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"UPDATE: 12:00] More information is beginning to trickle in on the shooter. Congressman Adam Schiff was on CNN earlier claiming that DHS officials had informed him that Seddiqui had already pledged his loyalty to ISIS. Rep. Schiff, who is always cautious, says Dept. of Homeland Security told him Orlando shooter made pledge of allegiance to Islamic State. As usual, take these updates with the typical grain of salt in the early hours, but the hints are dropping that the shooter was already on the radar of US intelligence. I’m seeing even more items popping up behind the curtains which indicate that his father has been attracting a lot of attention as well. (That would be the same father who said this morning that this obviously had nothing to do with religion.) We’ll want further confirmation, of course, but the FBI may be biting into a very big apple on this one. [UPDATE: 11:05] The press has located and spoken to the shooter’s father who has a rather incredible reaction. According to NBC News, Mir Seddiqui (or Seddique) is claiming that of course this has nothing to do with religion and that his son was just really upset over seeing two men kissing."

6/12/2016 12:25:35 PM

Hillary is probably having a nervous breakdown right now, knowing that she's going to have to label this as radical Islamic terrorism to avoid enraging the gay and Hispanic communities.

6/12/2016 12:28:14 PM

Evangelicals must be so conflicted: 50 gays massacred, but a Muslim did it

6/12/2016 12:30:28 PM

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"^^i see that you didn't comment on the guy terrorizing the mosque"

Probably because 50 people weren't murdered?

6/12/2016 12:35:27 PM

Texas keeping it classy, as always



http://m.chron.com/about/article/Texas-Lt-Governor-Dan-Patrick-tweets-reap-what-8076147.php

6/12/2016 1:29:54 PM

So a white dude did this?

6/12/2016 1:37:17 PM

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"Thoughts and prayers oughta do the trick here"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FLGEr1zJYo

Hey, we can do nothing and do like Obama says. Thoughts and prayers.

6/12/2016 2:11:38 PM

Looks like authorities thwarted some potential violent incident at a gay pride parade in LA

6/12/2016 2:20:52 PM

the conservatives are quick to distance themselves from this guy because they don't want anyone to realize how much they have in common

6/12/2016 3:08:26 PM

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"Omar Mir Seddique Mateen,from Afganistan"

born in new york

6/12/2016 3:15:27 PM

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"Mateen was born in New York. His father, Seddique Mateen, who has also been called Mir Seddique, once tried to run for the Afghan presidency and was heavily involved in politics, according to his Facbeook page, which includes photos inside a U.S. State Department office. He has also spoken out against the Pakistani government, and supported the Taliban. “Our brothers in Waziristan, our warrior brothers in Taliban movement and national Afghan Taliban are rising up,” he said in one YouTube video, according to the Washington Post. “Inshallah the Durand Line issue will be solved soon.”"

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"Omar Mateen called 911 just before the shooting and pledged allegiance to ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, NBC News reports. He also mentioned the Tsarnaev brothers, who carried out the Boston Marathon bombing, during the call, CBS News reports. ISIS issued a statement calling Mateen an “Islamic state fighter.”"

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"But The Daily Beast, citing a senior law enforcement source, said Mateen was a person of interest in law enforcement investigations in 2013 and 2014. The news website reports the FBI opened an investigation into Mateen at some point, but closed it “when it produced nothing that appeared to warrant further investigation.”"

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"The shooting happened during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, a time during ISIS has instructed its supporters to carry out terror attacks around the world, according to CNN. A speech on May 21 by ISIS spokesman Abu Muhammad al Adnani, “That They Live By Proof,” called for attacks in the West. You can read the speech here and listen here."

6/12/2016 3:42:15 PM

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"someone shot up a gay club in orlando. dont know who yet but im just gonna leave it here"

6/12/2016 3:51:23 PM

Religion of peace

6/12/2016 4:01:55 PM

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"the conservatives are quick to distance themselves from this guy because they don't want anyone to realize how much they have in common"

Omar Mateen was registered Democrat.

6/12/2016 4:34:36 PM

Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.

6/12/2016 4:43:41 PM

^^ Lmao

All the SJWs so desperate to spin a different narrative out of this.

6/12/2016 4:54:56 PM

Well, "Anti gun regulation" and "Anti gay rights" has been the conservative stance. There is little denying this.

That the guy may have been a democrat doesn't change anything about the conservative stance; nor does it mean conservatives aren't dialing back their rhetoric at this very moment (like is done after every mass shooting). It is a bit too simplistic to assume political leanings are responsible for this attack, in my opinion. I doubt any political leader TOLD this guy to kill a bunch of people.

6/12/2016 5:14:19 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if his dad, a political figure that once ran for president of Afghanistan, may have had some involvement in his decision. Also, "anti gun regulation" is a pretty dumb argument to be pushing when the shooter was a licensed security guard and would have had access to guns even if guns were banned from civilian ownership. Harsh gun laws didn't do shit to protect the victims in Brussels and Paris.

