some clerk is refusing to issue the marriage licenses here in marion, fox carolina is here to cover the story

religious zealots at work already squawking about it. I think im gonna leave early today

9/10/2015 2:45:52 PM

and a double post wtf

9/10/2015 2:46:51 PM

the separation of church and state is a fundamental ideal of our government*
*Excluding faggotry

-Ben Franklin

9/10/2015 2:51:08 PM

But we got this: http://www.wral.com/nc-gay-marriage-opt-out-written-to-avoid-kentucky-style-impasse/14874577/

*grabs popcorn*

9/10/2015 4:04:13 PM

Here's the only article I could find on it. http://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2015/09/10/mcdowell-magistrates-refuse-perform-marriages/72018392/

Its not just a clerk, its all four McDowell County magistrates. Also, because the NC Opt Out Law is in effect, they can't issue licenses to anyone, gay or straight, for 6 months.

Magistrates from Rutherford county are having to come in to fill in the gaps.

I can't wait for this firestorm to get going. Right now it seems the slackjaws are mainly focused on gay marriage, but if their twisted logic takes root I wouldn't be surprised to see more government employees refusing to do their jobs because of religious beliefs.

9/10/2015 4:28:45 PM

If your religion prevents you from doing the job you signed up to do, then don't job.

9/10/2015 4:58:28 PM

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"If your religion prevents you from doing the job you signed up to do, then don't job."

I would assume that when these people started their jobs, gay marriage becoming legal prolly wasn't even something that was thought of ever happening.

9/10/2015 5:15:34 PM

This whole fucking thing is so retarded and it give me such a headache.

I knew this was going to happen. as soon as the bitch in Ky started to get attention i thought to myself "Yeah I could that going down here" and sure enough, a few days later here we are. I knew my backwards ass county wouldn't let me down

9/10/2015 5:18:15 PM

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" then don't job"

^^^It is possible that a lot of people were appointed/elected into these positions prior to the Supreme Court case that overturned same-sex marriage bans. It doesn't make what they are doing right, but they may have signed up for the job without an understanding that some day they would need to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples.

I hope somewhere out there a Sheriff converts to Buddhism, Sihkism or some other non-violence religion and refuses to issue permits for firearms or conceal carry because it violates his new found religious beliefs.

Maybe Cherrie Berry will convert to Amish and she'll stop issuing certifications for elevators.

[Edited on September 10, 2015 at 5:32 PM. Reason : ]

9/10/2015 5:32:01 PM

^

I think that's what kills me about the whole thing. The fact that you can't suddenly just allow people to pick and choose what laws they want to obey based on what religion they happen to claim be, seems like such a simple and obvious conclusion. Yet for some people it may as well be light years away.

9/10/2015 5:52:49 PM

^^,^^^^

Very few job descriptions mention the requirement of heterosexuality, or the disqualification due to homosexuality. In Kim Davis' case, hers was to issue marriage licenses to those applicants meeting the legal requirements to receive said license. It was never her job to judge, condone, approve, or do otherwise; it was simply to check boxes and give people a piece of paper.

9/11/2015 8:52:28 AM

her beef is with her name being on that piece of paper. just remove the name and allow a stamp for the office title and this problem should go away.

9/11/2015 9:22:59 AM

I feel 0 feels for her. Her role is nothing but an administrative bureaucrat to check boxes on a piece of paper to ensure legal requirements are met. Her signature is provided only to validate that the certificate is legal. Her religion has nothing to do with it, except that she wants to force her beliefs on others. And the last article I read, she wanted more than her name removed - she didn't want the county clerk or clerk's office referenced on certificates at all. Fuck this woman.

9/11/2015 9:27:28 AM

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"her beef is with her name being on that piece of paper. just remove the name and allow a stamp for the office title and this problem should go away."

Ahahahahaa, right.

I have a really hard time understanding any of these people with their supposedly passionate beliefs. Religion does so much to retard human progress.

9/11/2015 9:34:57 AM

I don't care if them niggers go to school, just not my kid's school

I don't care if we help them raghead refugees, just not in my state or with my money


AMIRITE?

[Edited on September 11, 2015 at 9:38 AM. Reason : .]

9/11/2015 9:37:05 AM

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"I would assume that when these people started their jobs, gay marriage becoming legal prolly wasn't even something that was thought of ever happening."

but her oath is to the law, so if the law changes that you can no longer uphold your oath and execute the responsibilities of your position then your only option is to resign. no part of her oath or duties allow her to decide that she only gets to do what she wants.

9/11/2015 1:44:09 PM

^What law changed?

The Kentucky and US Constitutions say the same thing today as they did six months ago.

9/11/2015 2:42:44 PM

Legal interpretation of the law was adjudicated. And that interpretation is enforceable.

9/11/2015 2:46:52 PM

Interpretation is enforceable if the enforcer enforces it.

The Supreme Court does not have carte blanche to interpret however it wishes, on anything it wishes, with universal jurisdiction and with no recourse for other branches, lower courts, or states.

[Edited on September 11, 2015 at 2:53 PM. Reason : a]

9/11/2015 2:51:57 PM

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" ^What law changed? The Kentucky and US Constitutions say the same thing today as they did six months ago"

Except the same-sex marriage ban, that was struck down in June.

