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TerdFerguson
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https://www.lawfareblog.com/how-listen-jim-comeys-testimony-monday

I thought this was a good take: the less Comey says, the more sensitive the investigation.

3/20/2017 9:20:06 AM

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Reading that now.

I will say - Nunes pisses me off. All he cares about is the leaking of intelligence. Sure, crime. Investigate? Sure. Make that the focus of this Russia stuff? Complete and utter deflection.

Schiff seems to be the only rational person I've heard talk about any of this.

3/20/2017 9:29:27 AM

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3/20/2017 10:06:00 AM

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"White House installs senior aides at Cabinet agencies to monitor loyalty
The unusual shadow government of political appointees, which reports to the White House deputy chief of staff for policy, is charged with making sure the secretaries and their staff members carry out President Trump’s agenda and stick to approved talking points, according to officials with knowledge of the arrangement."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/white-house-installs-political-aides-at-cabinet-agencies-to-be-trumps-eyes-and-ears/2017/03/19/68419f0e-08da-11e7-93dc-00f9bdd74ed1_story.html

3/20/2017 10:08:33 AM

Cherokee
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@TerdFerguson on the link you posted - Comey kinda seems to be following option three.

3/20/2017 11:21:45 AM

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^^ Heil Trump!

3/20/2017 11:29:08 AM

TerdFerguson
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^^yep, could still be a nothingburger though. Just surprising how careful he is being if there is "nothing" there.

LMAO at Gowdy's righteous anger on the leaks. There's evidence that HE feloniously leaked Benghazi info, there's evidence that he was one of the first congress people to use "transcript" in regards to the Flynn conversations. Completely blind to his own shittiness.

[Edited on March 20, 2017 at 11:34 AM. Reason : GOP suddenly concerned about unauthorized intelligence collections - shits laffable]

3/20/2017 11:32:44 AM

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I am astonished watching Gowdy (I had to pause for a meeting and am catching up now).

This is basically how the House investigation is going to run its course:
1) Are you a Republican? If yes, ask questions about leaks.
2) Are you a Democrat? If yes, ask questions about Russia interfering with the United States and possibly colluding with members of a candidate's political team.

Nunes - waste of time
Gowdy - limitless waste of time

3/20/2017 11:45:16 AM

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I wonder if we'll see many hours-long inquiries of Trump's people, and have their emails publicly released pertaining to the investigation...

3/20/2017 12:35:49 PM

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3/20/2017 1:55:20 PM

Cherokee
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^I'd modify that by removing Trump from the image and changing the quote to "Determine the truth."

3/20/2017 2:02:58 PM

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http://gothamist.com/2017/03/20/maga_hat_safe_space.php

white man feels exclusion for first time. Sues bar.

3/20/2017 8:30:08 PM

Cherokee
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For fuck's sake. The irony. Free speech knows no party. Both sides apparently want to take it away from the other.

[Edited on March 20, 2017 at 8:34 PM. Reason : a]

3/20/2017 8:32:24 PM

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except that a bar not admitting a MAGA hat does not violate free speech, you imperialist

3/20/2017 8:47:07 PM

Dentaldamn
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You play with fire you might get burned.

This guy cried like a baby afterward.

3/20/2017 8:50:55 PM

JCE2011
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So leftists want to force businesses to:

Pay employees more than they are worth
Pay for employees insurance that they can't afford
Impose bathroom laws so mentally unstable men and women can use the opposite bathroom
Cater a wedding if it is against the owner's religion

Buy you dont want them to have to serve everyone regardless of political affiliation?

At least be consistent in your big-brother socialist authoritarianism, that's like the only "value" leftism has.

3/20/2017 10:25:19 PM

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"except that a bar not admitting a MAGA hat does not violate free speech, you imperialist"


Legally, no. In principal, it absolutely does. I'll ignore the imperialist comment because I still don't think you know why you're saying it.

It's an interesting question if you sit down and think about it, though. Guy very easily could have gone to another bar. Does that make it okay?

Honestly, the thing that I found ironic was that it was a West Village bar. Typically a neighborhood that espouses freedom of expression.

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"Cater a wedding if it is against the owner's religion"


This is actually the same thing, though. A caterer shouldn't be forced to do his job but a bartender should?

[Edited on March 20, 2017 at 11:05 PM. Reason : a]

3/20/2017 10:53:04 PM

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religion and sexual orientation ain't the same thing

3/21/2017 1:19:07 AM

dtownral
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^^ it's okay to not allow nazis into your business

3/21/2017 6:22:23 AM

Dentaldamn
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Let's say in an alternate universe left handed people have difficulty getting married, can be refused service, and are sometimes beat up or killed for being left handed.

In the west village right handed and left handed people live together and party and do whatever they want.

Someone shows up with a hat that says "lefties are the devil". This person knows where he is and what the hat he is wearing says.

