theater

4840 Grove Barton Road, Raleigh, NC 27613

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"I'll be there. What's the over/under on the number of fingerprints I'll be able to get on your paint?"


X+1

12/18/2014 4:58:51 PM

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What the hell. I'll show up. But the Alfa Romeo 4c Reveal at Hendrick Fiat in Cary is going on from 10Am-1Pm.

12/18/2014 11:02:18 PM

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ill be there

12/19/2014 8:12:53 AM

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Started snowing at 8, was cold and miserable, hopefully next month is better.

12/20/2014 11:06:42 AM

TKE-Teg
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It was raining, why did you go? haha.

Meanwhile I was at home shitting my brains out - thanks Blaze Pizza in Cary.

12/23/2014 1:25:53 PM

sumfoo1
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I love my jeep... but i almost got a goat and sometimes i wish i got the goat...

12/23/2014 1:30:14 PM

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Sadly the snow started after I parked, and used quick detailer to shine her up real nice. Weather.com said 0% rain until 2pm

Right to left in that picture. M6 GXP, LSA Blown/Cammed/Heads G8, Twin turbo/LS3 Goat, and me.

These guys also missed the memo.



Here kitty kitty kitty



A Vette in the snow...WHAT!!!!!


[Edited on December 23, 2014 at 2:00 PM. Reason : .]

12/23/2014 1:52:40 PM

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Grill 57 cruise in today 11 to 5 if anyone's interested.

https://www.facebook.com/Grill57

1/1/2015 7:49:00 AM

Novicane
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i might go

1/1/2015 9:33:35 AM

Novicane
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got a good pic of my vette and zR1 yesterday

1/2/2015 11:59:08 AM

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I was only there for 30 mins, massive headache

Any mods on the vette?

1/2/2015 12:18:33 PM

Novicane
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RPM did some work, cam, tune, exhaust. 412 to the rear.

1/2/2015 12:45:55 PM

sumfoo1
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so... uhh... when... welds & radials commin?



[Edited on January 2, 2015 at 2:00 PM. Reason : .]

1/2/2015 1:58:42 PM

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I've considered them but I don't want to spend real $$ on wheels that are going to sit in the garage 300+ days a year. My cheapo setup cost less than 2 welds would run me. GTO spares with M&H skinnies, and GTO wheels with Mickeys.

^^ Nice, do you track it?

[Edited on January 2, 2015 at 6:03 PM. Reason : .]

1/2/2015 6:02:18 PM

Novicane
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^ sits in the garage 360 days a year almost. No interest really. I've done the auto cross and drag racing thing before on my trans am. Not interested in tracking this car. Just a fun toy to drag out on nice days.

1/3/2015 8:08:44 AM

1in10^9
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norcal cars and coffee

http://millionairecarclub.com/video-bmw-m4-loses-control/

1/5/2015 12:07:04 PM

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came to post ^.

what's the over/under on the amount of damage the dude did?

1/5/2015 1:07:49 PM

1in10^9
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i dunno. been to few of those here in SF and seen that dude before. sad for the car. at least here cars and coffee are filled with rich dbags who have more money than brain. you can see by front wheels he had no clue what to do...

1/5/2015 1:53:36 PM

sumfoo1
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http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1075458&page=3

More info on the crash... including the owner's account.

1/5/2015 2:16:25 PM

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Quote :
"Hey guys,

It was my car that was involved and a mistake was made. There were no intentions of doing anything out of the norm. In fact, you'll notice in the video that the car was going very slowly in front of the crowd. This was intentional because we've all watched too many YouTube videos of this sort of thing happening and wanted to make sure that nobody would get hurt should anything unexpected happen. Once the car was past the crowd the accelerator was pushed in a straight-line as I have done many times in the past when the rear snapped violently. The car was going ~30mph at that time. The car has been driven for 4700 miles and has been driven with DSC off many times including in the rain and never has the car snapped so violently just from accelerating. I chalk it up to several factors including cold temps (low 40s), cold tires and incorrect psi (more on that later) and of course driver error. More judicious use of the throttle should have been exercised. MDM mode was not used because MDM is too quick to intervene and cuts power prematurely (or maybe not).

