fun times watching the liberals in here tripping over themselves to bash our country.

12/17/2014 9:42:56 AM

lol

12/17/2014 9:50:32 AM

I would argue it does more harm to the country to allow/encourage this.

It makes us look worse and it only encourages more hatred and bloodlust to our enemies along with, you know, not being proven to even work..

Really though, we need to get back to more important things... like the war on Christmas.

[Edited on December 17, 2014 at 11:10 AM. Reason : X]

12/17/2014 11:09:38 AM

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"fun times watching the liberals conservatives in here tripping over themselves to bash our country defend torture."

ps: simply saying "torture is awful and never produces reliable intelligence so we should never do it" does not equal "bashing our country"

12/17/2014 12:50:51 PM

Torture, literally by definition, is a heinous act.

It's why Bush tried to rebrand it "enhanced interrogation", because to call it torture means they know it was excessive and born of viciousness and brutality.

As a civilized country, we're supposed to rise above emotion and act with justness and fairness. If you think we should indulge our fear and anger and hatred to inflict unnecessary suffering and pain, you are literally no better than Al-Qaeda or the Taliban or any suicide bomber.

12/17/2014 12:59:36 PM

^^why do you hate freedom, hippie?

12/17/2014 1:19:12 PM

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"fun times watching the liberals in here tripping over themselves to bash our country"

I'd like to know who you think is bashing our country ITT, and how. Are you saying that we shouldn't criticize the CIA for torturing people?

12/17/2014 3:45:54 PM

There's really nothing I can say to sway the bleeding hearts in here. Thankfully you're not the ones in charge of our intelligence operations.

12/17/2014 4:34:19 PM

jeez, so you are supporting torture. and you actually think it produces credible intelligence.

[Edited on December 17, 2014 at 4:37 PM. Reason : ]

12/17/2014 4:36:37 PM

No rather I'm saying I leave it to the experts.

12/18/2014 9:45:52 AM

"experts"

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" The report goes on to say that neither Mitchell nor Jessen had any experience as an interrogator, nor did either have specialized knowledge of al Qaeda, a background in counterterrorism, or any relevant cultural or linguistic expertise."

is it really that difficult to be up to date enough on a subject before claiming to know what you're talking about?

12/18/2014 9:49:51 AM

^^

haha, you ignore the experts when it comes to climate change, but now claim you want to listen to "the experts" on torture?

You realize most "experts" are actually against torture?

Even if you assume that torture did work, which no evidence exists suggest it does (it's just gratuitous hate and malice-- similar to cutting off a head or suicide bombing a school), that still doesn't justify it, anymore than stopping terrorism should justify mass spying, warrantless searches, etc..

12/18/2014 10:21:55 AM

the "experts" who are against torture have an agenda and are adjusting data
-TKE-Teg

12/18/2014 10:46:13 AM

Most of the experts defending torture on TV are the same folks CONVINCED that Iraq was manufacturing WMDs

12/18/2014 11:13:23 AM

who are the torture "experts" anyways?

12/18/2014 12:14:09 PM

^^^^I haven't read the whole report which I have no problem admitting. And I was pretty clear that I was referring to intelligence experts, of which interrogation is part.

But dragging the beaten horse of AGW into this? lol. Good one. I'll still be laughing 18 years from now, when the earth still hasn't increased in temp, and after all governments have abandoned any attempt to reduce their CO2 emissions.

[Edited on December 18, 2014 at 12:53 PM. Reason : f]

12/18/2014 12:52:44 PM

guys, it's pretty cold here today so it's okay to feed people in their asshole

12/18/2014 1:29:19 PM

dragging your position on agw into this is pretty relevant. you disagree with the vast, vast, vast majority of experts (scientists) on that issue, but defer to the "experts" here? are you certrain you'll still be laughing in 18 years? you sound very confident about something that you don't have the intelligence to know (and I don't mean that you're stupid, i mean that i'm confident you haven't read all the information that's available, done the research, etc. to really have an informed opinion)

[Edited on December 18, 2014 at 2:29 PM. Reason : ]

12/18/2014 2:28:43 PM

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"No rather I'm saying I leave it to the experts"

Weird how conservatives will slam every government organization except for the military.

USPS, EPA, Medicare - all examples of government ineptitude

but the CIA shoving hummus up someone's ass? "I'll leave this one up to the experts"

[Edited on December 18, 2014 at 6:03 PM. Reason : just saw moron made a similar point]

12/18/2014 6:00:55 PM

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"I haven't read the whole report which I have no problem admitting. And I was pretty clear that I was referring to intelligence experts, of which interrogation is part."

do some reading, man

your intelligence "experts" were the problem. an $80 million problem.

12/18/2014 6:26:30 PM

^ from what i read, it was 180 mil.

12/19/2014 12:00:48 AM

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"It's why Bush tried to rebrand it "enhanced interrogation", because to call it torture means they know it was excessive and born of viciousness and brutality. "

A big part of it is the legal implication of it being "torture". So, uhh, it's not torture, guys.

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"No rather I'm saying I leave it to the experts."

Pat, I don't think you can play that card on torture when you so flagrantly claim it to be invalid on climate change.

...and while my position on this issue, like almost all others, is "it depends", I think that we could, for practical purposes, put me in the "opposed" camp. I really don't think I'm a "bleeding heart" liberal who likes to bash America and doesn't support our intelligence operations.

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"Weird how conservatives will slam every government organization except for the military."

Yep, that's a conversation I've had with my dad a few times. I think he mostly "gets it" now. The military is just as fucked up, dysfunctional, and inefficient as every other government bureaucracy. That its role is much more within the proper domain of the federal government to begin with, and private and/or decentralized alternatives aren't really viable, are significant distinctions...but don't think for a second that the military isn't a clusterfuck. Hell, we invented the term.

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"The report goes on to say that neither Mitchell nor Jessen had any experience as an interrogator, nor did either have specialized knowledge of al Qaeda, a background in counterterrorism, or any relevant cultural or linguistic expertise."

I think maybe I addressed this in another thread, but I don't think those dudes were hired to be interrogators, or for specialized knowledge of al Qaeda, or counterterrorism, or linguistics. That really has nothing to do with much of anything. They were psychologists from military SERE schools, where, among other things like not eating for a week, people like me are subjected to "enhanced interrogation techniques". They were hired as consultants based on their previous observation of and expertise in the effects of EITs.

[Edited on December 19, 2014 at 3:07 AM. Reason : just saw several goddamn hippies jumped on the climate change thing. sorry dude, but that's totally valid.]

[Edited on December 19, 2014 at 3:08 AM. Reason : ]

12/19/2014 3:05:36 AM