Video of an exchange with 1 of the shooters:
https://twitter.com/OnlineMagazin/status/756539012551176194

Translation of video:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Munich22July/comments/4u4f0g/video_of_people_offending_the_shooter_screaming/d5mqlhh
Balcony Man: "You fucking Asshole you..."
Shooter: "because of you I was bullied for 7 years" (wegen euch wurde ich gemobbt 7 jahre lang)

Balcony Man: "You wanker you. you're a wanker"
Shooter: "...and now I have to buy a gun to shoot you"
Balcony Man: "a gun! fuck off your head isn't on right"
Shooter and Balcony man shouting at each other
Balcony Man apparently to people filming: "He's got a gun here the guy has one"
Unseen voice: "Shit/Fucking Turks!"
Balcony Man: "Shit/Fucking Kanacken" (foreigners basically)
Balcony man to someone else : "EY! HE'S GOT A GUN! He has loaded his gun! Get the cops here!"
Shooter: "I am German."
Balcony Man: "You're a wanker is what you are"
Shooter: "Stop filming!"
Balcony Man: "A wanker is what you are, what the fuck are you doing?"
Shooter: "Yeah what, I was born here!"
Balcony Man: "Yeah and what the fuck you think you're doing???"
Shooter: "I grew up here in the Hartz 4 (unemployment benefits in Germany) area.
Balcony Man and Shooter talk at same time, can't make it out.
Shooter says something about "Behandlung" which is psychiatry: "ive been in treatment, but i didnt do anything."

Balcony Man says something like :"you belong in the psychiatry"
Shooter: "why.. (unintelligible).. I did nothing in 5th grade"
Shooter: "Please shut your mouth" (He is being very polite here, using the German "Sie")
Balcony Man: "You cunt you"
Balcony Man: "HEY! HE'S ON THE UPPER FLOOR HERE [unintelligible]"
Filming man goes into cover, shooter starts firing.
Balcony man calls him a cunt again.
Balcony man: "They must have been shitting into your head" (A German slang for "Your mind is fucked up)
Shooter: "They have not! They have NOT, that's the thing! They have NOT!"
Video ends.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Munich22July/comments/4u4f0g/video_of_people_offending_the_shooter_screaming/d5ms168

They're saying the language implies he's pissed for failing a grade or something along those lines?


[Edited on July 22, 2016 at 4:54 PM. Reason : ]

7/22/2016 4:34:03 PM

#NotAllGermans

7/22/2016 4:36:08 PM

brace yourselves, the hateful posts are coming

7/22/2016 4:42:27 PM

McDonald's shooter is roof shooter:


people are saying:

Quote :

" The accent of the supposed shooter sounds like a guy living around Munich with a (rather light) Munich Bavarian accent trying to speak normal German to me. ... He gets called turk by the balcony man to which he (with a slliiiiight outer bavarian accent) answers "i'm german". He also mentioned he got bullied since his 5th year of school because of "you" (meaning the society). His last sentence is "shut the fuck up,sir" which is strangely respectful in a wrong way, indicating he doesn't speak another language (turkish/arabian) at home but is very fluent in german. ... He says because of guys like him he had to get a gun(was bullied in class 5 or something) and that guy talking to him has a strong bavarian accent which no foreigner could have. "

Quote :

" Yes he does tell them to stop filming at one point, those who are filming are talking serbian someone else mentioned or maybe... I think the guy yelling at the shooter is Bosnian. You can hear people in the background talking to him I'm Bosnian. But nonetheless, neither Germans or Bosnias are too shy."

Speculative summary of the conversation:

Quote :

"So to sum it up, the shooter mentions having been bullied, something that happened to him in fifth grade that he didn't deserve, says that he bought a gun because of people like the guy yelling insults at him, and that he was forced into inpatient psychiatric treatment even though he, according to him, didn't need it. He’s also angry at society because he grew up in a poor area. He stresses that he is German, therefore making sure IS doesn't claim responsibility for the shooting. He sounds young, in his 20s at most, possibly under 20 judging from the way he talks. Basically he seems like a typical school shooter, except that because of his hatred of richer people he decided to shoot up a shopping mall instead of his school."

[Edited on July 22, 2016 at 4:57 PM. Reason : ]

7/22/2016 4:45:31 PM

Quote :

"His last sentence is "shut the fuck up,sir" which is strangely respectful in a wrong way"

Germans use Sie (the "polite" form) when they are talking to any adult that they do not know. It does not mean that they are being polite, it is just an indication that they don't know the person. Germans can be extremely impolite while using the Sie form when they are talking to strangers. The implication that he is not a fluent speaker here just because he uses Sie is just incorrect: That is how Germans talk to strangers.

from the other thread (sorry, I did not know that this one existed):

Quote :

