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The E Man
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Since MSM ignores most of it. Lets keep up with it by posting feeds here.

Today, there was a huge protest in Portland. Police union contract was agreed upon without the consent of the people. People showed up at the meeting to debate the vote but police moved in and physically removed all people from civil hall. It was all streamed to the world. Masses then showed up outside of city hall to demand consitutional rights. Police have cracked down by closing the streets and soldiers have recently moved in on riot gear. It may be getting ugly right now. Facebook keeps taking our streams down but you can follow on local TV. MSM won't mention it because they have to silence the narrative that people are pissed nationwide. Especially white majority protests like this.
http://katu.com/live




[Edited on October 12, 2016 at 5:32 PM. Reason : the real america]

people who were injured by police called 911 and 911 told them they weren't sending ambulances to the area. Makeshift medics have showed up to treat minor injuries. Somebody just took the mic from a reporter and yelled "BILL CLINTON IS A RAPIST" lol



[Edited on October 12, 2016 at 5:44 PM. Reason : they closed the train lines to keep more people from coming. ]

[Edited on October 12, 2016 at 5:45 PM. Reason : police chief said his poor officers were having water bottles thrown at them at had to respond]

10/12/2016 5:24:27 PM

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Warming up the thread for post election when [insert candidate's name here] loses and the other side is convinced that the election was rigged.

10/12/2016 7:40:15 PM

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Why would "the people" need to consent to a deal between a union and the city government?

10/12/2016 8:28:02 PM

aaronburro
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^ is that a serious question?

10/12/2016 10:44:23 PM

GrumpyGOP
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It is. Perhaps I should have thrown in the word "explicitly." We don't expect citizens to give explicit consent to every action the government takes. The Department of the Interior doesn't poll 300 million Americans every time it signs a new contract for office supplies.

The issue seems to be that the protesters didn't like some provisions which they thought were in the contract (although city government says that the main one, a rule regarding body cameras, is no longer part of it). I think there's a subtle but important difference between that and protesting because a contract was agreed to without popular consent.

People tried to storm city hall - though they weren't, as Earl says, "demanding constitutional rights," because there's no constitutional right to forcibly enter and occupy government buildings - and the police pushed them out. At the same time, the civil unrest crowd was blocking major thoroughfares and particularly mass transit routes, preventing (among other groups) the working poor from being able to get to and from their jobs. Then the protesters got wildly overdramatic, as protesters are wont to do, claiming that it was no longer a protest but a "medical emergency." Said emergency consisting of one broken arm of unknown provenance and a grand total of 4 people being pepper sprayed.

In spite of that I'm not against the protesters, exactly. I'm just not for them, either. They got a little out of hand, and the cops regulated. The system worked pretty good.

10/13/2016 9:11:21 AM

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yes, if anything the last year has shown us that the LAMESTREAM media doesn't cover anything regarding the civil unrest in the country

or...or...or...maybe not every single story is national news. maybe.

but don't worry, earl. I'm sure RT and Sputnik are working hard at keeping you up to date

[Edited on October 13, 2016 at 9:21 AM. Reason : .]

10/13/2016 9:20:59 AM

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they barely mention 99% of the unrest. they only cover if it fits the "angry black mob" narrative.

it's funny you bring up rt because they actually had a sub page for unrest in the american section of their web page.

[Edited on October 13, 2016 at 1:58 PM. Reason : u]

10/13/2016 1:57:15 PM

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it's not funny. RT is actively trying to undermine stability in the US. of course they're going to highlight as much unrest as they can, whether it is valid or not

10/13/2016 3:47:10 PM

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sounds like they are trying to liberate the people of an oppressive regime. give the people a voice, give opposition a voice. it all sounds eerily familiar. but who are they to talk about an oppressive regime without looking in the mirror....oh wait

[Edited on October 13, 2016 at 4:34 PM. Reason : mindfuck]

10/13/2016 4:33:26 PM

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Vlad is so altruistic

10/13/2016 4:43:02 PM

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10/13/2016 4:55:48 PM

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haha christ you'll do anything to make yourself feel smart. you were a bernie bro, now you defend trump and johnson. and the coup de grace is buying the shit that putin is selling.

what a sad little man you are

10/13/2016 10:06:00 PM

The E Man
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So Putin sent those people out to protest? Did Putin tell Police to shoot unarmed citizens too? Did KGB operatives start redlining and other forms of institutionalised racism? Did Putin set the wheels in motion for the war on drugs? Did Putin spread diabetes through the US population? Did Putin give the bush administration a smoking gun? Did Putin tank our economy in 2008? Did Putin make college unaffordable for many Americans? Just how far does it go?

"It wasn't on CNN, it must be false!"

[Edited on October 13, 2016 at 10:23 PM. Reason : all starting to make sense. The russian boogeyman]

10/13/2016 10:22:24 PM

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we wouldn't have any of these problems right now if polls were illegal and the government forced the media to give every single person who wanted to run for president equal coverage.