When Davis was elected she took a job that had no conflict between her duties and her beliefs. After all she was just handing marriage licenses over to happy young hetero couples who were set off on making more Jesus-loving babies and state law forbid gay people from hassling her.

June 26 however her duties changed, and rather than quit, which would have been the appropriate bigoted reaction, she decided to take the coward's path and opt out of her duties.

9/11/2015 3:39:41 PM

No, the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Kentucky still states:

"Only a marriage between one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in Kentucky. A legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be valid or recognized."

The Supreme Court went outside their jurisdiction, and then ruled completely contrary to the clear intent of the laws under question.

Some say the law needed to be changed. Fine, then the law should be changed...by a legislature, not a court with invented meanings with complete disregard for jurisdiction or judicial prudence of any kind.

That's exactly the kind of thing that states and elected officials exist to prevent.

If you want same-sex marriage bans to be unconstitutional, then put on big-boy pants and amend the US Constitution to your liking. You don't get to just wave a magic interpretive wand to get your desired result.

[Edited on September 11, 2015 at 4:00 PM. Reason : a]

9/11/2015 3:58:45 PM

Anyone else find the irony that by cites "religious freedom" as an excuse for denying a homosexual couple with the freedom to marry

Obviously by signing this marriage certificate, Kim Davis will be forced to enter a lesbian marital arrangement. Perhaps though this will work out then her previous 3 marriages; i'm so glad she is out there to defend the sanctity of marriage.

I wonder how Jesus feels about her bastard babies?

9/11/2015 4:11:42 PM

I'm sorry the school system failed you so poorly. You're understanding of the 3 branches of government is troubling.

The supreme court struck down the same-sex marriages bans because it denied citizens rights guaranteed to them under the constitution with the fourteenth ammendment.

The Governor of Kentucky immediately announced that they would comply and order magistrates and clerks to issue licenses to same-sex couples.

The supreme court exists specifically for these cases. Its easy enough to pass laws that discriminate and exploit minority groups and its another thing entirely to get them removed.

9 judges, hand picked by past presidents and approved by past congresses voted to overturn an unconstitutional law. Davis, an elected government official, doesn't get to decide which laws she's comfortable enforcing despite Federal AND State officials telling her otherwise.

9/11/2015 4:17:59 PM

Using the 14th amendment in this case is a blatant abuse of language, intent, context, and anything else that ought to inform jurisprudence. It is clear judicial over-reach, and a ruling formed exclusively by the social policy of the justices and is not in any way based on fact or law. The Supreme Court may err on fact or law, but they tossed those completely out the window, along with the dictionary and any notion of boundaries.

So, same-sex marriage bans are wrong. That's great. Pass a law banning them. Pass the ultimate law banning them in the Constitution. Do something with a legislature, because you are looking to change the law.

The Supreme Court did not even attempt to interpret the 14th amendment. The 14th amendment was a convenient excuse. It amended the Constitution, and it doesn't have the authority to do that.

9/11/2015 4:40:06 PM

Then there is the issue of judges ruling on same-sex marriage bans after performing same-sex marriages themselves. Yeah, no need to recuse on that one...

9/11/2015 4:51:32 PM

K, I get it now....you're just trolling. No one can be this obtuse unless its deliberate.

9/11/2015 4:53:26 PM

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"Years from now, I imagine, Kim Davis will dig through her dresser and find a powder-blue, stretchy long-sleeved shirt staring back at her. And she’ll remember wearing it as she walked out of the jailhouse to Eye of the Tiger, thrusting her arms in the air in a fog of ecclesiastical bliss, as dozens of people clapped their hands...for her. They were all clapping for her. Was that the best day of my life? she’ll wonder and the question will leave her cold, because maybe it was. Which is all to say, as long as people are paying attention, Kim Davis—the Kentucky clerk who won’t do her job but refuses to resign—isn’t going anywhere. “If I resign, I lose my voice. Why should I have to quit a job that I love, that I’m good at?” Davis—an issuer of marriage licenses who is, I think we can all agree, very bad at her job—told Megyn Kelly. “It just comes back to, you know, they can accommodate for all sorts of other issues, and we ask for one simple accommodation and we cannot receive it,” said Davis, who has issues with gay people. “I mean, it just doesn’t seem right.” “So you have millions of Christians who object to this whole same-sex marriage issue,” Davis argues. “Are their rights invalid? Are their rights not worth anything? I mean, it’s a valid point and it’s a fight worth fighting for.” And while we’re at it, how about the millions of white supremacists who object to this whole reconstruction issue? Are the neo Nazis’ rights invalid? Are their rights not worth anything? Davis didn’t say, but also didn’t not say. Jail: not necessarily the best thing, but certainly not the worst thing—ok it’s probably the best thing—that’s ever happened to Kim Davis."

http://gawker.com/kim-davis-i-wont-resign-because-this-attention-is-all-1732784563

9/24/2015 12:33:32 PM

http://roygbiv.jezebel.com/kim-daviss-lone-gay-friend-were-not-actually-friends-1732999815

9/25/2015 3:26:15 PM

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"gawker.com jezebel.com synapse post"

9/25/2015 4:39:27 PM

Haha yup pretty much I actually looked at this one when I pasted it and was like...well shit this one isn't a gawker link...guess i only read the first part of that URL

I <3 Gawker media.

9/25/2015 5:11:59 PM