Current death toll is 87. Crane collapse into the largest mosque in Mecca as the hajj begins later this month.

http://www.wral.com/saudi-arabia-62-dead-in-crane-collapse-at-mecca-mosque/14891954/

9/11/2015 2:48:51 PM

On 9/11? And 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudi citizens.... coincidence?

9/11/2015 2:53:08 PM

AND THEY USED CRANES TO BUILD THE TWIN TOWERS

9/11/2015 3:05:32 PM

Crane collapses can't melt steel beams...

9/11/2015 3:07:44 PM

Apparently, the crane was operated by Bin Laden firm.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3231117/At-62-people-dead-crane-collapses-Grand-Mosque-Mecca.html

9/11/2015 3:30:45 PM

is it finally....time to terrorize the terrorists?

9/11/2015 5:32:29 PM

couldnt have happened to a nicer bunch of sand niggers

9/11/2015 6:03:01 PM

The Hajj starts 9/21. It's a good thing this happened prior to that, otherwise it would've been much worse.

9/11/2015 6:15:45 PM

obligatory, "Yeah, fuck those dunecoons".

Ignorance aside, having been to Mecca a few times myself, this could have been much, much worse had this been during Hajj. But it's really sad that 87 died.

[Edited on September 11, 2015 at 6:29 PM. Reason : .]

9/11/2015 6:29:31 PM

Has anyone there thought to run a structural analysis on Masjid Al-Haram? Not that people caused the crane to collapse, but my god, look at all the people in there.



The spirit of Allah will hold our weight.

[Edited on September 11, 2015 at 6:58 PM. Reason : k]

9/11/2015 6:51:19 PM

Thank goodness cnn has comments disabled

9/11/2015 9:17:36 PM

^^ insha'Allah

9/11/2015 9:43:54 PM

^ LOL awesome

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"Crane collapses can't melt steel beams..."

But lightning can melt cranes!!! Second link ITT shows crane hit by lightning just before it collapsed, plus there were extremely strong winds and rain.

The death toll is up to 107 now.

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"Has anyone there thought to run a structural analysis on Masjid Al-Haram? Not that people caused the crane to collapse, but my god, look at all the people in there."

The structure is fine - no part of the permanent structure has ever crashed or caused deaths, as far as I know. The government spends a lot of money on the building and expansion (current phase about $20 billion) using international experts and engineers. What does cause deaths every few years during Hajj is stampedes.

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"Thank goodness cnn has comments disabled"

Just checked out some comments in the second link ITT. Clicked on "Best Rated" and "Worst Rated".

The best rated comment:

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"Sarahew88, Liberty Texas, United States, 11 hours ago On September 11th."

Has 10,031 upvotes and 2,432 downvotes


Most of the "Worst Rated" comments are people expressing sympathy, and they have garnered ~1,000-2,000 upvotes and 2,000-5,000 downvotes.


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I am really surprised that so many TWWers know about the Grand Mosque, Hajj, etc. Down here in Louisiana many people don't even know about Saudi Arabia!

9/12/2015 2:07:30 AM

Another structural collapse on September 11th brought to you by the bin Laden family.

9/12/2015 9:50:28 AM

I bet it was Allah punishing them for letting a woman walk by with her forearms exposed

9/12/2015 10:48:58 AM

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"I am really surprised that so many TWWers know about the Grand Mosque, Hajj, etc."

Sad that's surprising.

I'm not saying it's not surprising (maybe not on TWW...but prob would be surprising in the broader American population)...just that it's sad.

9/12/2015 12:08:48 PM

^ yeah probably not surprising for tww, after all, tww is full of geniuses

but yes, for the broader american population, it would be surprising, and in the south, shocking! yes, 'tis sad.

9/12/2015 2:33:23 PM

I'm not saying TWW is full of geniuses, haha...just saying it's a college educated population, and with some more savvy than even average for that population.

(of course there are plenty of dumbasses, too)

9/12/2015 2:51:29 PM

lol that's what i meant too, i just said it a bit sarcastically, remembering the "what's your SAT score" threads where so many users report in the 1300-1450 range and yet the NCSU average is 1150 or 1200

9/12/2015 2:53:34 PM

9/12/2015 3:36:04 PM

wait... is this some sort of terrorist gathering place? shouldn't we be celebrating this?

