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so showing the original clip and then showing what aired on pbs is propaganda?

and showing nothing or selectively clipping someone's words to change the meaning is not?

got it.

9/5/2016 10:28:20 PM

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Wonder if any write-in candidates like Kanye will get more votes than her

[Edited on September 5, 2016 at 11:14 PM. Reason : is Kanye still who the white kids are listening to?]

9/5/2016 11:14:20 PM

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Is it really a shock that interviews get cut down to fit a time slot? And what lie is being told by PBS with this editing? I've watched the whole clip and don't hear anything that wound up on the cutting room floor that would be some big revelation about Clinton or Stein.

And for that matter, maybe you should be giving PBS a bit of credit. They made her sound less stupid than if they had aired the whole clip. She clearly doesn't know shit about TPP other than "TPP bad" (which it isn't, but I digress) and she gets down on the whole false equivalency parade between Clinton and Trump that has become rote in the media's desire to keep up ratings.

I especially like the dander being up over the elimination of the "who we can vote for" bit by folks who are saying "SEE THEY'RE SUPPRESSING THE VOTE FOR 3RD PARTIES" as if they aren't actually interviewing a 3rd party candidate. It's cognitive dissonance at its finest, which is par for the course for people like you.

I know you'll just look at this as excuse making or whatever, but I'd make the same argument for any candidate on any news outlet.

and yes, it absolutely is propaganda. it's trying to undermine US news outlets and sow more mistrust among the american public. if you had the capacity to look at this with a critical eye, you'd realize that

[Edited on September 6, 2016 at 10:01 AM. Reason : .]

9/6/2016 9:50:08 AM

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Lol, she is such a mess.

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"#HackingHillary, here's my prescription: Take a #JillChillPill and stop campaigning altogether to ensure global peace. #PagingDrStein"

9/6/2016 12:29:28 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8FSKJzcfEM

It only took them like 4 hours to file charges against Stein for "vandalising" this property but police, Hillary, wall street and bush can get away with mass scale murder, vandalism and fraud. I think she planned this all along and they played right into that narrative.

9/6/2016 10:59:01 PM

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That is a weird hill to die on. Her goal should be to capitalize on the Bernie movement to grow the Green Party, not pander to its tree-hugger base.

9/7/2016 7:47:56 AM

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standing rock isn't just some tree hugger issue, its a pretty big deal that should be getting a lot more attention than it is. i don't see how she is dying on that hill, but its also not some fringe issue only extreme environmentalists should care about

9/7/2016 9:20:11 AM

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Closing the wealth gap and putting a stop to the endless foreign wars are much bigger deals affecting many more Americans. None of the other candidates appear interested in addressing those. This is a huge opportunity for a true left wing candidate. She is squandering it by wasting her time spray painting bulldozers in North Dakota.

9/7/2016 10:46:03 AM

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in what way does this prevent her from doing other things?

9/7/2016 10:57:18 AM

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The more time she spends on this, the less time she spends on the others, and the more people see her as hippie to be dismissed and not a true champion of the left and the working class? If she wants to participate in some civil disobedience, go spray paint Lloyd Blankfein's bald dome.

9/7/2016 11:43:53 AM

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are you able to see why that's a dumb point?

9/7/2016 11:50:12 AM

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Well I'm not sure how to respond to that so I guess our discussion ends here

9/7/2016 11:58:36 AM

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spending time on this issue does not prevent her from spending time on other issues, saying that she can't spend any time on this issue because it detracts from other issues is saying that politicians should only spend time on 1 issue that is the most important. i guess it would also mean that they should only campaign in the most important place.

to clarify how little of her time this is taking, she will be at an event in chicago on Thursday, St. Loius on Sat, Des Moins on Sunday, etc... she isn't camped out at standing rock

standing rock is a serious issue that has to do with more than the environment, but the environment is a big part of the green party so why exactly is this a bad issue for her?

your argument just doesn't make any sense

[Edited on September 7, 2016 at 12:47 PM. Reason : are you under the impression that she is staying in standing rock?]

9/7/2016 12:37:47 PM

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The point is that she chose this issue to get media attention over, as opposed to myriad others, which only energizes her Green Party base but not really anyone else. My impression is that the average Bernie supporter, with a mountain of student loan debt and no job, voters she claims to want to capture, do not care about this issue.

Her speech in Des Moines, which I'm sure will touch on many important issues, will be heard by exactly zero people outside of that room in Des Moines because the media will still be referring to her as the candidate who got arrested over the Dakota pipeline (if they refer to her at all).

Also I never said it wasn't a serious issue. To the Indian tribe in that region I'm sure it is serious. It just doesn't widen her appeal.

9/7/2016 3:41:49 PM

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sanders supporters definitely care about this issue, it was trending on facebook and shit

9/7/2016 3:44:01 PM

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be better than citing facebook trends. social media is an echo chamber

9/7/2016 10:07:39 PM

dtownral
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... but we're talking about the leftist Sanders supporters Oops thinks are relevant to Stein

9/7/2016 10:23:30 PM

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we're progressives not sanders' supporters the movement is bigger than the man.

