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Bullet
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you're a joke man

[Edited on September 15, 2016 at 5:10 PM. Reason : (and attention whore)]

9/15/2016 5:09:15 PM

afripino
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apparently SJW's are the reason for poor fatherless black people that commit violent crime.

#SoftwareUpgradeNeeded

9/15/2016 5:13:03 PM

ElGimpy
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Refusing to answer the question is the same as just saying that you think black people are bad decision makers. That's ok to admit you think that. I mean, it just further confirms why everyone you know hates you, but it's ok to admit it at least.

9/15/2016 5:17:39 PM

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Please continue to make straw man arguments to beat up so you feel better about yourself.

9/15/2016 5:21:44 PM

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JCE makes an argument involving dinosaurs then accuses others of making strawman arguments.

9/15/2016 5:36:55 PM

JCE2011
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So you're saying dinosaurs never existed?!?

9/15/2016 5:43:09 PM

Dentaldamn
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I've never seen one.

9/15/2016 6:42:42 PM

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North Carolina native and current L.A. Rams Defensive End William Hayes is a dinosaur denier

[Edited on September 15, 2016 at 9:12 PM. Reason : ...]

9/15/2016 9:11:42 PM

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I found a picture of JCE2011:

9/16/2016 12:44:34 AM

Fermat
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find a more patriotic/nationalist person than a rebel flag toting motherucker.
SHOW ME

9/16/2016 1:24:52 AM

JCE2011
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So in summary:

Black people aren't more likely to get shot by cops because of racist cops.
They are more likely to get shot because they are more likely to commit violent crime.
They are more likely to commit violent crime because they are less likely to have a father.
To blame the lack of fathers the vague scapegoat of "racism" in 2016 doesn't hold up, as the fatherless household % got worse while society became less racist.

So to all the SJWs who are trying to silence this argument but can't, follow ElGimpy or dtownral example: Make a straw man argument that you are actually capable of stopping, and pretend it's my argument.

9/16/2016 2:26:46 AM

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when did society become less racist? the war on drugs and mass incarceration is something that peaked in the 90s.

9/16/2016 3:01:05 AM

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"find a more patriotic/nationalist person than a rebel flag toting motherucker.
SHOW ME"


GIS search: "white trash"

you're welcome.

[Edited on September 16, 2016 at 5:06 AM. Reason : .]

9/16/2016 5:05:56 AM

ElGimpy
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So in summary:

Even after giving all the ground needed and making every assumption necessary to get to one single question JCE still wouldn't answer it, all while using a .83 "SJW" to post ratio, which is pretty strong, even for the person in question

Oh and strawman? Not really as all I was doing was asking questions, you were free to give answers which you mostly didn't. You could argue False Dilemma maybe, but all you had to do was present a third option as an answer to that question. Can you do that?

9/16/2016 1:00:33 PM

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I have a bigger problem right now with Rapinoe doing this seeing as she is actually playing for our national team and representing our country. I put a little more stock into respecting the anthem when the country it represents is exactly who you are representing while playing.

9/16/2016 1:05:44 PM

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yeah, she probably should have protested by not playing for the team. but I doubt anybody would have noticed or cared.

I mean I don't care at all that she's protesting, but I can understand why that one's a little weird.

[Edited on September 16, 2016 at 1:13 PM. Reason : ~]

9/16/2016 1:11:42 PM

ElGimpy
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Sorry if this was discussed already, I only really came in here to bother someone, but...

For those who care about this, why? Does it really bother you that much that someone isn't standing for the national anthem? Why does your opinion about what the anthem stands for and how patriotism works matter more than others? Have you scanned the sidelines of every game you've been to to make sure everyone was standing? Because if you didn't care enough to do that, why is it so important to you now?

9/16/2016 1:25:52 PM

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"Refusing to answer the question is the same as just saying that you think black people are bad decision makers. "


If you're denying that's a straw man argument then there's not much hope for you.

I don't have to answer why something is, I just wanted to establish that it is because it supports my argument.

