This may sound silly or may even sound obvious depending on what you believe but i've been arguing with a girl for a while about this topic.

Do you consider catholics to be christian?
Do you consider mormons to be christian?

What is your religious background?

4/18/2014 8:39:19 PM

What is a catholics?

4/18/2014 8:40:52 PM

no
no

conscientious objector

4/18/2014 8:41:26 PM

Duh, of course yes
Not sure, but loosely classified as one of the Christian sects in my brain

Raised Muslim, currently nothing

4/18/2014 8:42:57 PM

no

4/18/2014 8:47:51 PM

catholics, yes of course

mormons...i mean, maybe by the loosest of definitions. they're more of a cousin in my mind...or maybe judaism and islam are the cousins, and mormonism is like a sibling or step-sibling.


raised Christian; currently nothing

[Edited on April 18, 2014 at 8:51 PM. Reason : ]

4/18/2014 8:50:59 PM

yes
no

Christian (non-Catholic...non-churchgoing, in fact)

4/18/2014 8:53:24 PM

I never understood why catholics pray to so many different "saints"

Those moos will make a martyr out of anyone

4/18/2014 8:53:33 PM

yes
no

you must not know what christian means, and this girl doesn't sound too bright either.

4/18/2014 8:57:39 PM

I'm always shocked when I hear people say Catholics aren't Christian, its the damn original Christian church (along with Eastern Orthodox)

Mormons, eh, I guess. Close enough


Baptized Lutheran, currently atheist

4/18/2014 8:58:23 PM

^^^
pagan relics, B.

(I ain't badmouthing Catholicism, though; if I were going to realign myself with any particular Church, I'd probably go Catholic before I returned to Southern Baptism.)

I hear where the chick is coming from...for some people, a "Christian" specifically means a person who's invited Jesus Christ into his/her heart and thereby been "saved." To Southern Baptists in particular, Christians are precisely the people who will to go heaven...everyone else will go to hell.

So by this definition, most Catholics aren't Christians. (Not saying i agree, of course.)


[Edited on April 18, 2014 at 9:01 PM. Reason : erge]

4/18/2014 8:59:35 PM

^ guy nailed to a cross, B

4/18/2014 9:00:39 PM

^^^Exactly! The Catholic church was the original Christian faith. Martin Luther is the one who planted the seed that formed all of the other Christian faiths later.

[Edited on April 18, 2014 at 9:02 PM. Reason : .]

4/18/2014 9:01:46 PM

Yes
Somewhat

Raised Christian/Lutheran/Baptist (not sure I know the difference)
I have my own ideas/beliefs that seem to not directly follow the rules within any one doctrine

4/18/2014 9:03:51 PM

yeah she got really offended when i said i understood why a "protestant would think that" because of her "no, no, christian" responses.

[Edited on April 18, 2014 at 9:08 PM. Reason : said she was a christian but not a protestant]

4/18/2014 9:07:09 PM

Christians pray to Jesus Christ, not some amalgamation of saints.

4/18/2014 9:16:27 PM

i guess i need some education on mormonism, because i don't see how they aren't obviously christians

4/18/2014 9:50:23 PM

Catholic, yes.
Mormon, somewhat (inclined toward yes, but I have mixed feelings).

I am Catholic.

re: prayer to Saints. I think many fail to distinguish prayer from worship.

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/praying-to-the-saints

http://catholicism.about.com/od/thesaints/f/Pray_to_Saints.htm

4/18/2014 9:52:56 PM

of course Mormons are Christians. Sure, they have some quirks, but they're some of the most Bible-lovin folks I know

4/18/2014 9:53:53 PM

catholics fail the christian test on multiple levels: Pope, confession, indulgences, saints, and purgatory to name a few

4/18/2014 9:57:35 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3BqLZ8UoZk

4/18/2014 9:57:37 PM

this thread makes my head hurt...

both are irrefutably Christian...

Jesus and the Trinity is key...


if you believe in these things then you are a Christian...


I'm Christian > Protestant > Methodist

4/18/2014 10:21:38 PM

^^^ how do you fail the religion that started your religion? It's like a fat chick getting skinny and then denying early fat pictures of herself. Hey, that's still you.

[Edited on April 18, 2014 at 10:23 PM. Reason : .]

4/18/2014 10:22:08 PM

^^ Mormons are non-trinitarians

4/18/2014 10:43:21 PM

Who Fucking cares

4/18/2014 10:45:18 PM

^^ meaning what? Mormons don't believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?

[Edited on April 18, 2014 at 10:46 PM. Reason : m]

4/18/2014 10:46:04 PM

^^^from the official LDS website

Quote :

" What Are the Core Beliefs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? The founder of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Joseph Smith, wrote, “The fundamental principles of our religion are … concerning Jesus Christ that He died was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it.” Heavenly Father and His Son, Jesus Christ, are two separate beings but along with the Holy Ghost (Spirit) are one in will, purpose and love."

also from the website...

