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After two more lopsided government defeats Corbyn FINALLY said it (and honestly I suspect more suooort these than May’s bullheaded approach). Laid out three options:

1) customs union
2) second referendum (!!!)
3) Norway plus

So far from original Farage sell.

3/13/2019 4:03:39 PM

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Welp......that's over.

3/29/2019 11:37:01 AM

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I feel I'm in good company when I say I have no idea what the fuck is going on with Brexit.

3/29/2019 6:08:25 PM

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I hope they get out before the Internet Censorship kicks in.

3/31/2019 8:03:24 PM

NyM410
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^^ pretty sure that means you are actually the prime minister now

4/1/2019 8:06:28 AM

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Who needs a Parliament anyhow?

8/28/2019 2:14:33 PM

NyM410
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I was planning on doing Ireland/Northern Ireland next year. Without the backstop i honestly don’t know if I want to. Not just the hassle of a hard border but Brexit has a real chance of hastening in a new Troubles and I suspect it’ll be on a knife-edge next year..

[Edited on August 28, 2019 at 3:02 PM. Reason : NI voted Remain but I doubt republicans really make in-roads among unionists to ever unite]

8/28/2019 3:00:45 PM

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Parliament, never disappointing when it comes to crazy ass rules.

8/28/2019 4:02:26 PM

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^^ just don't go to Belfast. Ireland is awesome enough on its own and NI is a separate trip anyway if you're going to do it right.

8/28/2019 4:31:41 PM

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Staying in Ireland will keep you on the Euro which has a better exchange rate...currently.

Also you could fill up a week or two with stuff without leaving the west coast. No point doing Ireland and NI.

Also also I bet Scotland joins the EU within a decade.

8/28/2019 6:37:39 PM

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^^ we did the Republic 2-3 years ago. Wanted to do the Northern route. I’ll see how the border agreement works out but with Boris trying to fight off Farage I don’t have confidence it’ll be a good solution.

[Edited on August 28, 2019 at 6:46 PM. Reason : Just would fly into Dublin for obvious reasons.]

8/28/2019 6:46:21 PM

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GG Labour. Exits show worst performance since pre-WWII.

Thing is their policies are pretty popular. More so than the conservatives. But the toxicity of Corbyn rules the day.

(And please don’t anyone draw inferences about the Dem primary from this. Cornyn is uniquely unpopular).

:waits for a few on here to throw knives at me:

*** also, Scotland will be out of the UK by 2025.

[Edited on December 12, 2019 at 5:17 PM. Reason : Scotland in UK is untenable]

12/12/2019 5:15:21 PM

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Corbyn is unpopular because of consistent illegitimate smears by UK media and it's pathetic that people fall for it

As always, the center lifts up fascists over socialists. It would absolutely happen here.

Britain is fucked

[Edited on December 12, 2019 at 5:44 PM. Reason : .]

12/12/2019 5:42:09 PM

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It was so bizarre seeing ostensibly objective journalists literally trolling and responding argumentatively to Corbyn over twitter. There is really no comparison I’ve seen over here to that.

BUT Labour and Corbyn really needed to not straddle the fence on Brexit. It proved impossible to thread that needle.

SNP won 55 of 59 Scottish seats. As I said before, I don’t see how Scotland remains in the UK with that number. Unless of course the PM just denies a referendum.

12/12/2019 7:26:13 PM

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Even though the smears against Corbyn were unwarranted, he lost that battle awhile ago and should have stepped aside then

12/12/2019 8:19:12 PM

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They would have done the same thing to any non-Blairite. imo it's correct to stand up to them.

12/12/2019 8:38:54 PM

NyM410
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Also interesting that for the first time the NI contingent (well at least the MPs, though of course most won’t actually show) in Westminster will be more nationalists than unionists.

Major sea change. The UK is now quite split with English nationalists versus the Scottish and Irish.

I do hope, for the people of the UK that Boris wasn’t just giving lip service about the NHS but I suspect he was and access to the British healthcare system will be mandatory for any US-UK trade deal. If that does happen there will be a spillover or NASTY protests over there.

12/13/2019 7:21:28 AM

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I'm on a rugby message board so get a healthy dose of British political commentary. Every single left-wing poster wants Corbyn gone and hopes the Momentum group that has accomplished entryism in the party is kicked the hell out. (Same thing happened in the 1980s to Labour and is how Margaret Thatcher remained in power more than a decade.) The issue is how Labour selects their leader now it's pretty impossible and they control the party. They're more just moaning at how weak this current group of Tories are going into this election because the party under first May's leadership and then Boris screwed up a bunch of things, and yet Labour were still incapable of winning because they had such a horrible leader.

My take pre-election was it was going to be a disaster for Labour because they were the one party that did not have a clear Brexit position, and they lost a lot of northern England support for it. I did think the Liberal Democrats would do better than they did.