I know this is baffling to the SJWs, but disparities of outcome happen all the time: and it isn't proof of racism. It's funny that you would argue that it is, despite the discrepancy revolving around a personal choice. Your side is so quick to see race as a primary factor when there's a discrepancy of victimhood, but when a discrepancy of choices causes it, anyone mentioning the same racial disparity is suddenly "a racist".

9/16/2016 1:33:16 PM

afripino
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"when did society become less racist? "


1968

9/16/2016 1:33:50 PM

Bullet
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^lol, keep skirting

although you did basically say that you think god made black people more likely to make bad decisions and be absentee fathers, which sounds kinda racist.

9/16/2016 1:44:11 PM

ElGimpy
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when a group of people are supposedly making similar decisions at a higher rate than other people, a smart person would think there might be a reason for that, and if you find that reason you might be able to address the issue with a much better success rate than just assuming it's a bunch of people all making poor decisions at random. If the rules of statistics tell us something's not random, than it's probably a good idea to address the cause

9/16/2016 1:45:40 PM

afripino
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Dear Bullet

afripino != JCE

9/16/2016 1:56:53 PM

Bullet
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(i meant "^^")

9/16/2016 2:18:24 PM

JCE2011
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"when a group of people are supposedly making similar decisions at a higher rate than other people, a smart person would think there might be a reason for that"


What a smart person would do, is apply that perspective consistently, not selectively.

And to be clear, I believe you should look at it on an individual level. I would prefer to treat people as individuals, not as a member of class whose status is determined by the liberal victimhood hierarchy.
But because the left is obsessed with selective racial disparities that imply victimhood, I present the other ignored areas of a more complex process with the same racial filter. Selectively applying the race filter when cops shoot a black kid, then ignoring it when you look at the steps leading to that end result, is deliberate ignorance.

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"If the rules of statistics tell us something's not random, than it's probably a good idea to address the cause"


Funny, because this is the exact thinking of the #ALM crowd. Its the same reason they blame the victim after police shootings, purely in response to race-baiting from the left. Liberals completely ignore the causes that lead to the end result in order to claim it's proof of racism. That's why groups like #BLM are regressive and divisive. And that's why Kaepernick is a dumbass.

Hint: you know it's a false narrative when only anecdote and vague, abstract terms like "oppression" are used as evidence. (Refer to the Mizzou race hoax all the SJWs here fell for).

9/16/2016 4:30:57 PM

ElGimpy
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if you believe it would be a good idea to address the cause than can you possibly venture a realistic guess as to what it would be?

9/16/2016 4:35:12 PM

afripino
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Prefers to treat people as individuals

Makes generalizations about the blacks



[Edited on September 16, 2016 at 5:41 PM. Reason : ]

9/16/2016 5:40:26 PM

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When legislation is passed affecting entire sections of society you can't look at this on an individual level. You can't have laws on the books, being written, and laws repealed within the last 50 years targeting millions of people and focus on the person.

Seriously the most insane thing I've read in this thread.

9/16/2016 6:57:01 PM

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"When legislation is passed affecting entire sections of society you can't look at this on an individual level. You can't have laws on the books, being written, and laws repealed within the last 50 years targeting millions of people and focus on the person"


Yet as I already mentioned, the fatherless family rate got worse as the legislation got better. So the correlation isn't there if you want to blame some abstract, undefined form of"oppression".

If you are so desperate for reasons why there is a racial disparity of fatherless families, I'd say the left's obsession with treating blacks not as individuals, but as members of a perpetual victim collective doesn't necessarily help matters when it comes to incentivizing personal responsibility. Before you make your straw man arguments, obviously that isn't the sole or main reason. I just like pointing out how the democrats, if anything, make it worse for blacks, because they are only of use to them if they are victims dependent on government.

9/16/2016 7:26:03 PM

Dentaldamn
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Fatherless homes has grown exponentially in a similar way for every cross section of the population. It is not exclusive to any one group of people.

