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d357r0y3r
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"The Republican party and popular Libertarian voices need to do more to quell the growing rise of right-wing radicalism."


The most notable rise in "right-wing radicalism" is mostly in response to what they see as runaway leftism. The right, in general, can't do anything about radicals; radicals just call them cuckservatives/RINOs/lolbertarians. The alt-right considers libertarians to be naive and idealistic; they don't respect them at all.

The left could do a lot more to stop radicalism and reactionaries. All you have to do is jettison all the batshit crazy ideological stuff, but unfortunately Democrats are embracing the idpol stuff as gospel. Quick list:

- Stop trying to undermine markets. It's the only thing that works (that we know of) and no one wants to shovel shit in worker's communes. People do not want socialism or communism, they want capitalism with some safety guards built in.
- Stop making everything about race. If you constantly berate people for being white, or demand that they pay for things they aren't responsible for, some of them might say "fuck it, guess it's white people against the non-whites." It's a completely predictable response when you shame people for what they are, which the left does constantly. Sometimes it almost seems like the left wanted to create a reactionary movement. Ideas like reparations are deeply unpopular with Americans, so building it into a political platform is a horrible move.

There's a lot of other nonsense in left-wing ideologies that could never work (and never has worked, under any circumstance), but Americans may buy those things anyway if they're presented in the right package.

Of course, it's not as if the left has control over their radicals either, and you can see that on this very message board. It's definitely a circular firing squad situation. In a way it seems like radical leftists hate the center left more than the right, maybe because they see them as traitors to the cause.

10/30/2019 1:07:30 PM

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"The most notable rise in "right-wing radicalism" is mostly in response to what they see as runaway leftism."


Ah yes, no agency Nazis. This shit is as trite as the “this is how you got Trump” bullshit supposed “never Trump” ex-GOP grifters yell whenever the left doesn’t immediately move center-right.

The other points, especially the market one (considering the story Trump is literally wanting to tell companies where they can product cars) I’m not even going to touch. It’s so far gone from today’s reality.

10/30/2019 1:21:04 PM

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TIL that we have Nazis and White Supremacists in the country because the left wants Medicare for All and an end to dependency on fossil fuels.

10/30/2019 1:24:15 PM

d357r0y3r
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"Ah yes, no agency Nazis. This shit is as trite as the “this is how you got Trump” bullshit supposed “never Trump” ex-GOP grifters yell whenever the left doesn’t immediately move center-right."


Yeah, and this is how you're going to get Trump for 4 more years - because you never actually understand how your opponents think.

That's a difference between us. I can actually make the case for your side of the argument. You can't make the case for a right-wing argument. In your mind, conservatives and the right, in general, are just people with an insatiable lust for dominating women and minorities. That's all they care about. They just wake up and say, "hmm, how can I make the lives of black people a little harder today?"

I don't think that the left wakes up and asks how they can turn the United States into Soviet Russia, outside of maybe some kids on Reddit and mentally ill people. I think they actually believe that their plans will make the world a better place. It won't, but they think it will. But, if you were honest with yourself, do you believe that people on the right are fundamentally good people, or do you think they're some combination of stupid and evil?

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"TIL that we have Nazis and White Supremacists in the country because the left wants Medicare for All and an end to dependency on fossil fuels."


I mean, the absolute number of "Nazis" and supremacists are vanishly small. But let's pretend that it's actually a significant movement.

Go back to my post. You can keep Medicare for All (you know - for the 1.5 years it operates before the rationing starts) and renewable energy. People are, or can be, down with that. They're not down with reparations and abolishing private health insurance. And they definitely aren't down with giving free health care to illegal immigrants.

[Edited on October 30, 2019 at 1:46 PM. Reason : ]

10/30/2019 1:43:22 PM

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" In your mind, conservatives and the right, in general, are just people with an insatiable lust for dominating women and minorities. That's all they care about. They just wake up and say, "hmm, how can I make the lives of black people a little harder today?""


My point, which should have been obvious is that the idealistic view of the GOP as some beacon of conservatism is simply not reality. Not under Trump at least. He is as controlling of the marketplace as any president in recent history (maybe ever?). A central tenet of conservatism, at least to me, was in favor of open trade and free markets — and I understood and was sympathetic to that viewpoint. I’m a CFA, I tend to subscribe to open global markets. You are lying to yourself if you think the current American right actually believes that...

Best I can tell the American right cares about one thing — making Libs mad. At any cost.

[Edited on October 30, 2019 at 1:48 PM. Reason : C]

10/30/2019 1:47:58 PM

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I don't think that most on the right wake up and say, "How can I make the lives of black people a little harder today," but I think that a large number of them are blind to their white privilege by their white privilege, and this blindness causes them to resent the accusation and view race relations through a skewed perspective.

10/30/2019 1:52:35 PM

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"You can keep Medicare for All (you know - for the 1.5 years it operates before the rationing starts)"


Where is the US on this list and how many countries above us have some form of nationalized healthcare?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy#List_by_the_CIA_(2017)

(also endlessly hilarious that we've dropped below Cuba)

[Edited on October 30, 2019 at 1:55 PM. Reason : .]