Even liberals are having trouble right now dismissing the outrage over Islamic extremism as "rhetoric" right now, seeing as the attack was targeted at their key demographic. They are realizing they have to choose a side on this issue.

6/12/2016 5:40:43 PM

the proposed watch list gun laws may have prevented him from purchasing the guns

(but there are other problems with that)

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"Even liberals are having trouble right now dismissing the outrage over Islamic extremism as "rhetoric" right now"

Here is why you are dumb. Liberals don't dismiss islamic extremism, they dismiss fat necked mouth breathers like yourself trying to attribute things like this to being an inherent part of islam and associating it with all muslims. go find another fat chick to fuck and stay away from critical thinking you dumb fucking idiotic mouth breathing failure.

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"Omar Mateen was registered Democrat."

hmm, i wonder if there are any reasons in the last few decades why a muslim person might not feel embraced by the grand old party

[Edited on June 12, 2016 at 6:56 PM. Reason : its a fucking mystery]

6/12/2016 6:38:11 PM

he really is the worst

6/12/2016 6:55:25 PM

Kinda crazy he was an active employee of G4S which means he must have gone through rigorous background checks.

He was basically a mercenary...

6/12/2016 6:55:59 PM

These boys is not white!

6/12/2016 7:00:54 PM

dude who got caught before carrying out a worse attack at the LA Pride Festival is pretty fucking white

6/12/2016 7:04:20 PM

and probably also a democrat because obama is a secret muslim and clinton is soft because women are soft and democrats hate american and herr durr i'm retarded

[Edited on June 12, 2016 at 7:08 PM. Reason : idiots]

6/12/2016 7:07:39 PM

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"Santa Monica police continued to search the suspect’s white Acura on Sunday morning. All four of the car’s doors were open and a green blanket, red gasoline canister and several other smaller items were being piled on the sidewalk next to it. The car’s license plate included a symbol of the National Rifle Assn. on the left side and the bottom said, "Teaching Freedom." A Facebook page for a James Wesley Howell living in Indiana included photographs that matched the booking photo released by Santa Monica Police and a white Acura with purple rims and an identical license plate to the car that was searched by Los Angeles-area authorities on Sunday. The page said Howell attended high school in Louisville, Ky., and lives in Jeffersonville, Indiana, where he works for an air filtration company. A car enthusiast, Howell posted numerous photographs of the Acura along with a couple of videos taken from inside cars. Another 10-second video includes gunfire, with shots striking grass. The site includes political posts, including one in which he compares Hillary Clinton to Adolf Hitler. In another, he repeats conspiracy theories that the government was behind notorious terror attacks, including Sept. 11, 2011. That post shares a video claiming that last year’s terror attack on the Paris offices of the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo was a hoax and attributable to the “New World Order.” "

[Edited on June 12, 2016 at 7:11 PM. Reason : ^^^ yup]

6/12/2016 7:11:15 PM

6/12/2016 7:28:31 PM

Crazy that within 24 hours there were two separate plans of two different ideologies to target the same group of people.

The mere fact that a bunch of normal people get targeted because of who they are sexually attracted to is beyond my comprehension..

6/12/2016 7:35:45 PM

But do we really know what Mateen's motivation was regarding his target? Was the gay bar just an easy pick for him? Or did he target it because of its members' sexual orientation? I don't think we know for sure yet.

6/12/2016 10:20:00 PM

He drove two hours out of his way to shoot up a gay club. Pretty sure there were straight clubs closer to him. Besides, his dad already told some story about two dudes kissing.

6/12/2016 10:22:38 PM

It'll be interesting to see how legislative battles regarding gay rights play out after this.

6/12/2016 10:26:44 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-latest-apparent-facebook-page-shows-california-suspect/2016/06/12/b86c6fb4-30fd-11e6-ab9d-1da2b0f24f93_story.html

So it was initially reported he said he was intending to do harm, but now it seems this was not accurate. He was a Bernie bro, as banned from having guns to do a previously legal issue. Seems like this might not be homophobia, maybe jilted lover or something.

6/13/2016 12:25:10 AM

[Edited on June 13, 2016 at 12:33 AM. Reason : Wrong thread ]

6/13/2016 12:31:20 AM

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" But do we really know what Mateen's motivation was regarding his target? Was the gay bar just an easy pick for him? Or did he target it because of its members' sexual orientation? I don't think we know for sure yet."

I feel like you have to put in a shitload of effort into being this dumb. It can't just be by accident.

6/13/2016 12:58:44 AM

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"Also, "anti gun regulation" is a pretty dumb argument to be pushing when the shooter was a licensed security guard and would have had access to guns even if guns were banned from civilian ownership. "

That's a bit of a disingenuous statement to make, no? The FBI said they were watching the guy. Authorities also said some the murderer also purchased guns pretty recently. It would stand to reason that stiffer regulations might have prevented him from obtaining guns, or carrying guns, which would exclude him from a job as a security guard. Also worth noting, not all licensed security guards can carry firearms.