Usually when the rear breaks loose, it does so progressively and steering correction will suffice. However, you can see in the video that the front tires are turned slightly to the right indicating opposite lock was put on the steering trying to prevent the car from doing a complete 180 however there wasn't enough real estate to counter how violently it snapped - though admittedty the gravity of the snap required immediate full oppo lock which was misread. I'm not sure why some are saying that no steering input was made because it was - one could argue it should have been sooner but again usually a little wiggle just takes small steering input and power through not a full-on immediate opposite lock as was needed in such a big snap - to me it actually seemed like it was happening in slow-mo although the vid makes it seem like it happened so fast. As the car started to correct it became apparent that there was no way out except over the curb which is where I put on the brakes and tried to straightline the curb as much as possible to avoid hitting the curb at an angle which would cause a lot of damage and potentiality flip/roll the car.

I've driven many high hp rwd cars including vipers, porsches, corvettes, and formula cars and I've graduated from formula racing schools and have years of training in advanced car control and plenty of track time. Heck I remember day one of Formula school, half of the first day was spent on the skid pad learning how to keep a car from spinning if you lose traction. Maybe I need a refresher since it's been awhile and I've been driving AWD Audis for the past few years. Some of those other RWD cars I mentioned will snap fiercely and you have to be on extremely high alert, however my experience with the M4 has been that it tends to not snap so viciously in a straight line - but this time I was wrong. I would caution anyone thinking that it can't happen to them (count me as previously one of those) that anyone can make a mistake. I'm thankful that nobody was injured from such a mistake. Surprisingly, the car seems to be driving just fine with the only damage being the right plastic guard underneath the bumper which can be seen in the video. Surprising I know.

I mentioned earlier that I had incorrect PSI - let me explain. My PSI was low, so I inflated it a bit with a pump with an analog tire guage which of course is very imprecise compared to a digital gauge. I noticed that my right tire pressure was 1.5psi off of my left when viewing the PSI from the BMW onboard digital gauge (you can only do this while driving). However, as my car had been pulling to the right from day 1 of delivery (there's a big thread of many complaining about that on these forums). Miraculously, the car drifted to the right to a lesser extent with the right tire PSI being slightly higher than the left and so I was playing around with the idea of keeping it that way for a short time- however I knew that I needed to put the PSI equally across both tires but I just failed to do that before going to the meet. I have no idea if unequal PSI left to right contributed to the right rear spinning so differently than the left.

Anyways, I know I'll be ridiculed and called an idiot (and rightfully so) but I think many of you also know that I didn't do anything intentionally out of the ordinary or unsafe. I'm not sure I was even trying to show off as acceleration happened when the car was past the crowd and it's not like a powerslide or burnout or anything of that sort occurred.

I also think the M4 is a fine car and I have no complaints about the amount of power or torque or tire width or grip or anything. In fact, the whole reason I got the M4 is because it's not AWD and I like the rear moving around a bit. Mistakes happen and I've learned a lesson - and from now on will keep DSC on when driving around because there's too much at stake to make a mistake while driving - no matter how good or bad of a driver you are. Thanks for hearing me out. It certainly has been a humbling experience."

1/5/2015 3:01:13 PM

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Couldn't happen to a better car.



I love that paint.



Its better with music, how do you fail this badly with both hands on the wheel....

[Edited on January 5, 2015 at 3:35 PM. Reason : .]

1/5/2015 3:25:56 PM

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You know, the snap.

1/5/2015 4:22:06 PM

sumfoo1
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seriously from one of the most well balanced cars in the world... he can't even do a burnout right...

1/5/2015 4:40:25 PM

Skack
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I feel like I just watched some poor guy's man card get totaled.
At least the car is fine.

1/5/2015 5:37:57 PM

tchenku
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lol @ blaming weather, tires, and tire pressures

he should have just kept his mouth shut

[Edited on January 5, 2015 at 6:02 PM. Reason : did he clutch that in?? he has like 500hp on tap, does he not?? ]

1/5/2015 6:00:55 PM

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Its rated at 425, dyno's 380 or so to the wheels. Seeing that too much power wasn't on his list of excuses I'll assume its stock.