10/13/2016 11:00:05 PM

The E Man
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if only there were nations we could look at as examples of that theory...

10/13/2016 11:46:52 PM

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Quote :
"It is. Perhaps I should have thrown in the word "explicitly." We don't expect citizens to give explicit consent to every action the government takes. The Department of the Interior doesn't poll 300 million Americans every time it signs a new contract for office supplies.

The issue seems to be that the protesters didn't like some provisions which they thought were in the contract (although city government says that the main one, a rule regarding body cameras, is no longer part of it). I think there's a subtle but important difference between that and protesting because a contract was agreed to without popular consent."

Yup, the word "explicitly" would have helped. I'm in general agreement that the purpose of a gov't is to act on behalf of and for the people, so explicit consent from the people on every issue is superfluous.

Having said that, I think you have to admit that the optics of police kicking out people protesting a police union contract negotiation aren't exactly good. Granted, who else would handle that protest, if not the police? But the image it presents is that of the police, themselves, preventing the people from discussing how the police should operate. And that's not a good image. Holding gov't union negotiations in private is rarely going to look good on its own, but it's going to look even worse when the union doing the negotiating happens to be the one representing the very workers who are physically preventing the populace from providing their input into the negotiation process.

10/14/2016 6:37:10 PM

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NY Times is reporting recently some militia group possibly illegally detained migrants at gun point on public land

We know trump has routinely ordered his staff to knowingly break the law

He directly told CBP to violate the law and he’d pardon them

Trump has tweeted possibly his craziest rants yet about the mueller investigation, and the people still openly supporting trump are simultaneously saying Obama let the Russians hack the elections, Obama helped the Russians hack the elections, and Obama spies on Trump to rig the election for Hillary

We have a solid year and some change before the election at this point… There was a study recently that showed it only takes about 15% of a population to support a rebellion to trigger a civil war. I think we’re well above that threshold with the Trumpists at this point, especially with these sham bills state legislators have been passing about “live abortion survivors”.

I still don’t think it’s likely, a few things would have to happen, but I don’t think it would take much to see some serious violence if trump ordered it at this point.

4/20/2019 2:45:12 AM

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-arrests-larry-mitchell-hopkins-leader-of-united-constitutional-patriots-border-militia

They arrested the border militia/terrorist leader/whatever leader

4/21/2019 12:41:48 PM

NyM410
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Shouldn’t this be in the RW terrorist thread?

4/22/2019 8:39:54 AM

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"We have a solid year and some change before the election at this point… There was a study recently that showed it only takes about 15% of a population to support a rebellion to trigger a civil war."

Nope. not even close. We do not have anywhere near that amount of citizenry that are eager to murder their fellow citizens in a hope that burning their own cities down in the short term will somehow grant them something in the new regime they can't have under the current regime.

4/25/2019 2:07:54 PM

Bullet
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^what are you basing that on? your gut?

4/25/2019 2:26:51 PM

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^^ the amount actually okay with pulling triggers doesn't need to be that big, for example the provisional IRA was only about 10,000 people in a nation of about 3.5 million however they had support from many more who were probably not okay with pulling a trigger themselves.

i don't see how we can continue on this path without violence from various groups, IMO our government has already failed and it's just a matter of time

4/25/2019 2:46:53 PM

bubster5041
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It Could Happen Here is a pretty fascinating listen about this and it's potential in the future

4/25/2019 3:09:11 PM

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"^what are you basing that on? your gut?"

I mean, I'm an avid follower of history and political science. So yea, I base my opinions of the world around me on my semi-informed gut understandings. What do you base your political beliefs on? A flip of a coil? What someone else on the internet tells you to believe?

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"IMO our government has already failed and it's just a matter of time"

In what possible way? Our government is many things, but failed isn't one of them. Hell, there are people on this board that would quibble with describing Venezuela as a "failed state" and yet you want to suggest the U.S. is one?

4/26/2019 3:36:12 AM

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our government is not representative, voters don't have a voice or influence, we have allowed it to become an oligarchy and that alone is enough to call it failed.

4/26/2019 10:36:41 AM

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I can’t remember what thread I said it in but as the boomers start to die off and the younger, more diverse population becomes the large majority we will be in an untenable situation.

Trump and McConnell via the courts have assured us the vast majority of the country will not be have a representative judiciary in our lifetimes likely. Something will have to give.

It’s literally insane that we have members of Congress who have seen Republicans won one popular presidential vote in our lifetime yet have such a dominant, recent position in the judiciary.

[Edited on April 26, 2019 at 11:01 AM. Reason : Also the founding fathers suck and I don’t care what they thought ]

4/26/2019 11:00:51 AM

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USA should just peacefully break up into 50 countries, the experiment failed

[Edited on April 27, 2019 at 8:41 AM. Reason : v]

4/27/2019 8:38:35 AM

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Trump talking about a coup against him recently and how he didn’t need a gun to fight it off this time.

4/27/2019 10:44:38 AM

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