http://www.cleveland.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/09/donald_trump_fans_have_been_se.html

Really hope Clinton didn't offend any of these people with her comments. They are decent Americans who have some economic anxiety.

9/12/2016 11:20:29 AM

The left is going all out trying to frame the "alt right" as a white supremacy group of racists, based on 4chan trolls. Lol

9/12/2016 1:22:02 PM

The alt-right is that, though. Jesus, just read the speakers at their conference last Friday.

The alt-right is not the Republican Party or conservatism though. Neither side would want to be judged wholly by the worst among them.

[Edited on September 12, 2016 at 1:56 PM. Reason : God damn the comments to that article I posted. Jesus..]

9/12/2016 1:30:42 PM

This is why I had no problem with the "deplorables" line. It's pretty hard to deny that Trump and many of his supporters are rancid human garbage. It effectively shifted the narrative from Clinton's "scandals" to Trump's hate driven campaign.

[Edited on September 12, 2016 at 1:59 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2016 1:59:16 PM

why are we calling them alt-right and not just calling them right

9/12/2016 3:03:34 PM

Honest question, what did an alt right person say that is racist?

I'm skeptical because the Clinton media machine is all in on trying to link "alt-right" to "racist" to "right" so gullibles like ^ will say ^

The only speaker I've heard of is Milo, who isn't racist, just a troll.

9/12/2016 3:20:53 PM

Just google it.

You're as big a hack as the people you rail against if you can't see how awful those people are.

9/12/2016 3:49:39 PM

Yeah the alt-right is probably 60% trolly internet types, 30% strident racists, and 10% angry teenagers who have chosen it as their form of rebellion.

9/12/2016 3:56:43 PM

The alt-right moniker was carefully chosen though, to associate anyone on the right with racists. That way you can call those on the right racists while not calling them racists.

Why did we need a special name anyway? If you consider the klan, neo-nazis, etc, alt-right, then why not just call them racist? Why call them alt-right?

9/12/2016 4:28:33 PM

alt-right was created by neo-nazis so they could latch on to Trump's acceptance of them, without trump having to say he supports neo-nazis.

9/12/2016 4:30:56 PM

Google shows Clinton's media machine referring to alt-right as racist... Still haven't seen what is actually racist? You'll have to forgive me if I'm skeptical of a liberal calling something racist without evidence during an election cycle

9/12/2016 4:42:38 PM

You obviously are not aware of how the alt-right started or what their message is, if you're not seeing anything racist from them.

9/12/2016 4:48:10 PM

people seriously think the moniker was created by Clinton?

9/12/2016 5:07:43 PM

The alt-right are just Republican Internet trolls. There's no differentiation between the politics of the GOP and the "alt-right". Hillary unfortunately insists on drawing a distinction. This is a mistake. Ok maybe it helps her personally get elected by embracing neocons but doesn't too much for the progressive policies she supposedly wants to implement

[Edited on September 12, 2016 at 5:26 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2016 5:20:57 PM

Yes, half of Trump supporters are racists

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/clinton-wasnt-wrong-about-the-deplorables-among-trumps-supporters/2016/09/12/93720264-7932-11e6-beac-57a4a412e93a_story.html

9/12/2016 10:34:10 PM

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"alt-right was created by neo-nazis so they could latch on to Trump's acceptance of them, without trump having to say he supports neo-nazis."

the alt-right label was flown well before the Trump campaign.

while there is a definite white nationalist wing that stands under the alt-right umbrella, the main shared idea galvanizing the movement seems to be anti-globalization (at least according to my internet explorations).

Trump's focus on borders and trade deals speaks to the alt-righters, whereas the fainting reptile stands for exactly what they oppose.

9/12/2016 11:17:05 PM

I think for Trump to win two things need to happen.

