when people are unable to look beyond their own biases, preconceived notions, and hate, and are therefore unable to be objective and scientific in their analysis of fact and evidence.

Most people lack the academic honesty, curiosity, and critical thinking skills to mold their beliefs to the evidence available, as opposed to trying to contort the evidence to fit or justify their beliefs.

Yes, this has to do with you-know-what, but this also applies to so much more in society as well: religion, science, politics, etc

[Edited on November 25, 2014 at 6:58 AM. Reason : .]

11/25/2014 6:58:09 AM

This is why electives in college are so important. All that time spent discussing various topics and scenarios helps people become objective and open minded.

11/25/2014 7:39:53 AM

Is this about the keystone xl pipeline, or...?

11/25/2014 7:46:26 AM

^^Do you think the people rioting are college-educated? Not likely. College is part of the problem as much as it is part of the solution because it is a part of the bigger problem of inequality.

[Edited on November 25, 2014 at 7:47 AM. Reason : Not sure if serious or...]

11/25/2014 7:46:59 AM

because everyone is supposed to (or even wants to) go to college?

11/25/2014 7:49:49 AM

Yup. All those buildings were set on fire last night because the citizens of Ferguson didn't put in enough humanties and social science credit hours while they were in college.

Don't get me wrong, I certainly agree with your, but you are making your point to a group of people here that all share a common experience by going to school. The people rioting last night and a large majority of the people who see Wilson as a murderer have a much different perspective.

11/25/2014 7:50:57 AM

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"The people rioting last night and a large majority of the people who see Wilson as a murderer..."

Please share your data.

11/25/2014 10:55:52 AM

What data would you like? Would you like for me to survey the folks rioting last night and see how many are college educated?

11/25/2014 10:59:49 AM

Murderer or not every killer should at least go to trial. A not guilty verdict is one thing but completely overlooking a killing is disrespectful.

11/25/2014 11:00:21 AM

It was a justified kill, not a murder.

11/25/2014 11:10:10 AM

I would get trolled if I starts a such thought provoking thread.

[Edited on November 25, 2014 at 11:12 AM. Reason : .Murica.]

[Edited on November 25, 2014 at 11:20 AM. Reason : threat, thread]

11/25/2014 11:12:08 AM

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"What data would you like? Would you like for me to survey the folks rioting last night and see how many are college educated?"

Yes. And also your data about "people who see Wilson as a murderer"

11/25/2014 11:45:38 AM

personally my spirited conversation I had with a teaching assistant on November 13, 2003, is the only thing that keeps me from marching with Al Sharpton each morning

It has nothing to do with my overall level of education, socio-economic status, religious beliefs, and overall sentiment toward society

11/25/2014 11:47:59 AM

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"religion,science"

Mind==blown

Religion is fake. Best form of mind control ever created.

Whites used religion to enslave blacks, now blacks use religion as a crutch for everything.

[Edited on November 25, 2014 at 12:03 PM. Reason : .]

11/25/2014 12:02:53 PM

^This is what I fucking HATE.

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

11/25/2014 12:04:28 PM

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"Murderer or not every killer should at least go to trial. A not guilty verdict is one thing but completely overlooking a killing is disrespectful."

You clearly don't understand our justice system. (google "Grand Jury" when you get a moment.)
and
You clearly didn't put much thought into this statement. Do you really think anything good comes from dragging all crime victims who kill someone in self defense through a lengthy court case? The lawyer fees, court system costs, work missed by jurors, etc. would amount to $billions. And for what? So we can punish the victim again?

This type of knee jerk reaction gets us nowhere.

11/25/2014 12:04:38 PM

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"dragging all crime victims"

Just in case you all missed it, Skack is calling Darren Wilson the victim here.

11/25/2014 12:07:32 PM

also:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/
http://gawker.com/read-the-ferguson-grand-jury-testimony-and-witness-inte-1663029540
http://gawker.com/ferguson-prosecutors-idiot-speech-blames-everyone-but-d-1662970833
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/11/24/3596621/in-powerful-video-legal-experts-explain-why-the-grand-jury-in-ferguson-was-set-up-for-failure/

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"Here's another witness, Witness 48, saying that Brown was "charging" Wilson, who was retreating and yelling "stop": And here is a different witness, whose witness number is not given in the transcript, saying that Brown had "stopped" and "wasn't doing anything" when Wilson fired the last round of shots: That witness repeatedly describes Brown looking at his own hands, apparently seeing the blood from the first time he was shot. By this account, Brown was "stunned" and he appeared to be surrendering: If only our legal system offered some way to publicly weigh the testimony of different eyewitnesses who contradict each other—a sort of "trial" of the evidence, if you will."

11/25/2014 12:09:41 PM

^ This should have went to trial. The end

If he was innocent of wrong doing prove it in court.

11/25/2014 12:11:09 PM

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"Just in case you all missed it, Skack is calling Darren Wilson the victim here."

You need to work on your reading skills. I was clearly responding to the statement that "Murderer or not every killer should at least go to trial."

Is Darren Wilson every killer? No? Then shut the fuck up.

11/25/2014 12:12:12 PM

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"If he was innocent of wrong doing prove it in court."