He then gets pissed and sues when people arnt happy with him being around!!!

[Edited on March 21, 2017 at 7:15 AM. Reason : F]

3/21/2017 7:13:33 AM

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Regarding Ivanka's security clearance:

1) if she passes all background checks and is vetted I am all for anything that might possibly lead to the president making more informed and compassionate decisions

2) if this were Chelsea Clinton the collective right would lose its shit and open up multiple nepotism investigations

3/21/2017 8:01:58 AM

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Don't think it should be illegal but not serving someone with a maga hat is the dictionary definition of a bigot. They should put a sign out front advertising their policy so non bigots can avoid the restaurant.

3/21/2017 8:08:18 AM

dtownral
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this is the moronic "not being tolerant of intolerant assholes is intolerance!" argument and it's moronic

[Edited on March 21, 2017 at 9:15 AM. Reason : m]

3/21/2017 9:15:43 AM

NyM410
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The people who call me racist are the real racists.

It's basically how Richard Spencer eats.

3/21/2017 9:18:12 AM

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I'm all for a bartender not serving MAGA boy if they don't want to, but that should be the rule in general. Let businesses determine who they do and don't serve. If you don't like it, don't spend money there.

The one problem with that is how stupid the leftists have become with comments like

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"^^ it's okay to not allow nazis into your business"


When a portion of your population has been brainwashed into thinking a candidate they don't like is Fascist/Nazi/Hitler/Russian/Racist/Islamaphobic/Sexist/Evil... you don't really want to trust them when it comes to determining who to discriminate against.

Fortunately, these leftists almost never own actual businesses, though they do probably work overwhelmingly in food services and can still harass people for their political affiliations... which seems slightly fascist to me. But you know, the narrative and what not.

3/21/2017 9:33:09 AM

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the fundamental issue here is that I disagree with JCE's initial statement. The bartenders were in the wrong by not serving him. If he had a hat that said "kill gay people" then it would be a different story

We live in a society.

3/21/2017 9:41:33 AM

Cherokee
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^I am much more inline with what you just said there.

3/21/2017 9:44:25 AM

JCE2011
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^^That goes to my second point of not being able to trust businesses/employees when it comes to appropriately discriminating customers. The population is too stupid/misinformed/brainwashed.

If you're a leftist, you think Trump is evil, you think you are morally justified in harassing a Trump person. It's the inevitable result of a 100% partisan media... we have entrenched echo-chambers and while both encampments are generally stupid, the left is stupid AND violent.

[Edited on March 21, 2017 at 9:54 AM. Reason : .]

3/21/2017 9:54:17 AM

Dentaldamn
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is "leftist" the new cute phrase that fascists use to describe liberals?

3/21/2017 10:11:25 AM

NyM410
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Anecdotes of leftist violence is OK but citing Charleston or Quebec is narrative.

3/21/2017 10:13:44 AM

Dentaldamn
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Also countless gay people getting the shit beat out of them across the country.

3/21/2017 10:23:28 AM

NyM410
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Scott Foval.

3/21/2017 10:26:46 AM

JCE2011
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"Anecdotes of leftist violence is OK but citing Charleston or Quebec is narrative."


Charleston and Quebec had nothing to do with Clinton vs Trump. Quebec wasn't in America. Dylan Roof had no affiliation with the GOP. Also if you're referencing SHOOTINGS let's remember that Omar Mateen was a democrat, so by your stupid logic I guess that means you can chalk up 50 deaths to the left? Notice how the Quebec guy "likes" 1 Trump video on facebook, and the leftists make a narrative out of it, but Omar Mateen is a registered democrat and we get *crickets*. (Muh Narrative!)

Either way I wasn't talking about crazies shooting people, I was talking about the everyday-people harassment and violence you see from the anti-Trump crowd. It is exclusively one sided. When you convince the stupidest 20% of America that they are victims and that Trump is Hitler, you are enabling such stupid behavior.

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"Also countless gay people getting the shit beat out of them across the country."


That's a great narrative you're parroting, but I can't help but notice you have no evidence. Reminds me of the "anti-semetic hate crime" narrative that was revealed as a leftist fake news journalist calling in bomb threats (though the gullible SJWs bought it anyway). Also a thing to note, your side is the one exclusively involved in hate crime hoaxes... remember the "vote Trump" black church that got burned? remember the Clock Boy hoax, remember the Mizzou race hoax... how many times until you leftists learn?

[Edited on March 21, 2017 at 10:49 AM. Reason : .]

3/21/2017 10:48:27 AM

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lolz

3/21/2017 11:07:32 AM

eyewall41
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Remember when Republicans said being under FBI investigation was disqualifying when it comes to being president?

3/21/2017 11:15:07 AM

NyM410
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^^^ that is some crazy level of cognitive dissonance.

