Can someone explain why the Voter ID law is bad and why the Political Correctness Liberals get their panties in a wad about this?

(Just to clarify I generally am more likely to support leftists candidates due to their support of environmental policies, social policies, opposition to neo-colonialism, lack of affiliation with the Christian Right, and not being on the payroll for Big Energy and the Banks)

If you seriously can't afford a $10 government issue ID card then you obviously have budgeting problems....
Even the homeless seems to afford a couple 40's of miller high life a week. So essentially a voter ID card means 3 days of not boozing....

Soap Box is dead and I figured I'd get some good trolling along with good responses in chit-chat.

7/13/2015 12:49:08 PM

How will we count the votes of dead people if they have to present ID??

7/13/2015 12:52:00 PM

True!

The only reason I bring up the topic was I was reading about Scott Walker following his announcement for president. I think
the Voter ID thing was the only bullet point from his platform I agree with. To be against a "new direction in leadership" he
sounds like another blow-hard right-wing conservative blowhard rallying for enforcement of Christian values (pro-life, anti-gay marriage, etc)
while whining about ACA, and being the champion of corporate america (by the way I support "Right-to-work" and think Unions have out-served
their purpose in the modern era of OSHA, minimum-wage, and other laws protecting workers).

7/13/2015 12:58:33 PM

honestly I don't see what the big deal is. It makes sense to show a government issued ID to be able to vote.

7/13/2015 12:59:03 PM

a blow-hard blowhard, eh?

7/13/2015 1:02:07 PM

I had to come to work early just to avoid the crowd gathering for the march later this afternoon in W-S

7/13/2015 1:08:28 PM

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"If you seriously can't afford a $10 government issue ID card then you obviously have budgeting problems...."

Poll taxes are unconstitutional. Even $10 ones. On top of that, it's not the $10 that's the big deal, it's that you have to obtain the card, which takes time and resources. It might be easy to say "drive down to the DMV and get the card," but what if you don't have a car? If you have to take a day off work to ride two buses across town to the DMV, the already-illegal poll tax goes from $10 for the card to $70 in lost wages.

7/13/2015 1:30:21 PM

solution...mobile DMV.

7/13/2015 1:50:50 PM

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"If you have to take a day off work to ride two buses across town to the DMV"

How do you cash your check for that job without an ID in the first place

7/13/2015 1:54:33 PM

Forcing people to buy products from private business is also unconstitutional. That didn't stop our government. And you know damned well that the liberals would be out in force to make sure that every Tom, Dick, Harry and Jane would get bussed somewhere to get their ID's made. Transportation would NOT be a problem, just like it isn't a problem for them to get to the polls in the first place.

7/13/2015 1:54:34 PM

7/13/2015 1:55:27 PM

I'd like to preface my previous comment with the notion that I'm not 100% for the voter ID law. I just think the reasons people are giving that are against the law are stupid.

7/13/2015 1:57:50 PM

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"Forcing people to buy products from private business is also unconstitutional. That didn't stop our government. And you know damned well that the liberals would be out in force to make sure that every Tom, Dick, Harry and Jane would get bussed somewhere to get their ID's made. Transportation would NOT be a problem, just like it isn't a problem for them to get to the polls in the first place."

whole lotta Truthiness in that post

it's really not that difficult to look into just how wrong that assertion is

7/13/2015 2:05:46 PM

^^ Fine. Forget the transportation issue.

Requiring the expenditure of funds for the right to vote is illegal and unconstitutional. Period.

7/13/2015 2:14:03 PM

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"Requiring the expenditure of funds for the right to vote is illegal and unconstitutional. Period."

In North Carolina, for example, (or at least Mecklenburg County) there was a proposed bill that would give out free identification cards to any citizen. And you had 3 years to get the card. I'd imagine most people could find the time one day in a 3 year period to get a free ID. So, no expenditure of funds required.

Next

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 2:27 PM. Reason : .]

7/13/2015 2:26:57 PM

Yes -- I thought people who couldn't afford to get the $10 ID would get it for free. And I am certain that the same people who drive around and pick people up to vote could pick people up to obtain an ID. If you can't get to the DMV to get an ID, how are you getting to the polls to vote?

7/13/2015 2:28:48 PM

public transportation

7/13/2015 2:29:37 PM

So why couldn't you use public transportation to get the ID's?

And I feel certain that there are ways worked into the bill to either get it for free, or get it reimbursed.

7/13/2015 2:32:41 PM

Which is still available to people who need to get an ID.

7/13/2015 2:32:53 PM

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" It might be easy to say "drive down to the DMV and get the card," but what if you don't have a car? If you have to take a day off work to ride two buses across town to the DMV, the already-illegal poll tax goes from $10 for the card to $70 in lost wages."