6/13/2016 1:49:57 AM

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"So it was initially reported he said he was intending to do harm, but now it seems this was not accurate. He was a Bernie bro, as banned from having guns to do a previously legal issue. Seems like this might not be homophobia, maybe jilted lover or something."

Holy hell. Talk about not fitting the narrative. So, where did the "intend to do harm" thing come from? Did the police just make that up?

6/13/2016 3:59:10 AM

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"Also worth noting, not all licensed security guards can carry firearms."

It's not worth noting when the security guard in question was specifically licensed in the state of Florida to carry a firearm, and he had to train with one at least once a year with his own firearm to obtain and keep the license.

http://www.freshfromflorida.com/Divisions-Offices/Licensing/Private-Investigation/Private-Investigation-and-Firearms/G-License-Classroom-and-Range-Requirements

6/13/2016 10:24:33 AM

why is that relevent? is there any question that he was legally able to own a gun? are you buying into the "this guy is a trained government mercenary" thing that a couple other people have posted?

6/13/2016 10:30:52 AM

it's relevant because the original statement implied that maybe Omar didn't own a gun just because he was a security guard.

I buy into the camp of this guy was a nutcase that already owned a gun and was at least minimally proficient with it. If he was a mercenary killing machine, he would have firebombed the place instead - similar to previous attacks on gay bars in Seattle and New Orleans. A club with 350+ people inside and only two ways in or out sounds like a death trap.

6/13/2016 2:14:00 PM

The Orlando shooter had no real knowledge of radical Islam. He praised both ISIS and Hezbollah according to the FBI. These two groups couldn't hate each other more. They are essentially at war with one another. This attack was primarily motivated by hate for the gay community.

6/13/2016 2:37:55 PM

The determination of the left to skew reality to align with their narratives never ceases to amaze me.

Sorry liberals, the shooter wasn't a white conservative that hated gays.

If you want to ignore the blatant ISIS correlation to push your "America is homophobic and needs gun control" narrative, by all means. SJWs gotta do what SJWs gotta do.

6/13/2016 2:43:26 PM

Nobody said that. You really suck at this.

6/13/2016 2:50:24 PM

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"the conservatives are quick to distance themselves from this guy because they don't want anyone to realize how much they have in common"

Then consider that this was posted in the "White American Terrorism Thread".

Then eyewall41's post implying it has nothing to do with radical Islam and was just homophobia.



Edit: It's the exact same reason the San Berdino shooting thread is titled "near planned parenthood"... it isn't about dealing with reality for liberals, it's about framing everything to fit your narratives regardless of what actually happened. Pretty hard to solve problems when you don't operate within the constraints of reality.

[Edited on June 13, 2016 at 3:09 PM. Reason : .]

6/13/2016 3:02:02 PM

You realize it was the E man who posted this incident in this tread, and created the "Near Planned Parenthood" thread? If you ventured over into Sports Talk, you'd realize one of the first rules is to ignore The E Man.

6/13/2016 3:33:42 PM

its not a new idea that initial reports are not very clear before information on a story starts to trickle in. I reported the san bernadino shooting before any other major news outlet so there wasn't much information at the time. don't act like i took all the information you have now and made that title.

you act like i said it was at pp. in hindsight, even though it had nothing to do with pp, it was still near it. Its not so outrageous either considering the actual target was a strange choice and pp is the only notorious institution in that part of the city.

6/13/2016 3:45:42 PM

Wasn't it also like a few days after the actual PP attac?

6/13/2016 3:58:16 PM

PEOPLE SHOT AT PULSE NIGHTCLUB OFF KAPLAN!

-The E Man

6/13/2016 3:59:30 PM

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"I reported the san bernadino shooting before any other major news outlet "

ENN - Earl News Network

6/13/2016 4:11:01 PM

Early

6/13/2016 4:17:29 PM

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"its not a new idea that initial reports are not very clear before information on a story starts to trickle in. I reported the san bernadino shooting before any other major news outlet so there wasn't much information at the time. don't act like i took all the information you have now and made that title. you act like i said it was at pp. in hindsight, even though it had nothing to do with pp, it was still near it. Its not so outrageous either considering the actual target was a strange choice and pp is the only notorious institution in that part of the city."

I'm sure when ENN broke the story (aka read HuffPost's first release) you had some wishful thinking that it was a racist, white, conservative, GOP NRA member abortion-hating Christian shooting up an Islamic Planned Parenthood.

I don't blame the Earl News Network for lacking integrity, few news networks have it. I just think it is funny to point out the obvious bias that comes with the exposed, premature, 'politicization' of tragedies.

Such a move exposes the desperation that comes with trying to circulate a narrative rather than simply what happens.

6/14/2016 12:38:07 AM

^ seems like you're trying to be too politically correct with your dancing around the issue of right-wing domestic terrorist threats and the fact that this is predominantly the purview of conservative white males in America.

6/14/2016 2:57:54 AM