Smath74 All American 93281 Posts user info edit post |
From their twitter:
Quote : | "#SpaceShipTwo has experienced an in-flight anomaly. Additional info and statement forthcoming." |
reports from rescue helicopters lots of debris, possible fatalities. 10/31/2014 2:18:53 PM
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Smath74 All American 93281 Posts user info edit post |
according to scanner, one survivor, one fatality.
[Edited on October 31, 2014 at 2:37 PM. Reason : ] 10/31/2014 2:20:31 PM
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Smath74 All American 93281 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Ss2 had trouble with engine burn, blew up, came down in pieces near Koehn Lake." |
10/31/2014 2:27:47 PM
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BlackSheep Suspended 1575 Posts user info edit post |
This is not at all what I have read. I read that it was a test firing of the engine on the ground. 10/31/2014 2:28:37 PM
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Smath74 All American 93281 Posts user info edit post |
no it was a test flight. 10/31/2014 2:30:04 PM
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mrfrog ☯ 15145 Posts user info edit post |
Considering that this was intended to run passenger flights very soon, and that many people are currently on the list, this isn't good at all. I thought their design was basically going to lick the safety issue. Guess we're still getting reminders about the risks of spaceflight ![](images/frown.gif) 10/31/2014 2:30:24 PM
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Smath74 All American 93281 Posts user info edit post |
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=35117.225
here is a thread following the flight. 10/31/2014 2:30:56 PM
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Smath74 All American 93281 Posts user info edit post |
https://twitter.com/spacecom/status/528251513152765952
Quote : | "Saw on[e] of crash sites. Body still in seat." |
10/31/2014 2:32:07 PM
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Wraith All American 27281 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/virgin-voyage/virgin-galactics-spaceshiptwo-crashes-during-flight-test-n238376
Oh man. Loss of crew always makes these things so much worse. The Orbital failure sucked but this one is a complete tragedy.
[Edited on October 31, 2014 at 2:36 PM. Reason : ] 10/31/2014 2:34:03 PM
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Smath74 All American 93281 Posts user info edit post |
this is very bad news. RIP to the pilot. 10/31/2014 2:36:02 PM
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Smath74 All American 93281 Posts user info edit post |
![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1S8hpzCYAA93sl.jpg)
one of the pilots being carried by stretcher to helicopter.
10/31/2014 2:39:25 PM
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theDuke866 All American 52895 Posts user info edit post |
![](images/frown.gif)
10/31/2014 3:00:57 PM
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BlackSheep Suspended 1575 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah, story i read was old. NBC was reporting two chutes were sighted. I guess thats wrong? 10/31/2014 3:01:07 PM
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Wraith All American 27281 Posts user info edit post |
Two chutes doesn't necessarily mean they both survived or even made it out of the aircraft.
![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1S-bKRCMAEOMsl.jpg) 10/31/2014 3:07:37 PM
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theDuke866 All American 52895 Posts user info edit post |
yeah, especially if it has some sort of ejection system, you could be dead before you're ejected, or killed by the ejection itself, or killed by the landing, or even land safely and get dragged to death by your 'chute (had a Harrier pilot acquaintance from NCSU whose dad was killed in that way after ejecting from a Harrier). 10/31/2014 3:17:06 PM
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Nighthawk All American 19639 Posts user info edit post |
They are waiting for the coroner at Mojave airport now according to the scanner traffic. Helicopter is going to get coroners crew and get them out. Not sure if that is for the second pilot who parachuted or the first who was DOA in seat? 10/31/2014 3:18:54 PM
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Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "killed by the ejection itself" |
Generally how high is the survivability of ejecting? Asking for my friend Goose. 10/31/2014 3:35:20 PM
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theDuke866 All American 52895 Posts user info edit post |
it varies widely depending on parameters of the ejection (and for that matter, which seat and how big you are).
Ejection is pretty nasty, at best. It's just a nice option to have when the alternatives are all worse.
[Edited on October 31, 2014 at 3:41 PM. Reason : but generally, going through the canopy isn't that big of a deal. The seats have breaker spikes.]