Are you advocating that we get rid of the Grand Jury system and proceed to trial in every instance, regardless of probable cause?

[Edited on November 25, 2014 at 12:12 PM. Reason : ]

11/25/2014 12:12:18 PM

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"If he was innocent of wrong doing prove it in court."

I think you have that backwards.

11/25/2014 12:14:01 PM

No I don't, that's how the system works when the accused party is black.

The point of a grand jury is to see if there's probable cause to bring charges, not weight all the evidence and have a mock trial.

[Edited on November 25, 2014 at 12:15 PM. Reason : .]

11/25/2014 12:15:01 PM

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"This should have went to trial. The end"

Read through the witness transcripts. Those witnesses being cross examined would have been lolcoasters.

11/25/2014 12:16:14 PM

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"Then shut the fuck up."

[Edited on November 25, 2014 at 12:17 PM. Reason : We get it. Darren Wilson is the victim of violent crime here]

[Edited on November 25, 2014 at 12:18 PM. Reason : I imagine George Zimmerman was too right?]

11/25/2014 12:16:15 PM

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"The point of a grand jury is to see if there's probable cause to bring charges, not weight all the evidence and have a mock trial."

How exactly do you think they determine if there is probable cause or not?

11/25/2014 12:17:14 PM

When a prosecutor wants a indictment do you think they go in and layout all the evidence? You can't be that damn stupid.

11/25/2014 12:20:10 PM

A prosecutor does have to present some evidence. They may not analyze everything if it's clear cut, but they do present evidence and take witness testimony.

[Edited on November 25, 2014 at 12:27 PM. Reason : Source: I am an attorney]

11/25/2014 12:26:03 PM

Yes the present evidence, but you and I both know that if you want a certain outcome you know how to get it. In all honesty its not really worth a debate, I knew nothing was going to happen to this cop when I first read about this story months ago. This is how the US justice system works. Best thing for young black men to do is have 0 interaction with cops.

11/25/2014 12:31:40 PM

A good way to avoid interactions with the cops would be not to rob a convenience store and then reach into a cop car and call the cop a pussy.

11/25/2014 12:33:00 PM

@synapse Yes, I'm furious bro. Just furious. I can barely type this out.

You made a dumb remark and got called out for it. Some men would swallow their pride and admit that they didn't actually read what I wrote rather than doubling down with more ignorant pot shots from left field. But no, I'm not mad about it. That's on you.

11/25/2014 12:33:11 PM

is blackjesus suggesting the prosecutor didnt even try

11/25/2014 12:34:43 PM

I'm suggesting he got the outcome that was best for his career..

[Edited on November 25, 2014 at 12:37 PM. Reason : I'm black]

11/25/2014 12:36:51 PM

^^Are you suggesting that the CIA didn't invent crack to oppress the black population?


[Edited on November 25, 2014 at 12:37 PM. Reason : Source: I'm a non-attorney spokesperson.]

11/25/2014 12:36:54 PM

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"Yes, I'm furious bro. Just furious. I can barely type this out."

I dunno dude, you seemed pretty mad. Glad to see you've calmed down some.

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"every killer [referring Darren Wilson] should at least go to trial"

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"dragging all crime victims who kill someone in self defense through a lengthy court case"

How are you not calling Darren Wilson the killer/crime victim in this equation???

11/25/2014 1:10:27 PM

The prosecutor did try. He was also successful in his attempt to avoid a trial.

11/25/2014 1:22:37 PM

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"every killer [referring Darren Wilson] should at least go to trial"

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"dragging all crime victims who kill someone in self defense through a lengthy court case"

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"How are you not calling Darren Wilson the killer/crime victim in this equation???"

Do you realize that your entire argument rests on the bolded part which you completely made up and which only you believe? OP clearly said "every killer" and not "Darren Wilson" in his post, nor had any other mention of Darren Wilson been made up to that point. I really don't know how you concluded that I was talking specifically about Darren Wilson, but you're the one who called me out in the first place so I felt the need to respond.

I think it is pretty clear at this point (not that it wasn't before, but whatever) that I was referring to victims who shoot someone in cases that are clearly self defense and not Darren Wilson specifically.

[Edited on November 25, 2014 at 1:38 PM. Reason : l]

11/25/2014 1:35:40 PM

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"The prosecutor did try. He was also successful in his attempt to avoid a trial."

so lets discuss this piece of shit grand jury

when do we find out who they were

11/25/2014 3:29:03 PM

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"A good way to avoid interactions with the cops would be not to rob a convenience store and then reach into a cop car and call the cop a pussy."

I'm not too sure this actually happened. It would have been great if there was an actual trial where people could have heard testimony from a variety of sources, as opposed to a DA cherry picking 'evidence' and being like: "here guys. look over this stuff for the next few months. i'm not going to say anything either way, i'll let you decide how ridiculous this all sounds "



[Edited on November 25, 2014 at 3:31 PM. Reason : .]

11/25/2014 3:30:14 PM

i'm not a lawyer so someone correct me if i'm wrong, but as far as i know the point of a trial is not to give all of the evidence to the public and let them decide.

11/25/2014 9:40:17 PM

^ That is a benefit of a trial, sir. Unfortunately, this whole debacle never made it to trial.

11/25/2014 10:16:11 PM