Quote :

"Do Mormons believe in the Trinity? Mormons most commonly use the term “Godhead” to refer to the Trinity. The first article of faith for the Latter-day Saints reads: “We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.” Latter-day Saints believe God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are one in will and purpose but are not literally the same being or substance, as conceptions of the Holy Trinity commonly imply."

of all the crazy stuff Mormon's believe, I would consider the alternate view of the Trinity pretty minor in determining whether they are Christian

[Edited on April 18, 2014 at 10:55 PM. Reason : asdf]

4/18/2014 10:49:48 PM

lol religion

4/18/2014 10:51:34 PM

I consider myself the local expert on Mormonism. Please feel free to ask

4/18/2014 10:53:28 PM

Christianity existed long before the Roman Catholic Church
Some of the original Christian groups would probably be appalled at modern Christianity


Gnostic Christians ftw

4/18/2014 10:53:57 PM

I was raised Methodist and married a Catholic in the Catholic church, although I did not join the Catholic church. I was shocked the first time I told a neighbor (a Charismatic Christian neighbor at that) that my wife and I are Catholic and he said "Catholic is good, that's almost Christian". I had never really considered before then that people considered Catholics to be non-Christian. I had also never considered before talking to my wife's family that it was a big deal to (some) Catholics when JFK was elected, i.e. that Catholics feel as though they are a persecuted minority sometimes.

Overall there are certain things with Catholicism that are far more similar to Protestantism than I thought they would be, and things that are way more different than I thought they would be. However I'd definitely say I consider Catholics to be under the "Christian" umbrella, and for that matter Mormons as well.

[Edited on April 18, 2014 at 11:26 PM. Reason : .]

4/18/2014 11:25:24 PM

Catholics: Yes.

Mormons: Sure. Who cares. Why not.


I dig the stories I've heard about Jesus so I'm Christian, too.

Some of y'all gonna be so pissed when you see me rollin in Heaven.

4/18/2014 11:25:26 PM

Quote :

"but i've been arguing with a girl for a while about this topic."

Lol really?

4/18/2014 11:28:38 PM

No is the fun answer.

4/19/2014 7:18:49 AM

early followers of Jesus were not practicing Catholicism in Acts.

4/19/2014 9:11:43 AM

Yes
Yes

Raised Methodist with a strong Episcopalian background on my dad's side, but I've been non practicing for years.

Quote :

"Some of y'all gonna be so pissed when you see me rollin in Heaven."

LOL; you're swell

4/19/2014 10:40:07 AM

some catholics are not christian
mormons are not christian

organized religion should be abolished

4/19/2014 10:47:40 AM

they're both better than southern baptists.

4/19/2014 12:22:18 PM

being raised a southern baptist, most would say that neither are "real" christians. of course, i think they reject most other denominations as non-christians, or at least misguided christians. i think they're all just fairy tales, but some beliefs and dogmata are sillier than others.

4/19/2014 1:26:00 PM

Catholics are

Mormons aren't

basically Judaism:Christianity::Christianity:Mormonism

4/19/2014 2:05:51 PM

Christianity is based in Christ, right?

So if a sect believes that Jesus is the son of God and he died on the cross for our sins, they're Christian.

Other sects always trying to make things more difficult when it's really that simple.

4/19/2014 2:54:52 PM

Yes.

Raised by a Church of Christ (not LDS) dad and catholic mom, but I was never baptized (due to their disagreement) and I'm mostly non-practicing, but I try to be a good person

4/19/2014 3:15:27 PM

^^Christianity doesn't include the belief that Jesus appeared in the Americas

or the adoption of a third Testament

4/19/2014 3:28:26 PM

you're right - christianity should only include those who believe in two testaments of made up shit

Noah lived to 900 years old and Eve was literally grown out of a rib

BUT JESUS IN AMERICA IS A BRIDGE TOO FUCKING FAR

4/19/2014 3:43:14 PM

Quote :

"Noah lived to 900 years old and Eve was literally grown out of a rib BUT JESUS IN AMERICA IS A BRIDGE TOO FUCKING FAR"

God is all powerful and can do what He wishes. 900 or 9 million, both equally easy. From a rib, or from a rock, both equally easy.

God could have brought Jesus in America, but he didn't, not according to the 2 testaments, so it did not happen. It has nothing to do with how easy or difficult that is.

(This is the answer any Christian would give)

4/19/2014 3:46:49 PM

To put it another way, by SuperDude's logic, a Christian or a Muslim is a type of Jew, because they all worship the same god (known to the Hebrews as Yahweh, to the Anglophones as "the Lord" or God, to speakers of Arabic, even non-Muslims, as Allah, etc.) and believe many of the same myths.

4/19/2014 4:47:10 PM

yes, yes



I was raised by a Methodist mother and Buddhist father, became atheist for a decade in there, ended up Eastern Orthodox Christian.

[Edited on April 19, 2014 at 4:58 PM. Reason : ]

4/19/2014 4:55:47 PM

^^Christians, Muslims, and Jews could be considered "sects" of Abrahamic religion. Those three branch out from Abraham, not "Jew."

4/19/2014 7:03:41 PM

"christian test" ahahahhahahahahahaha yeah ok.

4/19/2014 9:03:16 PM

Yes
Yes

Agnostic (raised Baptist)

[Edited on April 19, 2014 at 9:44 PM. Reason : ,]

4/19/2014 9:39:24 PM