This was posted pre-election on that rugby board re Corbyn:

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"I'm still a bit undecided about my vote direction this coming Thursday.

I've obviously taken into consideration what I consider to be the following swaying points on the two main parties.

On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a bit of a rascal with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh.

And on the other hand..

Labours Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.

So it’s a tricky one really"


[Edited on December 16, 2019 at 4:43 PM. Reason : /]

12/16/2019 4:40:13 PM

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"I'm on a rugby message board so get a healthy dose of British political commentary. Every single left-wing poster wants Corbyn gone and hopes the Momentum group that has accomplished entryism in the party is kicked the hell out."


Corbyn was selected because the party moved left. Not because Corbyn took over. They'll remain left-wing when he's gone. Lol at saying left-wingers want Momentum out. You're talking to a bunch of Blairites.

And that list is ridiculous.

[Edited on December 16, 2019 at 4:44 PM. Reason : .]

12/16/2019 4:43:14 PM

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Corbyn was selected because under Miliband's leadership the Labour Party greatly changed how they picked their leader in a desire to be more like an American primary, and it blew up in Labour's face as a guy that routinely gave the finger to his party's leadership in Parliament wound up being the party leader in Parliament when few in the Parliamentary Labour Party voted for him. (The equivalent of this to American politics would be if Republican primary voters picked the Speaker of the House.)

Brexit however ripped the Labour Party in two making it a metropolitan London set (pro-Remain) vs. the party's Red Wall in the north (pro-Leave). They'd already lost Scotland to the SNP which was a Labour stronghold going back more than 50 years. So what is Labour's electoral future if they can't win in Scotland and no longer can count on racking up large numbers of seats in northern England is a really good question.

12/16/2019 4:48:59 PM

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I also know a lot of british leftists and none of them are huge fans of Corbyn and think he should have stepped down way before the election

12/16/2019 6:36:08 PM

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Do they also think Momentum should be ousted entirely from Labour?

12/16/2019 7:55:54 PM

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/24/brexit-capitalism

Interesting take from George Monbiot:


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" “Brexit stems from a civil war in capitalism – we are all just collateral damage”

Broadly speaking, there are two dominant forms of capitalist enterprise. The first could be described as housetrained capitalism. It seeks an accommodation with the administrative state, and benefits from stability, predictability and the regulations that exclude dirtier and rougher competitors. It can coexist with a tame and feeble form of democracy.

The second could be described as warlord capitalism. This sees all restraints on accumulation – including taxes, regulations and the public ownership of essential services – as illegitimate. Nothing should be allowed to stand in the way of profit-making. Its justifying ideology was formulated by Friedrich Hayek in The Constitution of Liberty and by Ayn Rand in Atlas Shrugged. These books sweep away social complexity and other people’s interests. They fetishise something they call “liberty”, which turns out to mean total freedom for plutocrats, at society’s expense.

....

Brexit represents an astonishing opportunity for warlord capitalism. It is a chance not just to rip up specific rules, which it overtly aims to do, but also to tear down the uneasy truce between capitalism and democracy under which public protections in general are created and enforced. In Steve Bannon’s words, it enables “the deconstruction of the administrative state”. Chaos is not a threat but an opportunity for money’s warlords. Peter Hargreaves, the billionaire who donated £3.2m to the Leave.EU campaign, explained that after Brexit: “We will get out there and we will become incredibly successful because we will be insecure again. And insecurity is fantastic.”

....

Housetrained capitalists are horrified by Brexit. Not only does it dampen economic activity in general, but it threatens to destroy the market advantage for businesses that play by the rules. Without regulatory constraints, the warlords would wipe them out. Like other august institutions of capital, the Confederation of British Industry warned that leaving Europe would cause a major economic shock. In response to these concerns, Johnson, while he was foreign secretary, made a remark that might previously have seemed unthinkable, coming from the mouth of a senior Conservative, “fuck business”.

Johnson’s government is what warlord money buys. It could be seen as the perfect expression of the Pollution Paradox, a concept that I think is essential to understanding our politics. What this means is that the dirtier or more damaging an enterprise is, the more money it must spend on politics to ensure it’s not regulated out of existence. As a result, political funding comes to be dominated by the most harmful companies and oligarchs, which then wield the greatest political influence. They crowd out their more accommodating rivals.

It isn’t just about pollution. Damaging enterprises with an interest in buying political results include banks developing exotic financial instruments; property developers who resent the planning laws; junk food companies; bosses seeking to destroy employment rights; and plutocrats hoping to avoid tax. It’s why we’ll never have a healthy democracy without a radical reform of campaign finance.
Understood in this light, Brexit is scarcely about the UK at all. "



Brexit could be Exhibit A for the case for campaign finance reform for years, if only it is properly framed. But it’s also interesting to view it as a failure of reasonable capitalists to control the unhinged Randian psychos, if they ever had control.