First he needs to stay reasonably behind in the polls leading up to the election. He is going to have to rely on a large amount of people who normally wouldn't go and vote to think Hillary is so far ahead I don't really need to go vote. If polls show Trump anywhere close in the polls most of those people are going to feel like they need to go and vote Clinton just to keep him out and he will get crushed.

Second, and there is no way to really know this, he has to hope there are a ton of people out there who are gonna be closet voters for him. People who actually agree with him but know actually saying so wont go over well with most people they know. So they will say they would never vote for Trump, show up and vote for Trump, come out and tell people they voted Clinton.

I don't really see any other scenario where Trump doesn't get crushed.

9/13/2016 9:22:42 AM

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"Conway asked about Trump’s short drs letter: “I don’t know why we need such extensive medical reporting when we all have a right to privacy”"

The mental gymnastics with this one..

9/13/2016 12:20:03 PM

9/13/2016 12:27:44 PM

So Trump's campaign is either so egregiously disconnected that it's manager is directly contradicting a planned event (with a quack like Dr. Oz) or he is now not releasing information, in which case the only logical reason would be something bad is in it.

9/13/2016 12:42:39 PM

Quote :

"CHALLENGE SOMEONE'S VORACITY"

...are you hungry?

[Edited on September 13, 2016 at 2:21 PM. Reason : tag]

9/13/2016 2:21:43 PM

Now Trump isn't having his records on Dr. Oz (which was a joke anyway). Coupled with Conway's pivot to privacy yesterday we can likely draw some conclusions. But I won't because I'd be a hypocrit if I did.

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"Trump's interview this morning with Dr. Oz will just be a conversation about well-being, being active and positive thinking, aide says."

If Clinton did this, the fallout would be nuclear and the conspiracy theories would be amazing and mainstream.

[Edited on September 14, 2016 at 9:08 AM. Reason : Did iPhone update get rid of autocorrect? Wtf.]

9/14/2016 9:07:30 AM

... Probably because Clinton has collapsed, had history of falls, blood clots, has a MD performing neurological tests on her in public, wasn't transparent about pneumonia, hasn't done press conferences in forever, etc

9/14/2016 5:06:46 PM

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/its-trumps-moment/500066/

[Edited on September 14, 2016 at 9:35 PM. Reason : not exactly on a roll, but...]

9/14/2016 9:35:39 PM

He's probably a reasonably healthy 70 year old man, which is to say likely taking a couple different rx drugs and with a few minor health issues like maybe blood pressure or cholesterol concerns. We don't know of any significant medical events (and we likely would have given his celebrity status over the decades) and he certainly seems energetic and robust for his age. If I didn't know his age I'd guess he was in his early 60s.

There's no way of knowing just by looking, but if I had to hazard a guess I'd say he's probably in better shape overall than Hillary.

[Edited on September 15, 2016 at 12:05 AM. Reason : Djdjms]

9/15/2016 12:02:56 AM

anyways:

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"People are making less real wages than 18 years ago, Trump says in Ohio. "Me, I’m working harder also so I don’t feel sorry for any of you.""

still on that roll since June/July

9/15/2016 12:40:36 AM

Is it me or is Trumps "pivot" to minorities rolling up and telling them their lives sucks and they live in hellholes so fuck it.

9/15/2016 8:46:53 AM

so clinton released more medical information ( https://www.hillaryclinton.com/page/medical-information/ ), let's see Trump's cholesterol levels

9/15/2016 9:51:30 AM

He did. They both released basically the same information. Here's was in the form of a letter from doctor and his was read to him on Dr Oz.

From what we have been given from both no reason to conclude either is unfit to be president.

9/15/2016 9:55:06 AM

we don't know that yet, we don't know how specific the information is

9/15/2016 10:00:49 AM

The problem for Clinton is that her and Bill both have created the reputation that nothing they say can be trusted. So she can release all the medical records she wants, but the people who believe she has health issues are gonna believe what they see rather than anything she or her doctors say. Then if she does release records and anyone can find any small thing that is inconsistent or that doesnt make sense or that was left out people are going to tear into her yet again for trying to cover something up. Sure this may not be fair to her but her family's perceived track record is lie lie lie until you are caught.