What does this tell you?

White fatherless homes have gone from 1 or 2% to around 36%. This is. DRASTIC.



[Edited on September 16, 2016 at 7:37 PM. Reason : T]

9/16/2016 7:35:11 PM

JCE2011
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You're proving my point for me?

You're right, a subset of the population made choices and we aren't blaming it on "oppression" now, are we? And now those white kids will be more likely to get shot by cops. I'm glad we finally agree.

9/16/2016 7:48:53 PM

Dentaldamn
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The entire population had has similar growth in single mother homes. Why are you focusing on black families?

Also I'm not arguing about being shot by the cops. Getting thrown in jail by the cops for long periods of time for minor shit is the issue.

TO BE CLEAR. If all races have had a similar increase in single mother homes it is not a viable example for anything changing for any particular group since the 50's.

[Edited on September 16, 2016 at 8:09 PM. Reason : G]

9/16/2016 8:03:20 PM

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All this argument coming from a bunch of folks who disgrace the National Anthem every NC State home game

9/17/2016 9:08:31 AM

EMCE
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http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article102396747.html


Police union asks offices not to escort dolphins players until they stand during the anthem

9/18/2016 4:47:36 PM

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^^basically...the "RED" and "home of the wolfpack" shit is lame and dumb.

9/18/2016 5:03:35 PM

JCE2011
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"The entire population had has similar growth in single mother homes. Why are you focusing on black families?"


I'm focusing on black families because isn't that what the SJWs/media/democrats want? Or do they only want to focus on the end result where they can generate more outrage/division/votes?

The upwards trend was similar across all races, but every source has it worse for blacks, even if you account for the overall trend. Over 70% is staggering, but it's swept under the rug. What does the left offer to fix this? More handouts and dependency. More "victimhood" complexes.

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"Also I'm not arguing about being shot by the cops. Getting thrown in jail by the cops for long periods of time for minor shit is the issue. "


So going to jail for breaking the law is now the issue? Got it. #oppression

9/19/2016 2:22:00 PM

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photo from the last day of racism:

9/19/2016 2:26:28 PM

JCE2011
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Racism has only gotten worse since slavery!

Sure there aren't any racist laws or policies in place, but why does that matter if there are "bodies in the street"?!

Just last year civil rights activist Mike Brown was assassinated by a racist cop, and it's happening everywhere! If you break the law and resist arrest you're black, cops will shoot you on sight! So much oppression! Where is my safe space

9/19/2016 2:55:12 PM

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I Just Wish NFL Players Could Find A Way To Protest Without Starting A National Dialogue
http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/i-just-wish-nfl-players-could-find-a-way-to-protes-53971
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"Like so many Americans, I was shocked and disgusted when I first saw San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick sitting down for the playing of our national anthem as a protest against social injustice. In the weeks since, it seems like every time I turn on my TV to watch football, there are more and more NFL players sitting, kneeling, or raising their fists during “The Star-Spangled Banner.” And while I certainly respect the right of these players to protest, I just wish they could find a different way to do so that doesn’t start any kind of national dialogue.

Before I go any further, I want to make one thing clear: I completely understand that as African Americans, these players are frustrated with what they perceive as targeted police brutality against minorities. I realize that they are directly affected by racially motivated discrimination, unfair treatment, and institutional oppression. Believe me, I get it. But the bottom line is that there are other forms of demonstration that can draw attention to these issues without sparking a substantive and meaningful discourse across the country. Would that really be so hard?

Part of what makes America so great is that our citizens have the freedom of speech. I’m all for these players—or anyone else, for that matter—expressing their opinions, but once they start shifting the nation’s focus to serious and pressing matters facing millions of people, that’s where I draw the line. I’m sorry, but I don’t believe in any so-called “protest” if it involves raising awareness of systemic problems within our society.

Nobody wants that. As a proud American, I know I don’t.

