i hear that it is horrific.


Can we discuss this in a non-soapbox way?

7/16/2015 12:48:32 PM

i heard it gets hotter than a hootchie cootchie

7/16/2015 12:56:27 PM

moon pies

7/16/2015 1:24:37 PM

Tennessee

7/16/2015 1:26:08 PM

It would appear that they have the situation under control

7/16/2015 1:40:45 PM

5 dead: 4 Marines and the 1 gunman

Investigation being treated as an act of domestic terrorism. FBI, ATF, and local agencies all involved in the investigation.

[Edited on July 16, 2015 at 3:06 PM. Reason : From WRAL]

7/16/2015 3:01:57 PM

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"A shooter who attacked military centers in separate parts of Chattanooga, Tennessee, killing four members of the military, was identified as Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez on Thursday, according to CBS and NBC News. NBC’s Pete Williams said the suspect is believed to be originally from Kuwait. One witness described the shooter as “white” to the Times Free Press. “He was driving a silver, convertible Mustang — a white guy,” said Toscano Italian Grill co-owner Mohamed Elbardissy. Authorities held a press conference Thursday afternoon, and District Attorney William C. “Bill” Killian said the FBI was leading the investigation and that the incident was being investigated as “an act of domestic terrorism,” but later clarified that the motivations of the crime were as of yet unclear. The identities of the victims has not yet been released, and authorities said one police officer was injured during law enforcement’s effort to stop the shooter. Police say the suspect is dead. Gov. Bill Haslam (R) offered his condolences. "

http://heavy.com/news/2015/07/muhammad-youssef-abdulazeez-chattanooga-shooter-shooting-shot-killed-marines-recruiting-center-islam-muslim-terrorism-photos-facebook-twitter-age-bio/

7/16/2015 4:36:44 PM

7/16/2015 6:10:50 PM

Yup, definitely looks like a domestic terrorist.

Where's his Confederate flag? We need to find some internet pictures with him holding a couple, so we can put that last nail in the Stone Mtn coffin.

7/16/2015 6:17:51 PM

^ he does share a lot in common with the confederacy, and if you're suggesting we as a society shouldn't support extremists then I agree.

7/16/2015 10:16:51 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDB-vJ3uRhU

He was in MMA apparently.

7/16/2015 10:30:08 PM

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"who was arrested on a drunken-driving charge... he mused about submitting to Allah."

Seems like he wasn't that good at submitting considering Islam frowns on drinking.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/17/us/chattanooga-shooting-suspect-was-ordinary-boy-neighbors-recall.html?_r=0

[Edited on July 16, 2015 at 10:52 PM. Reason : ]

7/16/2015 10:30:58 PM

Getting punched in the head apparently isn't good.

7/16/2015 11:31:20 PM

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"^ he does share a lot in common with the confederacy, and if you're suggesting we as a society shouldn't support extremists then I agree. "

You're right, ISIS is essentially the modern day confederacy.

7/17/2015 12:04:05 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/17/us/chattanooga-mosque-where-gunman-worshiped-mourns-marines.html


chattanooga-mosque-where-gunman-worshiped-mourns-marines

7/17/2015 1:09:36 AM

LOL @ BigMan157

7/17/2015 4:12:08 AM

Are you suggesting the tn atate capital should no longer fly the isis flag? That flag represents islam, not isis...

7/17/2015 4:12:55 AM

^^^Is that link supposed to be relevant to anything? Of course they're going to mourn the marines. They would bring a shitstorm upon themselves if they did anything else.

[Edited on July 17, 2015 at 7:09 AM. Reason : df]

7/17/2015 7:09:02 AM

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"Seems like he wasn't that good at submitting considering Islam frowns on drinking."

Probably thought killing 4 infidels would make Allah look past the drinking.
"Two wrongs don't make a right." -The Koran Probably

7/17/2015 8:35:22 AM

The bodies of the 9 Charleston victims weren't even cold before news outlets were attempting to tie Roof to conservatives. It didn't take long for them to find out that he was a racist.

Fast forward to today. We're urged to use caution in our judgement as to whether this guy is a radical Islamist.

7/17/2015 1:20:37 PM

the only thing i'm hearing from my liberal friends on facebook is OMG GUN CONTROL...

gun control CONTRIBUTED to these killings... the marines were unarmed because they were in a "gun free zone" and couldn't defend themselves... i guess they should have had a bigger sign so muhammad would have seen it and left his weapon?

