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I think that this looks great, although it does feel like they are going down the whole “Will Smith playing a tortured good guy” route, and although he always kills it in those roles, I was just hoping for him to do something completely different, such as being an actual sadistic killer similar to Tom Cruise in Collateral.

Jai Courtney looked decent as well for a change; I really like what they did with his make-up as it looks fucking awesome. Leto does come off a bit like Heath, but more toned down which is nice.

Above all, you can’t get caught sleeping on David Ayer. The worst thing that you can do as a movie goer is to walk into a film without knowing what the director can and will bring to the table, and for this particular director, he’s got the potential to take this in a very violent and muddy direction.

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" So is this movie considered canon with the Man of Steel/Batman vs. Superman movies that are leading up to the Justice League? That looked like Batman on the top of the car it showed briefly but earlier in the trailer it looked like someone was dressed like Batman in a clearly "wrong" suit."


Yes, they are all part of the new DC Expanded universe that started with Man of Steel.


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"How much is batman supposed to be in this movie? I can't imagine it is a whole lot, since it isn't a batman movie."


Several Scenes of Affleck as Wayne and Batman have already been leaked, so he will at least Show up.


[Edited on July 14, 2015 at 3:44 AM. Reason : u]

7/14/2015 3:25:38 AM

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Trailer was better than expected. I thought it sounded horrible after initial castings, but now I'm at least intrigued.

7/14/2015 8:45:35 AM

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Margot Robbie is going to be so fucking hot in this movie.

7/14/2015 9:13:35 AM

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This is suppose to take place between Man of Steel and Batman vs Superman with Joker already in custody for B v S.

Deadshot is actually more of a antihero aka Deadpool than a straight supervillain, now the others are straight villains. Deadshot killed his own brother in the comics so he has been trying to come back from that.

7/14/2015 10:16:39 AM

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I like that will smith isn't a pure killer. I'm not sure about the other lesser known characters, but at least his character is someone that we can relate to more so than a half alligator(?) man, or joker psycho.

Also loved the part about Superman showing up bringing out the crazies. This also ties into how Aquaman, wonder woman, and maybe batman also would do the same thing.

7/14/2015 10:26:22 AM

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I only remember Margot Robbie prett weakly from wolf of wall street; not sure how good an actress she is...I guess we'll see what she does with the role

7/14/2015 1:18:44 PM

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"I like that will smith isn't a pure killer. I'm not sure about the other lesser known characters, but at least his character is someone that we can relate to more so than a half alligator(?) man, or joker psycho.
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Deadshot is supposed to be a cold-blooded villain who gets paid to kill People. On top of that, he's also a wacky nut job that shows no remorse or conscience in the aftermath of his killings. I was only hoping that they were going to frame him exactly like Tom Cruise's character in Collateral when I heard of the casting, and I am just a bit disappointed/unsurprised that he is playing the Standard Will Smith nice guy instead. There are other characters on the Suicide Squad that are more than capable of filling in for him for this role. I am sure that he is gonna do a good Job, but seeing Smith play the jaded good guy again is nothing that we haven't seen a thousand times before.

[Edited on July 15, 2015 at 6:35 AM. Reason : f]

7/15/2015 6:29:27 AM

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"I only remember Margot Robbie prett weakly from wolf of wall street"


Pretty weakly huh?

7/15/2015 9:45:18 AM

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"seeing Smith play the jaded good guy again is nothing that we haven't seen a thousand times before."



I get what your saying but this was also 15 seconds of dialog from the film.

7/15/2015 10:29:28 AM

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Yeah, safe to say that it is just a curiosity. Also, I really like the images and scenes from this trailor that call back to Hannibal Lecter in Silence of the Lambs. That's gonna give me some chills if they play it out right.

One more thing that I've noticed is that everybody has been quick to point out that the main theme from the trailer is a cover of the Bee Gees song "I Started a Joke", but what they don't really speculate about is who the song is referencing. Now, I've been a fan of both the pre-Disco and Disco Bee Gees for a while, and this song has always struck me (and many others) as a reference to Hitler. So, wouldn't that be cool if this is the Joker's theme and he started a rein of terror only to have Batman lock him up or kill him off in the end?

7/19/2015 4:51:16 PM

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jared leto joker is gonna be jason todd

7/19/2015 8:45:37 PM

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^^Ehh I have a feeling we arent going to see much of joker/batman in this movie. Probably just Joker and Harley interaction telling her story, then Batman catching the two of them.

Looking at the trailer for Batman v Superman it seems he has already had a lot of interaction with Joker. I have a feeling we are going to see a solo Batman v Joker movie after these two.