7/13/2015 2:34:18 PM

Pretty sure you have to have an ID to prove you're eligible to work in this state. So I doubt you're discussing lost wages here.

And again, the same people who bus voters to the polls will bus voters to get IDs.

Also:

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"The North Carolina General Assembly passed a bill on Thursday allowing voters who do not have government-issued photo identification to still vote in next year's elections by signing an affidavit and presenting alternate forms of ID."

And yes -- they are free to anyone who needs one: http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/driver/id/

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 2:42 PM. Reason : ]

7/13/2015 2:39:15 PM

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"How do you cash your check for that job without an ID in the first place"

7/13/2015 2:39:50 PM

The DMV was supposed to give out free IDs, but then they didn't and were allegedly charging people in some circumstances. Atleast, that's what conservatives claimed the reasoning was behind the NCGA weakening the law recently:

http://dailyhaymaker.com/?p=11694

7/13/2015 2:45:10 PM

I'm not sure you could have found a more credible source.

7/13/2015 2:51:36 PM

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"So why couldn't you use public transportation to get the ID's?"

You could. But that costs money and places an undue burden on the applicant, which constitutes a poll tax.

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"The DMV was supposed to give out free IDs, but then they didn't and were allegedly charging people in some circumstances."

On top of that, you have to register to vote to get the ID, and the DMV was just prosecuted for not actually sending in the voter registrations of people who registered at DMV offices.

7/13/2015 2:53:20 PM

I still don't understand why somebody has to take off a day from work to get an ID, when they need an ID to cash their checks from said job. Or if they do not work, they need an ID to receive their government assistance.

Care to address that glaring hole in your argument?

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 3:03 PM. Reason : maybe they have direct deposit. oh wait, they need an ID to open a bank account]

7/13/2015 2:59:49 PM

You can not get a photo ID in person anymore, you have to wait for the mail which takes 7-10 days. This could potentially cost your ability to vote in an election.

Unconstitutional.

7/13/2015 3:16:28 PM

Doesn't go into effect until 2016. That 7-10 day waiting period would surely be resolved by then.

7/13/2015 3:18:13 PM

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"You can not get a photo ID in person anymore, you have to wait for the mail which takes 7-10 days. This could potentially cost your ability to vote in an election. Unconstitutional."

yeah? You must register 30 days prior to an election or you don't get to vote? Unconstitutional?

7/13/2015 3:20:16 PM

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"Doesn't go into effect until 2016. That 7-10 day waiting period would surely be resolved by then."

That's no excuse for an unconstitutional law. Sorry.

7/13/2015 3:21:10 PM

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"I still don't understand why somebody has to take off a day from work to get an ID, when they need an ID to cash their checks from said job."

Not everyone is paid by check.

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"maybe they have direct deposit. oh wait, they need an ID to open a bank account"

Not everyone has a bank account.

7/13/2015 3:23:23 PM

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"I still don't understand why somebody has to take off a day from work to get an ID, when they need an ID to cash their checks from said job."

I deposit checks in my account all the time without being required to show ID.

Other people/groups deposit money in my account all the time without my ID being involved (including my employer)

Plenty of people get paid in cash.

Your logic is fucked.

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"maybe they have direct deposit. oh wait, they need an ID to open a bank account"

Sure, to open it. Having something once does not mean you always have it

7/13/2015 3:25:06 PM

more like EFTTwista10

7/13/2015 3:26:11 PM

I vote to the left, and I've also been a chief judge of a few elections. I have zero problem with requiring some form of identity. The bullshit statistics about voter fraud are horribly flawed. It is nearly impossible to detect. I could vote in several places with absolutely no problem, if I so desired, as I know friends that have moved and are still on the NC registered voter list. It happens more than you think.

The voter ID is just as much, however, about the integrity of the election, and not just getting rid of fraud. People need to be able to trust that these results are legitimate, and for there to be little to no cause to doubt an outcome.

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 3:29 PM. Reason : .]

7/13/2015 3:28:27 PM

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"That's no excuse for an unconstitutional law. Sorry."

You've yet to articulate why it's unconstitutional.

7/13/2015 3:29:01 PM

He's not going to be able to... There are already wait time requirements to be able to vote.

And I believe in the new law (I could be wrong), if someone shows up and doesn't have an ID, they can vote provisionally, and that vote will be counted when they bring proof.

The one big thing that is always pushed in training, is that EVERYONE votes, even people that didn't follow the rules, and those provisional ballots are reviewed after the election.

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 3:32 PM. Reason : .]

7/13/2015 3:30:19 PM

Poll taxes violate the 14th Amendment.

7/13/2015 3:31:42 PM

And how is this a poll tax?

7/13/2015 3:33:11 PM

My logic is fucked because of people who get paid cash under the table. k

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"I deposit checks in my account all the time without being required to show ID."

