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The E Man
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Overlooking the fact that mass farming in Africa and the overall global increase in farming to support 3 billion more people will only hyper-accelerate the death of the oceans.

10/28/2016 1:59:17 AM

afripino
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JCE: just feed the Africans pepper spray because it's essentially food.

10/28/2016 2:12:15 PM

JCE2011
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"A point which we've repeatedly shown to be wrong, several different ways, to which you respond "Oh well that's just bad luck, that's different.""


Because it is different. There is a distinct difference between bad luck and bad choices. We want to discourage bad choices while helping people with bad luck.

You're trying to lump together typical cases with extreme cases so you can create a morale highground, which is ironic because stealing people's money to fund a program that destroys family structure and creates dependence isn't exactly a virtuous thing to do. It's typical leftist thinking which values intention > result, you seemed to be close to this mindset as you posted earlier about the importance of intention. Which is a stupid mindset to have for policy.

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"I think you'll find that nobody is in favor of paying people for being stupid. We do tend to be in favor of keeping people from starving or freezing to death, though. Particularly if they're children."


Guess your argument is about dead if you are resorting to virtue-signaling and "THINK OF THE CHILDREN".

10/30/2016 4:38:08 PM

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"The politicians fight over cotton. And the result has not been protection of the cotton industry. It's pretty much "rob the peasant farmer""


Zimbabwe seized farm land owned by white settlers and then proceeded to panic when agricultural production plummeted. Once one of the richest agricultural regions in Africa, they've had to rely on food imports in recent years. South Africa removed the government bodies that the previous apartheid government utilized to support local farms, and since then they have struggled to compete with cheap international food.

While the rainfall levels and water supplies aren't exactly ideal for agriculture in certain areas of Africa, the robber baron mentality of the leaders seem to be their biggest hindrance.

10/30/2016 6:49:07 PM

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" There is a distinct difference between bad luck and bad choices. We want to discourage bad choices while helping people with bad luck."


Except, of course, they're often intrinsically linked. A person with the bad luck to be born into shitty circumstances is primed from birth to make shitty choices. If a kid is born to a single mom with a drug problem and no money, in a joke of a school district, in a country where everyone already assumes he's a criminal, then he's going to make more bad choices than an otherwise identical kid born to upper-middle-class parents in the suburbs. Or, if suburb kid does make bad choices, he's got a nice cushion to shield him from the sort of consequences that call for public assistance.

11/2/2016 8:34:42 PM

JCE2011
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I see leftists dry to deflect responsibility a lot with that example. You point to the kid (bad luck) and ask what he did wrong.

Nothing.

When personal responsibility is referenced, when choice is referenced, it's directed to the mother who chose to get knocked up and have a baby she can't afford.

That's why when the mother claims $15k a year isn't enough to live off of, my original point stands: it isn't enough now because you bumped uglies with some POS and didn't use the coat hanger. So now you are looking for other people to pay for your poor decisions.

11/3/2016 12:12:05 PM

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this dude is trolling you guys so hard

11/3/2016 12:17:22 PM

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