[Edited on October 31, 2014 at 3:43 PM. Reason : I know a dude who punched out of an Intruder, his 'chute never opened, and he survived.] 10/31/2014 3:40:24 PM
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Cherokee All American 8264 Posts user info edit post |
I wonder how long it'll take for the media to terrify the entire country with regards to space travel and to force Congress to hold hearings on whether companies should be allowed to do it. 10/31/2014 3:52:10 PM
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eyewall41 All American 2269 Posts user info edit post |
^ The people involved are well aware of the risks. The last thing any of them would want is for it stop. Spaceflight is never routine and it is never easy and major setbacks occur from time to time and the most tragic obviously are those where there is loss of life. There will be delays but I am confident we will go forward eventually. 10/31/2014 4:00:18 PM
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BlackSheep Suspended 1575 Posts user info edit post |
The media is already doing its spin. "2nd commerical crash in a week"
They will scare all the people away who bought seats. The thing will get delayed by a decade. 10/31/2014 4:05:58 PM
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Smath74 All American 93281 Posts user info edit post |
a reporter was obviously upset on air and blamed virgin galactic for "killing my friend." 10/31/2014 4:11:05 PM
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BlackSheep Suspended 1575 Posts user info edit post |
^for real? I wish i had seen that 10/31/2014 4:12:06 PM
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Wraith All American 27281 Posts user info edit post |
If Congress were to step in, what could they do to something like Virgin Galactic? I feel like a company like that would just say "Okay we are just gonna launch from somewhere outside of the USA then". The people buying seats on these things are rich enough to where they don't really care where they have to travel to. 10/31/2014 4:12:45 PM
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vinylbandit All American 48079 Posts user info edit post |
I think most of the people who bought seats are smart enough to understand the risk. 10/31/2014 4:14:05 PM
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BlackSheep Suspended 1575 Posts user info edit post |
I understand ashton kutcher purchased a seat. Maybe Charlie will finally get to come back to Two Men 10/31/2014 4:19:44 PM
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moron All American 34450 Posts user info edit post |
GuruBuckaroo wrote: It's worth noting that this is the FIRST manned space flight/test flight accident that didn't result in the deaths of the entire crew.
And
Surely these two aborts count as dodging death... Soyuz 18a - Crew survives 21.3g abort at an alitude of 145 km. Soyuz T-10a - Crew survives on pad explosion using launch esapce systems. 137 posts | registered Apr 29, 2005
From elsewhere on the net 10/31/2014 4:24:11 PM
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bbehe Burn it all down. 18410 Posts user info edit post |
Apollo 13? and all of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spaceflight-related_accidents_and_incidents#Non-fatal_incidents_during_spaceflight
[Edited on October 31, 2014 at 4:30 PM. Reason : a] 10/31/2014 4:26:34 PM
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Wraith All American 27281 Posts user info edit post |
Maybe he meant cases in which there was an accident that resulted in the death of some crew but others were able to survive? 10/31/2014 4:34:21 PM
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eyewall41 All American 2269 Posts user info edit post |
Is there any video of the flight? 10/31/2014 4:47:10 PM
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The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Guess we're still getting reminders about the risks of spacefligh" |
for profit spaceflight 10/31/2014 5:54:38 PM
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theDuke866 All American 52895 Posts user info edit post |
![](images/rolleyes.gif)
10/31/2014 6:01:10 PM
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CuntPunter Veteran 429 Posts user info edit post |
Remind me why in an age of computer controlled flight we need to bother with pilots on test flights? Is it simply an ego thing that humans want to be the pilots regardless of the situation? 10/31/2014 6:13:32 PM
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moron All American 34450 Posts user info edit post |
^ ![](images/rolleyes.gif) 10/31/2014 6:15:17 PM
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theDuke866 All American 52895 Posts user info edit post |
here, i'll post something stupid now just to keep the pattern going:
Why didn't the pilots, just, you know, not let it blow up?