Try to cash that same check with a teller who doesn't know you by name and see how that works out

depositing checks != cashing checks. nice strawman though.

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 3:35 PM. Reason : .]

7/13/2015 3:33:49 PM

Except free IDs are already available. Where is the tax?

7/13/2015 3:34:05 PM

Good primer on all the ways you can vote...

http://democracy-nc.org/downloads/HowToGetID.pdf

7/13/2015 3:35:19 PM

I think they will only be satisfied when people don't have to spend any money at all ever to get an ID and vote. So, free bus fare for everyone. Free taxis to the polling place. Reimburse people for time they have to take off work. Better yet, just make voting day a mandatory paid holiday. Or, we could send people out to peoples' houses, so they don't even have to spend money to get dressed that day.

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 3:36 PM. Reason : ]

7/13/2015 3:35:35 PM

It is unconstitutional to enact a ban on people registering prior to their 18th birthday, then have a 30 day waiting period in effect at the same time. The result is voting age adults being banned from voting.

7/13/2015 3:37:19 PM

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"The State Board of Elections is working with transportation providers throughout North Carolina to provide transportation to registered voters who need assistance obtaining their free Photo ID card from the DMV or their supporting documentation, like a birth or marriage certificate. Please click here to find a local transportation provider that can provide transportation or contact the SBE’s Voter Outreach Team at VoterOutreach.sboe@ncsbe.gov for more assistance."

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"If you have a medical condition and are unable to get to the DMV to obtain a free Photo ID card for voting purposes, please keep in mind that mail-in absentee voters and curbside voters are not required to show photo identification. To learn more about mail-in absentee voting, click here. You may also be able to schedule a home visit from the DMV. If you qualify, DMV can send a Field Inspector to your home to assist you with obtaining an ID card. To learn more or to schedule an appointment, please contact your local DMV office. "

^Why can't you register to vote prior to 18 if you will be 18 by the time of the election? That's what the law says...

http://www.ncvoter.org/registering-to-vote/

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"* A 17 year old may register and vote in the Primary if he or she will be 18 on the day of the General Election."

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"If you turn 18 after the deadline for registration, you can still submit a registration form to either a member of the county board of elections or a precinct judge on Election Day.[3] You can also vote in a primary election if you will be 18 by the next general election.[4] "

[Edited on July 13, 2015 at 3:50 PM. Reason : ]

7/13/2015 3:43:03 PM

So there really isn't a good reason to be against this law.

7/13/2015 3:45:13 PM

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"So there really isn't a good reason to be against this law."

You forgot [/thread]

7/13/2015 3:46:48 PM

If you read the laws that Beethoven has posted, then yeah, pretty much.

7/13/2015 3:52:40 PM

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"I still don't understand why somebody has to take off a day from work to get an ID, when they need an ID to cash their checks from said job. Or if they do not work, they need an ID to receive their government assistance. Care to address that glaring hole in your argument?"

Good Call!

I see the abilty to help eliminate voter fraud as greatly outweighing the .001% that does not drink alcohol (need ID), does not drive, lives in
some bumfuck area where they can't even use mass transit to reach a DMV, and gets paid under the table in cash.
Creating the one scenario where someone who wants to vote can somehow survive in the modern era without any sort
of personnal identification.

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"Not everyone has a bank account."

Do you not need ID to for "check cashing" at your pay-day loan places?

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"I deposit checks in my account all the time without being required to show ID."

I bet you had some sort of ID (including passport) when you openned the above bank account you crying political correct hyper liberal douche.

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"Poll taxes violate the 14th Amendment. "

What poll tax? Getting an ID isn't a poll tax. Besides if you can't afford $10 for an ID like I said (ignoring that NC is giving out ID's)
than perhaps you need to spend my time pan-handling.

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"It is unconstitutional to enact a ban on people registering prior to their 18th birthday, then have a 30 day waiting period in effect at the same time. The result is voting age adults being banned from voting."

I actually agree that the 30 day grace period thing is bullshit and that if you are 18 you should be able to vote. Seems like a good way
for the Republicans to eliminate a month's worth of competition from a demographic that is likely heavily for the other side.

7/13/2015 3:53:44 PM

So how soon can we expect absentee voters to be required to take a picture of themselves holding their ID, with the holograms showing, when they send in their request for a ballot? Currently, they only need an old utility bill. Seems like absentee vote stuffing is the easiest and most probably form of voter fraud.

7/13/2015 3:58:48 PM

Ok I will go along with the law if you have to show photo ID to a notary to vote via absentee ballot. There is nothing in place right now to keep all the old republican voters from requesting an absentee ballot for their whole household and voting for them. This is obviously a threat to voting security.

The absentee voters should have to appear in person in front of a notary public to get their photo ID verified and send the notarized absentee ballot in for it to be counted.

7/13/2015 4:01:45 PM