And can you make up your mind on leftists? You rotate between calling everyone on here a leftist and then deciding only a few are.

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"Either way I wasn't talking about crazies shooting people, I was talking about the everyday-people harassment and violence you see from the anti-Trump crowd. "


Which is... highly anecdotal!

[Edited on March 21, 2017 at 12:02 PM. Reason : X]

3/21/2017 12:01:48 PM

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No, I'm not referencing isolated anecdotal cases. I'm saying if you look at every case of political violence the past year or so, it is overwhelmingly leftist-caused. If you look at every case of a hate crime hoax, it is 100% leftist-caused.

Your side is the one protesting and rioting over everything, convincing people the other side is evil, justifying divisive, race-baiting groups, paying protestors to start fights at opponent rallies... it isn't even close. The fact that you don't see this is a testament to the echo-chamber you inhabit.

3/21/2017 12:25:18 PM

Dentaldamn
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Oh that guy killed a bunch of people??!!!

NOT GOP INVOLED LALALALA.

3/21/2017 12:27:08 PM

dtownral
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This is a great narrative you're parroting, JCE2011, but I can't help but notice you have no evidence.

3/21/2017 12:32:25 PM

Cherokee
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I think I've officially given up on giving Spicer the benefit of the doubt.

Yesterday, he basically simultaneously said that the investigation of Trump/Russia collusion meant nothing, but the investigation of whether Trump was wiretapped was ongoing and should be taken seriously.

But, the Trump/Russia investigation actually has evidence, and is a real investigation whereas there's zero evidence for the wiretapping, and there's no real investigation happening aside from Congress saying there is.

In other words, the FBI is investigating Trump/Russia. It is no longer investigating Trump's wiretap lies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/03/20/spicer-just-the-beginning-phase-of-whether-trump-tower-was-surveilled/?utm_term=.536b15efbad8

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"White House press secretary Sean Spicer continued Monday to defend President Trump’s claims that Trump's predecessor ordered surveillance of Trump Tower during the presidential election campaign, even as FBI Director James B. Comey testified to Congress that there is “no information” supporting that claim.

“We are still at the beginning phase of a look as to what kind of surveillance took place and why,” Spicer told reporters at his daily briefing at the White House."


[Edited on March 21, 2017 at 12:33 PM. Reason : asdf]

3/21/2017 12:32:53 PM

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"Also a thing to note, your side is the one exclusively involved in hate crime hoaxes... remember the "vote Trump" black church that got burned? remember the Clock Boy hoax, remember the Mizzou race hoax"


Exclusively?

Remember Ashley Todd?

Dumbass

3/21/2017 1:03:25 PM

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Wow, I actually didn't know there had ever been a right wing hate crime hoax. Very rare indeed.

So its 1-100000 on the hate crime hoax scoreboard, you're still losing... bigly

3/21/2017 1:14:50 PM

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^Maybe you should research before claiming exclusively? Just a thought. What you are doing now is what debaters call...



The Weasel

[Edited on March 21, 2017 at 1:21 PM. Reason : size]

3/21/2017 1:20:33 PM

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IN response to his twitter claims that Obama "wire-tapped" his phones:

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" On Friday, Trump brushed off a question about the controversy by saying, "All we did was quote a certain very talented legal mind, who was the one responsible for saying that on television. I didn't make an opinion on it. That was a statement made by a very talented lawyer on Fox."

Trump added, "You shouldn't be talking to me, you should be talking to Fox. Ok?"


How can he get away with that? How could anyone defend this?

3/21/2017 4:43:49 PM

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http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/03/politics/trump-putin-russia-timeline/

3/21/2017 4:56:17 PM

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"^Maybe you should research before claiming exclusively? Just a thought. What you are doing now is what debaters call..."


If you think losing the "hate crime hoax" count 1-1000 instead of 0-1000 is a victory, then that is a pretty low bar, even for the regressive left.

3/21/2017 5:04:33 PM

Dentaldamn
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Are you really getting your panties in a bunch over hate crime hoaxes???

3/21/2017 5:08:26 PM

Bullet
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^^lol, just pulling numbers out of the air (as you've done in the past)? freaking hack.



[Edited on March 21, 2017 at 5:10 PM. Reason : ]

3/21/2017 5:09:26 PM

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"If you think losing the "hate crime hoax" count 1-1000 instead of 0-1000 is a victory"


If you think you have demonstrated that the actual count is 1-1000, you're a fucking idiot.

...But then, we already knew you're a fucking idiot.

You were wrong about "exclusively". I see no evidence now that you're right about a majority either...You're just pulling numbers out of your ass.

Why you think that would convince anyone of anything is just more evidence for your idiocy.

3/21/2017 5:12:17 PM

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Guys. You forget that the anecdotes he cherry picks make his arguments infallible.

3/21/2017 5:17:10 PM

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