7/19/2015 9:12:49 PM

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Oh boy, another Batman v Joker movie.

7/19/2015 9:40:16 PM

Kurtis636
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Margot Robbie is fucking ridiculous.

7/19/2015 11:29:41 PM

BanjoMan
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lots of interesting rumors Floating around that this Version of the Joker is actually Jason Todd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IXwavd8xxg

[Edited on July 29, 2015 at 1:36 PM. Reason : a]

7/29/2015 1:36:35 PM

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Can you summarize that theory for those who don't know Jason Todd?

7/29/2015 4:47:33 PM

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^ https://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/comments/3d95w4/bvssuicide_squad_the_joker_we_see_in_suicide/

7/29/2015 4:58:36 PM

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Brief bio:
Jason Todd is the 2nd Robin (after Dick Grayson). He was murdered by the Joker, but then brought back from the dead by magic (or retconning what actually happened, depending on the story-line).
When he comes back, he takes the alias of the Red Hood which was the Joker's identity prior to being dropped in the vat (disfiguring him). He is similar to Batman in this new role, but he isn't shy to straight-up murder villains or run a crime syndicate of his own to destroy other syndicates. He holds a strong grudge against Batman for not saving him and for being too lax on the Joker after his "death".

I have not read theories on why this Joker would actually be Jason Todd, though.

7/29/2015 5:03:39 PM

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"Can you summarize that theory for those who don't know Jason Todd?"


I think that it started with the fact that Joker's line of " I'm just gonna hurt ya, really really bad" was lifted directly from the Comic books when an older Version of the Joker killed Jason Todd. Then, People started to look at the tats on the Joker in greater detail, and they actually start to make more sense when you consider the perspective that an older Version of the Joker tatted up a dead Jason Todd. For instance, there are Robin feathers under his arm, the smile could be there because Todd's teeth were knocked out, and the skull in the Jester tat could symbolize Todd coming back from the dead to take on the role as the Joker.

This is actually not that far-fetched because we already know from the trailer that they are going to incorporate supernatural powers into this universe, so having Todd being rejuvenated and taking on a green suit is plausible. Then, to seal the deal, there is Batman’s line of “how many good people stayed that way” after specifically showing the damaged Robin outfit implying that he was killed. In my mind, this can be taking as he was turned evil after he was killed.

So, the theory is not that far-fetched IMO, as there exist nothing at the moment to shoot it down, so let’s see.




[Edited on July 30, 2015 at 6:23 AM. Reason : a]

7/30/2015 6:18:37 AM

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except for the fact that Zack Snyder's son has been pretty much confirmed to be playing Jason Todd.

so unless he dies and comes back looking like jared leto. i doubt it.

7/30/2015 9:17:14 AM

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His son is still fairly Young-looking, and they are going with both an oldish Batman/Bruce Wayne and Joker (leto is no spring chicken) in this moive, so it could easily be a Flash back.

7/30/2015 10:02:11 AM

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I think this theory/plot line makes the entire series way way better. Adds a lot of complication to Batman's struggle in dealing with the Joker. Creates the mechanism as to why Batman can never really hurt/stop him. Because he used to be Robin there is always a hesitation. In fact, Batman would be compelled to save his life if some other villain threatened it. You could have a scene where Batman fights villain X while Joker takes advantage of the situation and fights Batman and/or villain X.

Creates all sorts of interesting scenarios.

I mean, without that, the Joker is an insane person who kills people. There would be no reason for anyone to not just blow him away. Its too simple really.

I want this theory to be true.

7/30/2015 10:34:07 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnlomFx6nIA

7/30/2015 10:58:27 AM

BEU
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HA

7/30/2015 11:22:13 AM

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New trailer out and it's actually a pretty damn good trailer. Instead of going all grim dark like DC has been doing, they actually made this look fun https://youtu.be/CmRih_VtVAs

[Edited on January 20, 2016 at 7:36 AM. Reason : $$$]

1/20/2016 7:35:57 AM

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Gun to my head I'd say I'm more interested in this movie than BvS.

1/20/2016 8:10:07 AM

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Looks good to me. I wasn't the biggest fan of Margot Robbie off the bat (obviously she was hot in Wolf of Wall Street, just wasn't sold on her yet)...but I'm all-in now.

1/20/2016 8:51:33 AM

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1/20/2016 8:58:01 AM

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Looks entertaining and awful at the same time.

1/20/2016 9:02:44 PM

vinylbandit
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Is Margot Robbie playing Harley Quinn or Andy Dick?