![](http://knox.villagesoup.com/media/Common/11/AE/765671/t600-idiocracy2.jpg) 10/31/2014 6:20:36 PM
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bbehe Burn it all down. 18410 Posts user info edit post |
![](http://i.imgur.com/bfGB0da.png)
10/31/2014 8:17:48 PM
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goalielax All American 11252 Posts user info edit post |
wow and someone survived that? 10/31/2014 9:47:00 PM
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Str8BacardiL ************ 41758 Posts user info edit post |
Does Richard Branson even fly in these things? The design of the spaceship is very odd. 11/1/2014 12:55:16 AM
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Master_Yoda All American 3626 Posts user info edit post |
Report is that both ejected. Why one died after/during ejection has not been said yet.
If I was to guess, he either landed wrong (probably not) or got hit by debris (more likely) 11/1/2014 8:32:24 AM
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Smath74 All American 93281 Posts user info edit post |
RIP 39-year-old Michael Alsbury. 11/1/2014 2:55:36 PM
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Smath74 All American 93281 Posts user info edit post |
Sir Richard Branson's comments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEZVCmMOG_U 11/1/2014 4:08:20 PM
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CuntPunter Veteran 429 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Remind me why in an age of computer controlled flight we need to bother with pilots on test flights?" |
It's a serious fucking question and the fact that it is going unanswered is speaking volumes. 11/1/2014 4:22:50 PM
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bbehe Burn it all down. 18410 Posts user info edit post |
You do realize, just because we have UAVs, doesn't mean it's possible, or even practical, to outfit every craft we design to be piloted remotely? Even if it was, at what point do you want to consider a craft safe enough for human flight? This thing had flown 50+ times, with 30+ being on its own power..and before that, every thing was rigorously tested on the ground? This isn't Kerbal Space Program, we're not going straight from design to putting a guy inside.
This is manned spaceflight, there will always be risks.
"“We’re in a risky business and we hope if anything happens to us, it will not delay the program. The conquest of space is worth the risk of life. Our God-given curiosity will force us to go there ourselves because in the final analysis only man can fully evaluate the moon in terms understandable to other men. “ - Gus Grissom, weeks before the Apollo 1 fire.
[Edited on November 1, 2014 at 4:42 PM. Reason : a] 11/1/2014 4:38:51 PM
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CuntPunter Veteran 429 Posts user info edit post |
non sequitor 11/1/2014 4:40:12 PM
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Crede All American 7339 Posts user info edit post |
Because we have the capability to do something does not make it practical to do something. 11/1/2014 4:41:42 PM
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CuntPunter Veteran 429 Posts user info edit post |
I'm not interested in having an elementary discussion. Someone tell me why a new fuel mixture was tried on an endeavor that is absolutely non-essential to ANYTHING where 1 dude had to die and another one was seriously injured in an era where computers and machines can do what they were doing and more. 11/1/2014 5:09:27 PM
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Smath74 All American 93281 Posts user info edit post |
+++++ Quote : | ""“We’re in a risky business and we hope if anything happens to us, it will not delay the program. The conquest of space is worth the risk of life. Our God-given curiosity will force us to go there ourselves because in the final analysis only man can fully evaluate the moon in terms understandable to other men. “ - Gus Grissom, weeks before the Apollo 1 fire. " | + 11/1/2014 5:13:35 PM
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CuntPunter Veteran 429 Posts user info edit post |
They are trying to establish a business for billionaires to experience 4 minutes of weightlessness...I guess a test pilot death and another one maimed ain't no thang. 11/1/2014 5:20:27 PM
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bbehe Burn it all down. 18410 Posts user info edit post |
In an age where everything can be simulated on a computer, why even bother leaving the house? 11/1/2014 5:20:37 PM
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bbehe Burn it all down. 18410 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "They are trying to establish a business for billionaires to experience 4 minutes of weightlessness...I guess a test pilot death and another one maimed ain't no thang. " |
The first commercial flight cost about 10,000 in today's dollars and lasted 23 minutes. 11/1/2014 5:24:27 PM
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