1/1/2021 11:04:14 PM

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I feel like Brexit and the current situation in Texas are basically the same thing.

2/18/2021 1:02:41 PM

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If Brits were a lot less evil and if Texans were a lot smarter, then yeah, you'd be spot on, hoss.

2/19/2021 2:34:36 AM

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FOH with the “Texans are dumb, Brits aren’t“ bullshit

of course the comparison is apt

[Edited on February 19, 2021 at 10:35 PM. Reason : .]

2/19/2021 10:34:10 PM

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Sorry the joke flew over your head, mate/partner

2/20/2021 10:05:01 PM

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Is the joke that brits are more evil but smarter than texans

2/20/2021 10:39:27 PM

thegoodlife3
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it’s obviously over both of our heads and we just don’t understand humor

I have a lot of rethinking to do

2/20/2021 10:49:04 PM

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No, the joke is that they’re pretty much the same, just not exactly the same.

Brits voted for Brexit because they’re evil colonialist racist hypocrites

Texans voted for deregulation because they’re greedy and willfully ignorant of science

The context clues were “spot on” and “hoss”- which are both stereotypical catch phrases neither groups really say

Have either of you been to Texas and the UK? Maybe you’d get it then

2/20/2021 11:42:43 PM

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the best jokes need lots of explaining

2/20/2021 11:51:44 PM

thegoodlife3
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^^ so you agreed with the post you made a “joke” about?

2/20/2021 11:58:45 PM

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Oversimplification aside, yeah, I did. But for whatever reason you felt the need to attack me, so I guess the joke’s on you now.

2/21/2021 12:10:09 AM

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Classic silly post called out "oh you don't understand"

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"Brits voted for Brexit because they’re evil colonialist racist hypocrites

Texans voted for deregulation because they’re greedy and willfully ignorant of science
"


I mean remove colonial and Texans brits are interchangeable here. Although Texans do have a colonial attitude toward Hispanics

2/21/2021 12:59:11 AM

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dude claimed to be attacked over a FOH

2/21/2021 1:06:07 AM

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^^I hate to say it, but go back and reread what I actually wrote. I’m pretty sure that A Tarzanian was making a witty/hyperbolic analogy and Im assuming that he understands that that Texas’ grid failure is NOT the same as Brexit, but maybe I’m wrong. Maybe he doesn’t know the difference

[Edited on February 21, 2021 at 1:27 AM. Reason : ^ too bad about Kim and Kanye ]

2/21/2021 1:25:58 AM

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It's fine man not everyone is funny, don't sweat it

2/21/2021 1:32:16 AM

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It’s fine man, not everyone can read. No need to burst your pipes over it.

2/21/2021 1:42:17 AM

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This is like the 10000th time you've said something silly, everyone agrees its silly and your response is "wow I'm too smart these people can't understand my discourse let me double down"

2/21/2021 1:49:10 AM

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Fun fact: British comedy is often silly: much of it is based on puns/word play.

Oh, btw I also made another joke in that impeachment thread, right around the same time I made the one above, but it wasn’t the same type of joke, so let me know if you need me to explain it to you as well.

[Edited on February 21, 2021 at 2:01 AM. Reason : Everyone= you, TGL, and TT10– not the intended recipient. Got it.]

2/21/2021 2:00:10 AM

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Are you implying your joke was an example of "British comedy"

[Edited on February 21, 2021 at 11:22 AM. Reason : Are you implying it had puns/word play ]

2/21/2021 11:19:12 AM

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I did not get the joke.

2/21/2021 11:39:14 AM

rwoody
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Sorry the joke flew over your head, mate/partner

2/21/2021 12:49:39 PM

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he admitted to agreeing with the post, then he played the role of mind reader:

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" I’m pretty sure that A Tarzanian was making witty/hyperbolic analogy and Im assuming that he understands that that Texas’ grid failure is NOT the same as Brexit, but maybe I’m wrong. Maybe he doesn’t know the difference"


it was a pretty easy analogy of two crystal clear examples of “fuck ya’ll. we’ll do it ourselves”, that you seemed to have an issue with, and you had a meltdown when you got called out for your stupid response to it.

your need to always dig yourself a deeper hole is pretty hilarious

2/21/2021 1:04:50 PM

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"I did not get the joke."


Aw, shucks.

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"Are you implying your joke was an example of "British comedy"

Are you implying it had puns/word play"


No, I'm directly stating that was my intention. This is a thread about Brexit, which is sort of a joke within itself, but neither of you can read very well, or pick up on sarcasm/irony/etc.

Oh well.

[Edited on February 24, 2021 at 1:03 AM. Reason : .]

2/24/2021 12:53:17 AM

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2/24/2021 7:51:16 AM

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