1/20/2016 10:57:39 PM

BEU
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Looks fun as hell

1/21/2016 9:03:20 AM

jbrick83
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^^ That makes non sense at all.

1/21/2016 9:58:17 AM

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Every single Harley line in that trailer is delivered with the same cadence and intonation as Andy Dick's act. The content's not far off, either.

1/21/2016 11:00:03 PM

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New Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZwsbcW-d-E

This movie looks good, and also extremely FUN, unlike the last two DC movies that tried to be grandiose and brooding at the expense of fun.

There was a rumor that the first trailer used all the jokes in the movie and that the reshoots they are doing now are to add more humor. Clearly that's not the case, but also even when the characters in this movie aren't joking it still looks like fun.

[Edited on April 11, 2016 at 7:38 AM. Reason : ]

4/11/2016 7:38:29 AM

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So I guess that was Ben Affleck's Batman we see in the trailer?

4/11/2016 8:36:38 AM

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Ben Affleck Batman should be the only batman we see for a while

Which I have no problem cause I like this batman in this world.

I also pray that didn't show all the good parts in the trailer like batman vs superman

4/11/2016 8:57:09 AM

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Hope the opening credits is a brief montage of Batman catching all of them.

4/11/2016 9:08:25 AM

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Saw a preview for this before x-men apocalypse last night and it looks like it is going to be a blast. There will be some batman cameos, maybe as ^ suggested showing them all getting caught. Movie looks like it won't be super gritty, but will be violent and probably lyrics over the top in a good way.

Jared Leto joker looks more acceptable and good God damn Margot Robbie is a smokeshow.

[Edited on May 27, 2016 at 7:20 PM. Reason : Xfgv]

5/27/2016 7:19:29 PM

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34% RT

8/2/2016 6:25:15 PM

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anyone with t-mobile can get a free movie ticket.

8/2/2016 6:51:07 PM

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38% on RT. Marvel bias or DC just can't pull it together?

8/2/2016 8:30:01 PM

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^io9 has a spoiler-free review, seems like a mix of problems, part of it is trying to emulate marvel without doing the work of having individual movies first, and part is they just can't pull it together http://io9.gizmodo.com/movie-review-suicide-squad-is-as-messy-and-weird-as-th-1784666704

8/2/2016 9:29:47 PM

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I would watch this only for Margot Robbie

8/3/2016 12:46:50 AM

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8/3/2016 8:43:32 AM

JP
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Soundtrack is the same as Wayne's World, according to the trailers

8/3/2016 9:45:47 AM

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"We're going to make Jai Courtney a star whether you like it or not."
-Hollywood

8/3/2016 12:31:29 PM

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8/3/2016 12:33:29 PM

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While I have no interest in almost any superhero not named Birdman, I do find the movie-making process to be fascinating. Especially after reading articles such as this one from the Hollywood reporter:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/suicide-squads-secret-drama-rushed-916693
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"'Suicide Squad's' Secret Drama: Rushed Production, Competing Cuts, High Anxiety
The upheaval like that behind Warner?Bros.'s DC team-up is becoming a staple of studio franchise filmmaking.
"Better late than never." That was one Warner Bros. executive's reaction to the excitement at Suicide Squad's splashy Aug. 1 premiere in New York. Tracking indicates the film could open to more than $140 million domestic and potentially hand the studio its first unequivocal megahit since American Sniper's $547.4 million in December 2014. With March's Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice grossing $873 million worldwide but failing to impress audiences or reach the hoped-for $1 billion mark, Warners still urgently needs to jump-start its critical DC Comics universe, raising the stakes for Suicide Squad, which cost at least $175 million to make.

Yet if the villain team-up ultimately works — and it has drawn some harsh early reviews — it will be in spite of the kind of behind-the-scenes drama that is becoming typical for giant franchise movies that now are the main focus of the studio business: a production schedule engineered to meet an ambitious release date; a director, David Ayer (Fury), untested in making tentpole movies; and studio executives, brimming with anxiety, who are ready to intercede forcefully as they attempt to protect a branded asset. Often, efforts to fix perceived problems ratchet up costs, which drive anxiety ever higher. In extreme cases, such as Fox's troubled Fantastic Four, the intervention is so aggressive that it becomes unclear what it means to be the director. (In each such case, studios are careful to stress that the credited director is on-scene and in charge, which is essential to avoid DGA issues. And the wise director plays along.)

So despite grueling moments, multiple editors and competing cuts, the production of Suicide Squad barely stands out in today's landscape. In a joint statement to THR, Ayer and Warners production president Greg Silverman say: "This was an amazing experience. We did a lot of experimentation and collaboration along the way. But we are both very proud of the result. This is a David Ayer film, and Warners is proud to present it."