9/15/2016 10:11:28 AM

I don't understand who these people are the don't realize Trump is an even bigger liar...even the couple people on this board who defend him admit he's practically pathological...granted we don't have a population of his base (uneducated), so TWW isn't the best place to get a feel on that. Have any of you met one of these people? What do they say when you show them proof that just about everything he says is a lie?

9/15/2016 10:22:09 AM

The simple answer is that he is a demagogue.

If what he says aligns with people's pre-conceived thoughts it doesnt matter if he lies.

9/15/2016 10:24:54 AM

Pretty much I don't really understand it either. Maybe people are just used to a Clinton lying for years and years and being tied to public office. Whereas people associate Donald Trump with reality tv which is almost entirely fake so him lying and doing outrageous things is just kinda normal for him. So Clinton is held to a much higher standard when it comes to public perception.

9/15/2016 10:31:55 AM

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"Maybe people are just used to a Clinton lying for years and years and being tied to public office."

9/15/2016 10:50:09 AM

stop being such a hack

9/15/2016 10:55:47 AM

No, how about someone actually back up their claims of Clinton being a liar? Here I'll give you all a headstart on two Clinton lies or scandals that were actually real:

1. In 1996, she unequivocally lied about coming under sniper fire in Bosnia.
2. In 1979, she made $100,000 off cattle futures, likely due to political favoritism from a trader who worked for Tyson Foods. While this one isn't quite as clear cut, there's considerably more concrete evidence supporting this than practically any other non-blowjob related Clinton scandal.

What else? I'll wait.

[Edited on September 15, 2016 at 11:02 AM. Reason : .]

9/15/2016 11:01:29 AM

so, since you are capable of providing proof to their point yourself, is your complaint then that they just don't have receipts for them? if that's the case, i'm assuming there is a literal receipt for the $25,000 president clinton had to pay for lying

[Edited on September 15, 2016 at 11:05 AM. Reason : (note that the poster said "a clinton")]

9/15/2016 11:05:08 AM

I mean how about that whole not sending or receiving classified documents on her private email server for starters?

Don't get me wrong I still think I would prefer her to Trump despite not personally caring for her I was more trying to give reasons on why people were harder on her than on Trump.

[Edited on September 15, 2016 at 11:09 AM. Reason : .]

9/15/2016 11:07:36 AM

^^No, my complaint is that the perception of Hillary being a liar, especially to a degree greater than the average politician, is based on decades of fabricated non-scandals from her political opponents.

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"I mean how about that whole not sending or receiving classified documents on her private email server for starters?"

What about it? The FBI spent a year investigating this, and concluded that to her knowledge, she had not. Which is why, in Director Comey's own words, they were "not even close" to recommending an indictment. The email server is a example of poor judgement, hubris, and a lack of balls by anyone on her staff to tell her it was a stupid thing to do.

[Edited on September 15, 2016 at 11:15 AM. Reason : .]

9/15/2016 11:12:25 AM

she's great at making excuses for her lies. she will say something like "the facts I thought I knew changed". she lies all of the time to make her views try to fit perfectly with public opinion and as public opinion evolves, she lies about her views.

there's a video on YouTube. "Hillary lying for 10 minutes" or something like that

9/15/2016 11:13:42 AM

^^ lol, that is not at all an accurate summary

this washington post story has more details from the trump doctors letter:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/15/trump-shares-letter-from-his-doctor-saying-he-takes-cholesterol-lowering-drug-is-overweight/?hpid=hp_no-name_no-name%3Apage%2Fbreaking-news-bar&tid=a_breakingnews

It does appear to have a similar detail to clinton's. did the show air today? i didn't think there were details yet

9/15/2016 11:17:18 AM

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"No, how about someone actually back up their claims of Clinton being a liar? Here I'll give you all a headstart on two Clinton lies or scandals that were actually real: 1. In 1996, she unequivocally lied about coming under sniper fire in Bosnia. 2. In 1979, she made $100,000 off cattle futures, likely due to political favoritism from a trader who worked for Tyson Foods. While this one isn't quite as clear cut, there's considerably more concrete evidence supporting this than practically any other non-blowjob related Clinton scandal. What else? I'll wait. "

C'mon, I'm no Trump supporter, but you don't have to go back 20 years to find shadiness from Hilary.