"The guy on the balcony is speaking in a fairly strong bavarian accent (they are in Munich btw). The shooter (on the roof top) is speaking fluent, accent free "standard" German, but there might be a slight Turkish slang based on the racial slurs that the guy on the balcony uses towards him, but I can't say for sure. It is safe to say that he was born in Germany or has lived there since childhood. The majority of the first 2/3 of that translation is pretty spot on. The guy on the balcony was being very impolite to the guy (i.e. the shooter) under the stress of the moment (I guess?). For instance, the term Kanacken is a strong racial slur that is used to describe the turkish population in Germany or more specifically, German-born Turks. It is mainly used to criticize their slang in German, and is the equivalent of calling somebody a nigger. He also uses the german equivalent for bum or douchebag in excess. The part that the translator above did not quite get, about the use of the word "Behandlung" and weather it refers to mental health or social bullying, does seem to me to be a reference to how he is treated by the German people (for presumably being of Turkish decent). Particularly the part where he (the shooter on the roof top) later says that he has done nothing wrong and then pretty clearly says "ich habe die Schnauze voll" which is German for I am fed up with this shit. Then suddenly, the bavarian on the balcony picks up on what is going on and does say something about asking him to calm down, but he was definitely being impolite and IMO, racist towards the guy during the majority of the conversation. A lot of the conversation towards the end (after the camera moves) is not quite clear enough for me to figure it out"

[Edited on July 22, 2016 at 5:47 PM. Reason : second edit]

7/22/2016 5:44:59 PM

Terrible

7/22/2016 5:49:36 PM

^^ thanks, appreciate the insights.

7/22/2016 6:02:32 PM

Mass shootings only happen in the USA. This story must be from The Onion.

7/22/2016 6:16:48 PM

^ in the industrialized/western world, that's almost always true.

7/22/2016 6:18:48 PM

It is really sad listening to the guy on the balcony. A lot of the Germans that I knew at the university would sound just like this guy when they were on a rant about Turkish people. They just don't give a fuck. I don't understand why he would say that shit to the guy and just antagonize him like that.

7/22/2016 6:29:28 PM

Most people in the US don't realize how incredibly racist large portions of Europe are. In a lot of ways it's worse there than here.

7/22/2016 6:40:18 PM

^Yeah the French are nuts. In the past they have chanted racial slurs at the players of the soccer team they cheer for, not the opponent.

7/22/2016 6:43:09 PM

its more the other way around. people are racist around the world. every country has those people but the liberal establishment is much more mainstream much of europe and there is a fringe nationalist uprising parralel to whats going on over here with trump going on in eastern europe.

its also worth noting that munich is not "german" in many ways

[Edited on July 22, 2016 at 6:44 PM. Reason : fringe]

7/22/2016 6:44:03 PM

ORLY, TELL ME MORE!

Nothing that I said described the guy on the balcony as a German, I said that what he was saying in German reminded me of what Germans are prone to say about the Turkish.



[Edited on July 22, 2016 at 6:54 PM. Reason : f]

7/22/2016 6:52:26 PM

Maybe. Depends on how you define race vs. Ethnicity/nationality. Being black in Italy or parts of France isnt much better than being black in parts of the American South.

There's still a lot of eastern European vs. Western European enmity too. Whether that qualifies as racism is up for debate.

Point is Europe isn't a tolerant utopia like some people seem to believe.

7/22/2016 6:55:24 PM

How many shootings ago was Orlando?

Seems like that was just last week.

7/22/2016 7:01:30 PM

what is surprising to me is that it is not the "backwards" type people that are saying these things in Germany, it is the extremely well-educated dudes with PhDs saying the same racial slurs as this guy on the balcony while drinking their morning coffee.

[Edited on July 22, 2016 at 7:04 PM. Reason : j]

7/22/2016 7:03:26 PM

are you talking about bavaria or where?

7/22/2016 7:12:45 PM

european racism is fucking light years ahead of our"The word black hole is racist!" bullshit.

7/22/2016 8:03:07 PM

7/22/2016 8:07:13 PM

Sky news is reporting that shooter was 18 year old "German-Iranian." Not yet clear if he's an immigrant or German born of Iranian descent.

Tim Kaine as Hillary VP pick is all the US news outlets are talking about right now so BBC and other British sources are the only place to find this stuff in English right now, unfortunately British tabloid press us all over the place which make details questionable at best.

7/22/2016 8:50:16 PM

Quote :

""The motives for this abhorrent act have not yet been completely clarified - we still have contradictory clues," German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said in a statement."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-crime-munich-idUSKCN1021YZ

They're reporting he's of Iranian hHeritage.

7/22/2016 10:44:09 PM

BBC reported dual citizenship.

Maajid Nawaz had some good insights on why this very well might not be ISIS related based on Iranian heritage. Most Iranian's are Shia, ISIS is a Sunni group. If shooter did kill himself that doesn't fall in line with jihadist teachings. Suicide bombing is not viewed the same as turning a gun on yourself.