1/5/2015 8:38:27 PM

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I just love how much air he got on that sweet jump...

1/5/2015 9:56:51 PM

TKE-Teg
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Just seems like a bunch of weak excuses. However I will say that some cars are very sensitive to unequal tire pressures. The S2000 is known to be one of these cars.

Though in this case I'd chalk it up to very cold tires (aka bricks) and a slight crown in the road.

1/6/2015 9:02:23 AM

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http://jalopnik.com/how-not-to-explain-why-you-crashed-your-car-via-this-b-1677523538

[Edited on January 6, 2015 at 10:48 AM. Reason : ^ really? no operator error???]

[Edited on January 6, 2015 at 11:03 AM. Reason : ^ it's like you're doubling down on his explanation with that crown talk]

1/6/2015 10:47:17 AM

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Honestly I'd of said I snapped a axle.

1/6/2015 10:58:01 AM

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i can believe that the crown of the road is all it takes to get the back to step out if you have no grip, but it's still easily recoverable

... or entirely avoidable by not driving like an asshole

this guy did everything wrong, he panicked, lifted, braked and barely counter-steered. those things are the natural panic reaction, it's what every driver does until they practice and teach themselves how to respond. it's very obvious that the guy was driving beyond his skill level.

1/6/2015 11:50:00 AM

sumfoo1
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^ exactly.

The best thing anyone can do for their driving is go to an empty lot in shitty weather and drive like an asshole to train yourself not to panic and learn how to recover.

1/6/2015 12:01:30 PM

TKE-Teg
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Of course I'm blaming operator error. Did you ignore my first sentence "seems like a bunch of weak excuses"?

1/6/2015 12:15:03 PM

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I took joy in doing so.

1/6/2015 12:18:27 PM

glassssssss
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more steering angle sooner

[Edited on January 6, 2015 at 12:26 PM. Reason : looks like he held the wheel straight to me]

1/6/2015 12:25:28 PM

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He's obviously had 0 experience launching a car with the nannies off. This is why you go somewhere deserted and get used to your car.

1/6/2015 12:58:46 PM

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the guy even waited until he was perfectly straight before launching, i can only imagine how badly it would have ended if he got on the power while turning like people usually do it leaving these things

1/6/2015 1:05:29 PM

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I'm afraid I will do this someday

1/6/2015 2:09:58 PM

TKE-Teg
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The Mustang GT crash at C&C Charlotte still beats this blunder by a mile

1/6/2015 4:36:00 PM

sumfoo1
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^^ your viper is different... that car was designed to kill...

"be a man or die"

1/6/2015 6:15:01 PM

tchenku
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again

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"right tire pressure was 1.5psi off of my left"


lolol

1/6/2015 6:36:40 PM

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don't forget about The Snap!

1/6/2015 7:53:06 PM

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so was the point of posting that bmw video to highlight that this is the typical attendee of 'cars and coffee' type events?

im not referring to anyone in the garage specifically.

1/7/2015 2:41:06 PM

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unlike auto g8 n00b i post and criticize all stupidities, including those done by BMW drivers. god knows ive been the biggest bmw critic on models that disappoint, but i will also defend the brand when i feel people are misinformed. i have no qualms to admit that.

1/7/2015 10:57:58 PM

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Quote :
"so was the point of posting that bmw video to highlight that this is the typical attendee of 'cars and coffee' type events?"


No, that "question" is bullshit. There are outliers everywhere. Lettuce make fun of them.

1/7/2015 11:37:53 PM

sumfoo1
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Quote :
"so was the point of posting that bmw video to highlight that this is the typical attendee of 'cars and coffee' type events?

im not referring to anyone in the garage specifically."


I too, am upset blackjesus's car is faster than any of mine.

1/8/2015 7:11:56 AM

y0willy0
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what?

1/8/2015 9:39:56 AM

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"I too, am upset blackjesus's car is faster than any of mine."


How did I miss this

So who's coming out this Saturday?

1/15/2015 11:42:42 AM

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