9/8/2016 1:38:59 AM

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It's a movement without a leader

9/8/2016 7:53:47 AM

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jillbabyjill

9/8/2016 12:33:51 PM

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a lot of progressives think Johnson is the most qualified candidate in the race

you're just for whomever you can talk about and look like you're a special snowflake

[Edited on September 8, 2016 at 2:47 PM. Reason : .]

9/8/2016 2:47:15 PM

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Like I've stated before. I'm not "for" johnson, I'm for Stein but that doesn't mean I should try to pretend she is more qualified just because I like her policies better. I distinguish between my opinions and the reality of facts. Thats what makes me "special" here. I don't pick my candidate and then pretend they are the best at everything while everyone else is the worst at everything which does no good for your argument and leads to political gridlock.

Based on the facts, it should be clear to everyone that Johnson is by far the most qualified based on experience and past leadership so instead of digging your head into the sand and ignoring the facts (just because you disagree with libertarianism?), why don't you offer some real discussion and valid critique beyond "omfg (candidate i don't support) is crazy and would completely destroy the country"

[Edited on September 8, 2016 at 2:59 PM. Reason : k]

9/8/2016 2:58:51 PM

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Stein supporters are arguably worse than Sanders supporters. At least Sanders had a shot at winning.

9/8/2016 4:54:08 PM

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Stein supporters are almost invariably a bunch of tinfoil hat wearing conspiratards.

Not the Earl is among them.

9/9/2016 10:17:19 AM

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he's the most qualified because he was the governor of the 35th biggest state almost 20 years ago? foh

how about you list what he's done that makes him more qualified than clinton.

for profit prisons?
failing to get school vouchers?
failing to increase test scores or reduce drop out rates?
a gas tax cut?
more than doubling the state debt in his two terms?
being mostly dominated by his state legislature for his 8 years?

9/9/2016 12:39:15 PM

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you got Earled

9/9/2016 12:49:00 PM

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"he's the most qualified because he was the governor of the 35th biggest state almost 20 years ago? foh"

Its more by a process of elimination instead of the "amazing things" he has done. He's had leadership experience without any major scandals or lapses in judgement. Thats not saying much, I know, but no one else in the field can say that much.

9/9/2016 5:13:41 PM

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A Ron Paul endorsement is just the October surprise we are hoping for!

10/3/2016 9:14:17 PM

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Except it wasn't an endorsement...

10/3/2016 9:22:16 PM

The E Man
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which is why we "are hoping for" it...

10/3/2016 9:28:59 PM

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hope all you want, he isn't going to endorse her

[Edited on October 3, 2016 at 9:51 PM. Reason : just like he won't endorse gary johnson]

10/3/2016 9:50:38 PM

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its not "just like" considering he has said stein has the best foreign policy and he agrees with her on many issues.

10/3/2016 9:59:26 PM

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i'm sure he agrees with johnson on many issues as well

but ron paul isn't an issue voter. he votes on principle.

10/3/2016 10:09:06 PM

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So it turns out that the polls don't include anyone 18-22 as "likely voters". This skews things towards republicans and away from 3rd parties. The skewed polling data amplifies the narrative that trump might be president and no one should vote 3rd party because they aren't getting votes anyway.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3564590/jill-stein-polls-national-polling-is-likely-significantly-underestimating-support-for-the-green-party-candidate/

10/7/2016 2:14:47 PM

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"So it turns out that the polls don't include anyone 18-22 as "likely voters"."


that not true and it is not supported by your link.

10/7/2016 2:29:10 PM

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live on C-SPAN

10/11/2016 9:08:14 PM

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a damn hillbot called in and asked if she would take her name off the ballot in battleground states to avoid a nader affect. she explained how hillary may be worse than trump but both are unacceptable

10/11/2016 9:43:09 PM

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deleted 33,000 emails, sexual predator, didn't memorise the name of a key city, overcautious about child safety

All of the candidates are terrible this year! I guess I'm just going to have to hold my breath and vote for one of the criminals!

10/12/2016 10:22:27 PM

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Interview with infowars today!

10/20/2016 4:12:12 PM

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LOL nm

http://www.snopes.com/jill-stein-endorsed-donald-trump/

[Edited on November 1, 2016 at 5:04 PM. Reason : .]

11/1/2016 5:00:49 PM

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"The "bad cop" takes an aggressive, negative stance towards the subject, making blatant accusations, derogatory comments, threats, and in general creating antipathy between the subject and himself. This sets the stage for the "good cop" to act sympathetically, appearing supportive and understanding, and in general showing sympathy for the subject. The good cop will also defend the subject from the bad cop. The subject may feel they can cooperate with the good cop either out of trust or out of fear of the bad cop. They may then seek protection by and trust the good cop and provide the information the interrogators are seeking."

This works on the weak-minded.

11/8/2016 12:43:04 AM

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Ranting on tww makes you stronger.

11/8/2016 6:50:20 AM

dtownral
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Stein scamming salty clinton supporters for millions of dollars is pretty funny

11/25/2016 3:39:28 PM

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oh we back!

11/25/2016 11:57:17 PM

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You also cool with this?

11/28/2016 2:38:20 PM

The E Man
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yeah of course. its all relative.

11/28/2016 3:39:12 PM

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https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1017771409014214657?s=21

Lol

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