No, America is not perfect, and yes, there are challenges facing us as a nation that need to be addressed. But a big public spectacle that inspires collective self-reflection and a thoughtful examination of the country’s morals is not the solution. Nor, I might add, is using fame and notoriety to start a conversation that tries to widen the perspectives of people from all different walks of life.

Instead of going down on one knee or raising a fist during the anthem, can’t these players stand up for what they believe in without creating a platform for the free exchange of ideas and differing points of view? I mean, isn’t that—and not an environment of honesty and empathy—what we should be striving for?

Though I admire their intentions, I hope that going forward, these men choose a different forum for their actions, ideally one that is totally out of the public eye and garners no national media coverage whatsoever. A sporting event is, frankly, not the time or place for anyone—least of all a bunch of millionaire professional athletes—to be making political statements, especially if those statements cause people to engage in introspection or mindful discussion.

So to all the players around the NFL who have joined one another in protest, I would just say this: Do what you feel is right. But please try to remember that when you make your point in front of that red, white, and blue flag, you’re also forcing me—as well as so many of your fellow Americans—to think, consider the feelings of others, and act like a human being.

Maybe Colin Kaepernick should think about that before deciding to kneel at the 49ers’ next game."


[Edited on September 19, 2016 at 4:09 PM. Reason : /b]]

9/19/2016 3:48:24 PM

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"So going to jail for breaking the law is now the issue? Got it. #oppression"


I'm at work so I'm not addressing the first part but it's common knowledge that a greater percentage of white people do illegal drugs than black people yet black people get thrown in jail more often for doing illegal drugs.

WUTDAFUQ!

If we treated all law breakers the same I'd be cool with that. But then middle class white people would FREAK OUT BC ALL THEIR POT SMOKING KIDS WOULD BE IN JAIL!!!

9/19/2016 4:08:35 PM

JCE2011
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^That's not true, or proven. Some lefty self-reported use study is far from "common knowledge". Be careful, if you actually reference something specific it can be disproven... You may want to go back to vague references of "oppression".

^^ The onion was bought by one of Clinton's top donors a few months ago. It's now discrete liberal propaganda

9/19/2016 5:44:55 PM

Dentaldamn
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oi just found the info on the librag buiness insider!

[Edited on September 19, 2016 at 5:55 PM. Reason : !!!]

9/19/2016 5:53:27 PM

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it doesn't agree with his narrative so it is liberal SJW echo chamber drivel. the SJW-hater has become the SJW.

9/21/2016 9:12:39 AM

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when you cite research he says it's just some lefty study. otherwise, he acts like he's the only one with credible information

9/21/2016 9:47:06 AM

JCE2011
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Lol, as if SJWs are even capable of using actual studies/sources.

9/21/2016 12:29:30 PM

Bullet
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pretty broad generalization you're making there. So you're saying all SJW do the same thing? And you've inferred over and over that you think pretty much anybody who disagrees with your "arguments" are SJWs (even rjrumfel)?

[Edited on September 21, 2016 at 12:32 PM. Reason : ]

9/21/2016 12:32:23 PM

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So, Kaep. claims to have received numerous death threats. I'm assuming this is because he didnt stand for the national anthem. I wonder if those making threats because of Kaep.'s perceived lack of patriotism consider themselves patriots when they seek to deny an American citizen his right to free speech?

lolololol, or maybe the death threats are just because his protest afro is THE TRUTH

9/21/2016 12:38:56 PM

dtownral
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shout out to all the dudes pissed at kaepernick for sitting down but don't give a shit if cops shoot a guy waiting for his son to get home

9/21/2016 2:49:59 PM

thegoodlife3
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they're all gonna attack Cam now

9/21/2016 2:57:05 PM

AndyMac
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http://www.vox.com/latest-news/2016/9/21/13000262/colin-kaepernick-terence-crutcher

Kaepernick calls out his critics: “There’s a lot of racism in this country disguised as patriotism”

9/21/2016 5:36:09 PM

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who started this hand over heart during star-spangled banner bullshit?

9/21/2016 5:37:43 PM

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