Here are two fairly recent ones with very concrete evidence.

She repeatedly lied about not having any classified emails on her private email server while having over a 100 and Comey said that she should have known about some of them, but it would have been easy to forget others.

She lied to the public about the cause of the Benghazi attack while knowing it was a terrorist attack.

And that doesn't count the dozens of questionable situations with fundraising, the clinton foundation, etc. You can say they were all fabricated bullshit, but I say where there is smoke there is fire. You don't see Obama or other democratic leaders under the same amount of scrutiny. At minimum any reasonable person would have to admit that her political ambition has put her in some extremely shady situations.

9/15/2016 11:21:12 AM

Yeah maybe everything isn't a straight up lie but bending the truth or leaving certain things out and just being a conniving person. For one reason or another people actually dislike this type of person even more than someone who just flat out tells obvious lies like Trump. We all know almost all politicians do this and most of America is tired of lifetimes of politicians being like this and the Clintons have been involved in the game for as long as most of us can remember. I actually think Hillary would have been better off if she kicked Bill to the curb way back when and went at it alone distancing herself from him personally.

For some reason people see Trump as some sort of anti-establishment candidate who tells it like it is and isnt trying to be politically correct. I mean I guess that last part is sort of true, but if you dont think things similar to the Clinton foundation aren't going to happen with Trump and his businesses you have to be an idiot. Trump has been playing politicians for favors for a long time just from the outside rather than the inside but his games are going to be the same at the end of the day.

9/15/2016 11:24:22 AM

It's also easier to fact check Clinton because her lies are almost exclusively centered around the emails.

It's impossible to fact check Trump when almost everything he says is a blatant lie. If you called him or his surrogates out on them it would take the entirety of every segment or article.

9/15/2016 11:30:00 AM

I'll admit that we were all spoiled by Obama, dude is cleaner than Melania Trump's bleached asshole. They dug and dug and dug looking for anything on him, and all they could find is he used to attend sermons given by a crazy dude. Going from that to Clinton's decades of public scrutiny is a stark contrast, but again, I'd argue that at worst she lies about as much as the average elected official and the actual ratio of legitimate concerns to fabricated bullshit is far lower.

[Edited on September 15, 2016 at 11:35 AM. Reason : .]

9/15/2016 11:34:57 AM

i aint saying trump is better than clinton, or that all or most of the fake scandals with the clintons are true

what i'm saying is that shrike is an absolute hack who posted a meme photo implying that the clintons have never lied and that's laughable. he can back away from it all he wants, but dude is a fucking shill.

9/15/2016 11:39:43 AM

Orly? For the record I haven't backed away from anything I've posted and everything I've posted has been absolute truth that can be verified and fact checked. Feel free to prove otherwise, again, I'll wait. So far all you've done is post stalk me and call me names, which while flattering, doesn't prove a damn thing.

[Edited on September 15, 2016 at 11:44 AM. Reason : .]

9/15/2016 11:43:34 AM

you went from asking for proof of lies, to then giving examples of lies, to then acknowledging that she lies but does so at a rate similar to other politicians

you're a hack dude

9/15/2016 11:48:32 AM

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" lol, that is not at all an accurate summary"

Also, if you're hoping I'm just going to stop posting and calling out every single line of bullshit posted about Hillary, I won't

[Edited on September 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM. Reason : .]

9/15/2016 11:50:09 AM