7/17/2015 2:31:03 PM

but is this TERRORISM or TERRORISM

that's what I want to know

the American people deserve to know

[Edited on July 17, 2015 at 2:36 PM. Reason : something something Obama]

7/17/2015 2:35:58 PM

So the fact that they're classifying the investigation as a terrorism investigation means they can pull in a lot of resources that wouldn't be available if it was treated as a "normal" criminal investigation.



[Edited on July 17, 2015 at 3:31 PM. Reason : ,]

7/17/2015 3:30:19 PM

What a senseless and unfortunate situation

7/17/2015 3:37:25 PM

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"The bodies of the 9 Charleston victims weren't even cold before news outlets were attempting to tie Roof to conservatives. It didn't take long for them to find out that he was a racist. Fast forward to today. We're urged to use caution in our judgement as to whether this guy is a radical Islamist. "

Ha are you kidding...? The charleston guy said, as he was killing people, why he was doing it. There were pictures of him spitting on the American flag, glorifying the rebel flag. He had a manifesto on a website.

This muslim in Tennessee, while it most likely was some effort to fight for Islam, doesn't have any direct or indirect evidence for a motive, other than he was muslim. Unless some new evidence has come out, it really is just speculation he was an islamist, where we had direct proof from the beginning why the charelston shooter did his thing.

It's funny how far the Fox News types will stretch things to make it seem like they are just as victimized and vilified as blacks are by the media/police.

7/17/2015 3:43:14 PM

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"direct or indirect evidence for a motive, other than he was muslim"

A muslim that has made several trips to the middle east, including trips to Yemen and Jordan, both under the radar of DHS.

Nope, nothing to see here people, move along.

7/17/2015 4:07:48 PM

^ this guy wasnt on any terror lists so nobody was tracking his movements.

7/17/2015 4:15:08 PM

^^

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" Unless some new evidence has come out"

7/17/2015 4:25:50 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/people-shot-maine-communities-gunman-sought-32514491
2 Dead, 3 Wounded in Shootings [rampage] in Northern Maine

7/17/2015 7:10:04 PM

^^^You practice Islam, you have an Arabic name, and you travel several times to the middle east. That should raise flags.

I honestly believe there is something to profiling. Profiling could have prevented this tragedy.

7/17/2015 7:42:21 PM

^you're a racist southerner that frequents right wing conservative news sites. Probably a klansman, which is a group of domestic terrorists.

See how profiling works?

7/17/2015 7:58:43 PM

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" You practice Islam, you have an Arabic name, and you travel several times to the middle east"

LOL.

I'm not finding he travelled several times, only he made 1 long trip (which itself isn't that suspicious either, lots of people make prolonged trips to other countries).

But you DO realize 90% of the people who travel to the middle east have an arabic name, and practice Islam? Because that's most of the people that live there o.O
That in no way is a useful criteria for finding a terrorist. I'm not seeing anything so far they could have "profiled" for to determine he was up to no good.

They probably could have scanned his emails and phone calls and websites, but it doesn't seem the NSA is at the level yet where they're able to snoop this info in real time and act on it.

The main thing that would have stopped this is if someone he knew recognized he was acting sketchy, and reported him. This has probably been the most effective way we've found terrorists so far.

7/17/2015 8:05:41 PM

Eh, there's probably a file on me based on my family alone. And if the feds keeping a file on me keeps everybody else safe at night, so be it.

But if it quacks like a duck...

BTW, I don't frequent right wing news sights. I go to one, fox, alongside CNN, and I'm pretty sure I post links here to more CNN articles than Fox articles. Besides, your attempt at profiling failed the instant you started your sentence out with "you're a racist." That isn't profiling. Profiling is based on demographics and activity. Profile me on my website hits and associations with people, but you started with "you're a racist."

And for the record, I'm not a racist.

[Edited on July 17, 2015 at 8:08 PM. Reason : ad]

7/17/2015 8:06:51 PM

^"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

7/17/2015 10:02:54 PM

^^ Well, now we know how you really feel. You know what they say about making assumptions....perhaps I could apply the same logic and assume that a conservative, christian, Caucasian living in the south is a racist.

[Edited on July 17, 2015 at 10:03 PM. Reason : a]

7/17/2015 10:03:15 PM

He was originally a Queti.