9/12/2015 6:55:54 PM

I looked for about three min for a mecca sports wear shirt picture to post and couldn't find one

9/12/2015 7:55:36 PM

The Latest: Saudis say 717 dead in hajj stampede
http://www.wral.com/the-latest-saudis-say-220-dead-in-hajj-stampede/14922547/

9/24/2015 9:37:04 AM

I just really do not understand this. I am an ex-muslim, and have been to these places and experienced these types of people and situations, but I still don't understand WHY this happens. I understand being "driven" by the opportunity and feeling that comes over you when you are in the presence of such a holy place and what it means for you and your religion, but why can people not have the decency and human compassion to not stampede over other humans?

I pose this question - would the same happen if these were Christian pilgrims?

9/24/2015 9:54:47 AM

9/24/2015 9:56:03 AM

I thought this thread was going to be about

http://www.mecca-restaurant.com/

9/24/2015 9:59:51 AM

^^^ how about seeing The Who in concert?

9/24/2015 10:09:33 AM

A list of other stampeded from wikipedia, although none are on the scale of this recent stamped in Mecca:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_stampedes

A few:

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"June 30, 2000: The Roskilde Festival disaster, in which 9 people were crushed during a Pearl Jam concert at Roskilde Festival, Denmark. February 20, 2003: 100 killed in The Station nightclub fire in Rhode Island, many of them trampled. January 2005: 265 people were killed as Hindu pilgrims stampeded near a remote temple in Maharashtra, India. August 31, 2005: 953 people were killed in a Baghdad bridge stampede. November 28, 2008: A worker died at a Long Island Wal-Mart after being trampled in a Black Friday stampede. May 4, 2010: 63 people were injured when a panic-driven stampede broke out during the Remembrance of the Dead ceremony on Dam Square, Amsterdam. November 1, 2012: 5 girls died in a panic-driven stampede during a Halloween party at a municipal arena of the city of Madrid, Spain.[32] February 8, 2015: 28 people died after a stampede that occurred at a football game in Cairo, Egypt"

9/24/2015 10:18:09 AM

So, what I'm seeing here is that the majority of these are either panic-driven (somewhat justified I suppose) and/or in the middle east/asia.

[Edited on September 24, 2015 at 10:40 AM. Reason : .]

9/24/2015 10:39:44 AM

Yeah, pretty much... although I imagine almost every one is panic driven.

9/24/2015 10:40:33 AM

note to self...if in a large crowd, stay in the back of the stampede.

9/24/2015 10:49:25 AM

Aftermath

https://youtu.be/k-rXUfK4-zM

9/24/2015 11:35:05 AM

so, how do you explain that in religious terms?

[Edited on September 24, 2015 at 11:52 AM. Reason : trampling death toll > crane death toll]

9/24/2015 11:51:25 AM

I don't know how to answer that question.

I was raised Muslim but haven't practiced it or believed in it for more years than I did (that just means I am old lol). But even when I did practice it till my mid teens and believe in it till my late teens, it was only because I grew up in it, not because it made some amazing sense and definitely not because I felt some kind of spiritual connection, such I never did.

While all religions I have looked at have amazing things and injunctions in them, they also all have things that don't make any sense at all, contradictions, and downright wickedness, cruelty, and other similar good stuff.

So, I don't know how to answer that question.

Most tramplings occur in eastern nations, at least I think so. Eastern people definitely have less group-dynamic manners and morals than Western people from my experience in several countries over 2 decades. At the same time, I do wonder if that was all 4 million Western people, how they would have reacted. I think in that case they would have been organized enough to not let a situation arises like that in the first place. What I read said that two large groups of people walking at 90 degrees to each other meet at an interaction, but I don't know why that would lead to stampeding.

9/24/2015 12:26:58 PM

^I totally agree 100%.

I'm glad i'm not the only mid-eastern, muslim raised person who has made these same observations about "our peoples". Easterners most DEFINITELY have less group-dynamic manners and morals in my experiences.

And i'm not ONLY talking about massive groups like at Hajj. I'm also talkin' standing in lines at grocery stores, the race outside to get your sandals at the mosque, etc. They are freaking intense, and annoying.

[Edited on September 24, 2015 at 4:09 PM. Reason : .]

9/24/2015 4:06:34 PM

try being at the airport in Irbil, Iraq. It was a fucking madhouse.

9/24/2015 4:56:42 PM

I.cant fathom how that many people can be trampled with no real threat. It doesnt seem mathematically possible. Are they wearing ice skates

9/24/2015 6:48:56 PM

What sucks is a lot of the people who end up trampled are the people who try to stop and help those who have fallen and just get pushed over themselves by the rest of the assholes who dont give a shit.

9/25/2015 8:47:13 AM

What sucks is this is not the first time, you would think they fix the problems already.

9/25/2015 10:39:25 AM