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz

7/22/2016 10:52:26 PM

Bigots don't know the difference between sunni and shia or islam and isis anyway so that doesn't matter.

7/22/2016 11:08:15 PM

This is really bad for Merkel. This is the second nasty attack by an immigrant/migrant/non-white german in a week. She was already under fire over refugees, this isn't going to help.

7/22/2016 11:23:33 PM

Iranians

[because I care]

7/22/2016 11:25:21 PM

Thanks, don't know how or why that apostrophe snuck in there.

7/22/2016 11:29:14 PM

7/22/2016 11:40:15 PM

Also of note, just because he's Iranian doesn't necessarily guarantee that he is a Shiite. He could be a Sunni, it's statistically likely, but that's like assuming all Irish people are Catholic by default.

How he got the gun and from where is going to be a key question. German federal police and intelligence agencies have uncovered a stash of guns at one mosque in these last couple of weeks.

There is of course the distinct possibility that this guy was just nuts.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. The difficulty of obtaining a firearm in germany makes me suspect there may well be some organizational ties.

[Edited on July 23, 2016 at 12:04 AM. Reason : just the one mosque]

7/23/2016 12:02:04 AM

No coverage in the news this morning about this video and the conversation between the gunman and the balcony man.

Seems like a first person description of why he was doing what he did wold be something important to air, but maybe they were burying it because the guy on the balcony did nothing but curse at him and use pejorative racial slurs.

[Edited on July 23, 2016 at 7:11 AM. Reason : a]

7/23/2016 7:08:47 AM

CNN actually went through that whole video on Anderson Cooper's show.

Early reports state no indication of ISIS ties (which makes sense given ethnicity) but they do say he was researching mass shootings.

Its looking like this guy might just have been coocoo for cocoa puffs.

I'm going to be very interested in seeing how he got the gun. Tracing that could reveal a lot.

All this is still very early though, the no connection to ISIS report is based off of search of his home. If I were a betting man I'd put money on some kind or radical organization supplying him with the gun. Maybe not an as lamest group, but I think somebody goaded this guy into acting.

[Edited on July 23, 2016 at 7:23 AM. Reason : Fhsksk]

7/23/2016 7:18:09 AM

I was referring to the German news, sorry bra. Didn't make that clear.

7/23/2016 7:54:51 AM

Some European news sources are trying to paint the guy as a neo-Nazi paying tribute to Anders Breivik. That story doesn't mesh well with another German cussing at him for being arab, so I could see them trying to suppress that video.

Merckel is probably having a conniption over how to spin this.

7/23/2016 10:18:20 AM

Not surprised. At least in america we discuss how fucked up our racist shit is, but the Germans just ignore these kind of issues. They just prefer to pretend that they have absolutely no problems with racism.

7/23/2016 2:38:16 PM

It doesn't look like any of the people he killed were German - all of them were from Turkey or somewhere in the Balkans. Almost all of them were young too.

7/23/2016 2:52:11 PM

You have to keep in mind that Germans call Turks born in their country foreigners.

And lol at the CNN coverage of that video, the press is actually going to cover up what the guy on the balcony was saying.

7/23/2016 3:08:13 PM

Quote :

" That story doesn't mesh well with another German cussing at him for being arab, so I could see them trying to suppress that video. "

Iranians are typically persians not arabs, but both technically could be neo-nazis. Lots of persians and arabs would pass for white.

It's doubtful a random shouter would be able to accurately identify race anyway.

7/23/2016 6:02:25 PM

^^ doesn't mean much but I know even Mesut Ozil gets shit from time to time because he isn't a "true" German.

7/24/2016 11:59:28 AM

Exactly, they refer to him as Turkish and constantly make fun of his German. I believe that he is even the 3rd generation born in Germany. Could be wrong about that, though.

It is a very big problem that people ignore or just aren't aware of. As I stated, the biggest "surprise" that I experienced about the culture is that they play the language game to perfection. So, when they are speaking in English to foreigners they are extremely PC, but when they are speaking with Germans in German, a lot of them (certainly not all of them) sound like that dude on the balcony.

The culture just isn't divided at all on this topic like they are in America. For example, If I were back in the US at my old Uni or job and were to say something like "man those fucking spics have no idea how to speak English correctly, I am sure that they will fail out of college" while in a break room or at lunch, somebody would give me a ton of shit about it. But take that exact same sentence and replace spics with Turks and English with German, and it would be like saying water is blue.

7/24/2016 12:31:41 PM

Guess when it doesn't seem to have ISIS ties it doesn't matter as much.

Deranged shooter overseas just doesn't sell ads I guess.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/07/23/487149627/munich-police-suspect-was-a-high-school-student-fixated-on-shooting-rampages

** saw a few articles that said he was obsessed with mass killers like Norway. Probably not a coincidence that it happened on the fifth anniversary.

[Edited on July 25, 2016 at 9:32 AM. Reason : X]

7/25/2016 9:26:25 AM