[Edited on July 17, 2015 at 10:19 PM. Reason : ]

7/17/2015 10:18:23 PM

Now the .gov is saying he has no ties to Islamic terrorists and this was not inspired by them....
Just some good ol fashion mass murder (as also defined by .gov as 4 or more victims)..nothing to see here....

7/17/2015 10:47:20 PM

7/17/2015 11:50:04 PM

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""Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.""

I always wondered if people applied that to gun control as well.

7/17/2015 11:57:34 PM

Franklin Graham doing his best to make sure that he's known as an awful human being

keep up the awfulness, Franklin

7/18/2015 2:48:40 AM

Another serviceman died

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/us/tennessee-naval-reserve-shooting/index.html

7/18/2015 8:52:43 AM

^^^yes. Some people do, but they are probably the moderates of gun control. Those who don't mind guns being legal just want sane laws in terms of licensing/purchasing/transferring.

[Edited on July 18, 2015 at 9:05 AM. Reason : .]

7/18/2015 9:00:27 AM

^^^Eh, we wouldn't be the first, or last, country that picks and chooses who we let in.

7/18/2015 9:11:01 AM

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"^^^You practice Islam, you have an Arabic name, and you travel several times to the middle east. That should raise flags. I honestly believe there is something to profiling. Profiling could have prevented this tragedy."

This is beyond stupid, do you have any idea how many people in this country are Muslim, have an Arabic name, and visit the Middle East? My coworker who fits all of those just got back from Pakistan visiting family and is one of the nicest human beings I have ever met. What are we supposed to do, keep a tail on him 24/7? Do that with every single other Muslim in this country that has visited the Middle East? This is just as dumb as the arguments the liberals make about gun control after something like the Charleston shooting.

If anything, this should be another unfortunate example of the fact that we should probably allow our service men and women the ability to defend themselves while on base. We let them carry serious ordinance in the field and they can carry a weapon in states that allow concealed carry but for some reason when they are on base we can't trust them.

7/18/2015 10:15:07 AM

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"This is beyond stupid"

You have to consider the source here.

7/18/2015 10:27:52 AM

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"If anything, this should be another unfortunate example of the fact that we should probably allow our service men and women the ability to defend themselves while on base. We let them carry serious ordinance in the field and they can carry a weapon in states that allow concealed carry but for some reason when they are on base we can't trust them. "

There must be a reason the military has long-standing rules to keep weapons locked up. I'd guess to reduce smuggling, or something to do with PTSD and the high suicide rate. I think we'd want to know how these rules came to be before saying they need to be tossed out.

Maybe not to send the impression that we're at a state of war domestically?

[Edited on July 18, 2015 at 3:22 PM. Reason : ]

7/18/2015 3:21:52 PM

I'm not saying let them carry a SAW around the base but I don't see anything wrong with a sidearm being allowed. This is hardly the first time a shooting has occurred on military property where our service men and women are sitting ducks because they cannot have a loaded firearm. If we trust these same people overseas and other places with serious ordinance or just allow them to conceal carry in the states why not let them on base? This would be like disarming cops in a police station.

7/18/2015 3:53:20 PM

No, it really wouldn't.

Most military members are not combat troops, they are not trained for it. In addition, both Fort Hood shootings occurred (2009 and 2014) were done by troops themselves, so it's not like it would have been any harder for them to get uniforms and cause more confusion.

The first thing that needs to happen in the event of a hostile situation like this is threat identification, the MPs/SPs/Whatever (military cops) need to be able to quickly identify who is the hostile shooter, when you give everyone a weapon, it makes it harder. Military cops are also trained to handle these situations better than your average troop.

Take me for instance, I was a munitions troop, so I handled more ordinance than pretty much anything. I worked with bomb, missiles, ready to fire shoulder mounted rockets, bullets, firearms, etc...fucking everything pretty much. However, just because I could be trusted with that, doesn't mean I'd be helpful in that situation with SPs trying to sort things out.

The fact remains, that domestic terrorism on military targets seldom happen (name any besides this one, and the two Fort Hood attacks) while active duty suicide happens on a MUCH more regular basis (268 in 2014).

7/18/2015 4:10:43 PM

The Navy Yard shooting? Wasn't that a gun free zone as well?

7/18/2015 4:44:51 PM

Pretty sure that was mostly federal contractors so your military argument wouldn't apply

7/18/2015 5:01:22 PM