10/30/2019 1:55:25 PM

d357r0y3r
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There's definitely some cognitive dissonance going on between market-oriented people on the right and Trump's mercantilist nature. I guess they're willing to look over that because they feel it's outweighed by other factors. Or, maybe, China has become such a threat that it's worth abandoning so-called "free market" principles.

Your Sean Hannitys of the world are going to fall in line almost regardless of what a Republican president does. They have no core tenets, they are just minions more or less. They will never criticize their side.

I think left-wing and right-wing love to dunk on the other side, so that's just part of the political game.

There isn't really anyone going for the independents right now. Maybe your Andrew Yang types could get there, but even he doesn't think he has a chance.

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"Where is the US on this list and how many countries above us have some form of nationalized healthcare?"


We're not comparing apples to apples here. Medicare is a poorly thought out and horribly executed concept. Expanding this awful bureaucracy just makes the problem worse.

There are better, less expensive models that could be used, but they don't look like Medicare.

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"I don't think that most on the right wake up and say, "How can I make the lives of black people a little harder today," but I think that a large number of them are blind to their white privilege by their white privilege, and this blindness causes them to resent the accusation and view race relations through a skewed perspective."


That's a fine perspective, but it hasn't been effectively sold to the American people. If you simply talk past the sale and start demanding reparations, most people still see that as completely radical. This just emboldens radicals; they now have a thing to point to - "see, the Democrats want to take our money and give it to the blacks".

[Edited on October 30, 2019 at 2:03 PM. Reason : ]

10/30/2019 1:56:28 PM

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you guys are arguing with one of the incels who was manipulated

10/30/2019 2:24:19 PM

d357r0y3r
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If I'm married, is it really involuntary? :gottem:

10/30/2019 2:52:11 PM

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"My point, which should have been obvious is that the idealistic view of the GOP as some beacon of conservatism is simply not reality. Not under Trump at least. He is as controlling of the marketplace as any president in recent history (maybe ever?)."


Completely agree. And this is covered in chapter 7 of my book called "Trump is actually a Democrat".

10/30/2019 2:54:15 PM

dtownral
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he has 95% approval

he's a republican, republicans just aren't what you pretend they are

10/30/2019 2:55:21 PM

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Lol, we're not even through Trump's first term and the talking point is already "Trump isn't a real Republican. In fact, he's a Democrat!"

10/30/2019 3:44:07 PM

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Eastwood's latest movie is on point here. He documents a case of right-wing radicalism from back in the 90's.

https://youtu.be/gSMxBLlA8qY

10/31/2019 4:44:37 AM

dtownral
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huh?

10/31/2019 8:29:02 AM

marko
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FAKE NEWS

10/31/2019 10:31:38 AM

GoldieO
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^^ You all remember that time in the 90's our investigative agencies nailed the famous right-wing extremist Richard Jewell. Those alphabet agency folks are never wrong.

10/31/2019 1:24:36 PM

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so because of that, you don’t think right-wing radicalism exists?

even though the actual Olympic bomber was a right-wing extremist?

10/31/2019 2:20:20 PM

utowncha
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he probably thinks thats when left wing (CNN) character assassination started. but hes also dumb.

10/31/2019 3:33:34 PM

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Richard Spencer ranting after the Charlottesville tragedy:

https://twitter.com/atheist_cvnt/status/1191157832546041856

11/5/2019 9:11:04 AM

mkcarter
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his voice is cracking like a prepubescent little twerp. he wouldnt know what to do in a real fight. disgusting.

11/5/2019 9:38:21 AM

marko
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That's why the knuckle draggers do the actual shooting/blowing shit up.

11/5/2019 9:49:06 AM

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^^^ WTF did I just hear?

That is so surreal, it sounds like lines from some movie showing enslavement and genocides

What a horrible non-human.

11/5/2019 12:58:56 PM

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https://www.npr.org/2019/11/19/780552636/stephen-miller-and-the-camp-of-the-saints-a-white-nationalist-reference

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"Senior White House adviser Stephen Miller is an immigration hard-liner. He engineered the Trump administration's family-separation policy and its travel ban on people from some Muslim-majority countries.

But last week, the Southern Poverty Law Center detailed leaked emails in which it says Miller encouraged far-right website Breitbart to promote white supremacist ideas. In one message, Miller references a book of fiction: "Someone should point out the parallels to Camp of the Saints."
'That's Stephen': White House Adviser's Controversial Style Dates Back To His Youth
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'That's Stephen': White House Adviser's Controversial Style Dates Back To His Youth

The Camp of the Saints is a 1973 French novel by Jean Raspail that has become a key inspiration within white nationalist circles. It portrays a dystopia, or perhaps an apocalypse: a flotilla of South Asian people who invade France and effectively overthrow Western society.

"The key themes are actually white supremacy and the end of white civilization as the West knows it — infestation, invasion, hordes of nameless, faceless migrants who come to indeed invade the West and bring about its end," says Chelsea Stieber, professor of French and Francophone studies at Catholic University of America.
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11/19/2019 12:41:46 PM

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