Warners chief Kevin Tsujihara announced the project in October 2014 as part of a slate of 10 DC films stretching into 2020. Though the studio believed there was enough time to get the movie done, a source with ties to the project says it was a sprint from the start. "[Ayer] wrote the script in like, six weeks, and they just went," he says, arguing that the whole process would have benefited if Ayer, 48, had been given more time to work. But another source closely involved with the film says once it was dated, pushing back the release was not an option: "It's not just that you've told the public the movie is coming, you've made huge deals around the world with huge branding partners, with merchandise partners. It's a really big deal to move a tentpole date."

In Ayer, Warners enlisted a director who had never made a giant, effects-packed action movie. Hiring filmmakers who lack such experience is the trend, and it's often out of necessity. "There are a lot of people who don't want to direct those movies and that's a huge problem," says one producer with franchise experience. "A lot of the proven guys are back-to-back with their stuff, or they want to develop it for five years, and there's a machine that has to be fed. And there's the economics." Seasoned directors are expensive, meaning studios turn to those with less experience, relying on instinct that they will be up to the job. Sometimes it works (Colin Trevorrow on Jurassic World), and sometimes it doesn't (James Bobin on Alice Through the Looking Glass).

A source with knowledge of events says Warners executives, nervous from the start, grew more anxious after they were blindsided and deeply rattled by the tepid response to BvS. "Kevin was really pissed about damage to the brand," says one executive close to the studio. A key concern for Warners executives was that Suicide Squad didn't deliver on the fun, edgy tone promised in the strong teaser trailer for the film. So while Ayer pursued his original vision, Warners set about working on a different cut, with an assist from Trailer Park, the company that had made the teaser.

By the time the film was done, multiple editors had been brought into the process, though only John Gilroy is credited. (A source says he left by the end of the process and that the final editor was Michael Tronick.) "When you have big tentpoles and time pressure, you pull in resources from every which way you can," says this source. "You can't do it the way it used to be, with one editor and one assistant editor."

In May, Ayer's more somber version and a lighter, studio-favored version were tested with audiences in Northern California. "If there are multiple opinions that aren't in sync, you go down multiple tracks — two tracks at least," says an insider. "That was the case here for a period of time, always trying to get to a place where you have consensus." Those associated with the film insist Ayer agreed to and participated in the process. Once feedback on the two versions was analyzed, it became clear it was possible to get to "a very common-ground place." (The studio-favored version with more characters introduced early in the film and jazzed-up graphics won.) Getting to that place of consensus, however, required millions of dollars worth of additional photography.

Other sources describe a fraught process — one cites "a lot of panic and ego instead of calmly addressing the tonal issue." Clearly all wasn't sitting right with Ayer, who in June suddenly dropped his longtime agent at CAA and defected to WME, though the agency won him back in a day. "He was under a lot — a lot — of pressure," says one person with knowledge of the situation, arguing that Ayer was exhausted and needed time to process conflicting ideas.

And there may have been other strains. Just weeks before the two versions were tested, Warners declined to ante up for Ayer's next project, Bright, which will reunite him with Squad star Will Smith. He ended up at Netflix, which made a staggering $90 million deal. Nonetheless, a day or two after Ayer fired and rehired CAA, another cut of the film was screened for a test audience, and sources say the results were strong enough that there was an upbeat plane ride back to Los Angeles.

Now the question is whether the film will deliver for an industry thirsty for something, anything, that will work in a summer bereft of live-action hits. Though reviews suggest the competing visions for the movie may have taken a toll (THR's critic calls the film "puzzlingly confused"), BTIG analyst Rich Greenfield says, "I've learned long ago there is not always a connections between reviews and box office and financial success." At the same time, it is imperative for Warners to build DC movies fans love like they do the Marvel pics.

Even on the day of the premiere, one insider fretted about whether Suicide Squad would mirror BvS' huge opening and weak legs. Another veteran says the goal is survival: "The movie's got to do $750 million, $800 million to break even. If they get anywhere close to that, they'll consider it a win.""

8/3/2016 9:01:22 PM

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I thought that the cast was really good, but the plot was a mess and I never really understood the motivations of a lot of the key characters. I'm glad DC didn't go and make individual backstory/origin movies for each character, but they literally just kind of jumped into the film and kind of expected you to know what the hell was going on from the get go.

8/4/2016 10:44:07 PM

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^ every DC movie except Christian Bale Batman

8/5/2016 8:47:17 AM

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