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nacstate
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Every time I think he can't go do something even dumber and more indicative of how unqualified he is to be president he asks me to hold his beer.

5/16/2017 1:23:29 PM

rjrumfel
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All those people that voted for him, he's going to lose their support eventually.

They voted for him to give them jobs and economic security, and all he's doing is playing footsies with Russia. Even if he wanted to devote time to the Rust Belt, he can't because he's constantly mired in these scandals and is spinning his wheels defending himself, whether right or wrong, against all these stories.

5/16/2017 1:54:00 PM

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So you're saying he still deserves a chance?

5/16/2017 1:55:39 PM

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1 - Leftist tabloid spins an anti-Trump narrative
2 - Leftist hack reads anti-Trump narrative and gets triggered
3 - Leftist hack says "This will surely be the end of Trump!"

(Repeat daily for the next 4 years)

[Edited on May 16, 2017 at 2:05 PM. Reason : .]

5/16/2017 2:04:57 PM

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So instead of actually trying to come up with some logical defense for what's happening in the WH right now, your only strategy is to call people names and keep repeating "fake news." Clever.

guess you might as well own this method of approach now and carry it with you all the way to Trump's resignation/impeachment/arraignment/execution/whatever

5/16/2017 2:08:24 PM

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You brainwashed leftists keep pulling these made up narratives out of your ass, and then expect non-leftists to take you seriously?

You don't need a "logical defense" against an illogical bullshit smear campaign...

5/16/2017 2:21:44 PM

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So what you're saying is that everything Trump has done in his first 4 months is A-Okay with you? No concerns or red-flags raised whatsoever?

5/16/2017 2:26:57 PM

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Here is how it works: Rather than defend President Trump’s specific actions, his conservative champions change the subject to (1) the biased “fake news” media, (2) over-the-top liberals, (3) hypocrites on the left, (4) anyone else victimizing Mr. Trump or his supporters and (5) whataboutism, as in “What about Obama?” “What about Clinton?”"

We're just a few posts away from JCE2011 BINGO!!!!

5/16/2017 2:35:12 PM

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To ujustwait...what kind of goggles is it through which you view my posts?

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying he's toast in the eyes of many of those that voted for him in the Rust Belt. Let's be honest, it's those blue collar, almost or maybe Democrats that swung his way that got him elected. I'm sure they're already looking at someone else for 2020. For them Trump isn't keeping his eye on the prize.

There are those that are going to vote for Trump no matter what, but the ones that got him elected are not those people.

Ford just announced 20k layoffs. Where's Trump in stopping that? When was the last time he had one of his flashy jobs announcements?

Do I think there is some hypocrisy in the media with the Russian reporting? Sure. I wonder if other presidents have done similar things like Trump, but everyone in that president's circle was loyal enough to not leak it? Whatever, it doesn't matter now.

What does matter is his seemingly inability to stop giving the media mountains of material. I wonder if he's doing it on purpose? That...that has to be it, right? Nobody at this level can be that stupid can they?


[Edited on May 16, 2017 at 2:50 PM. Reason : ?]

5/16/2017 2:40:18 PM

thegoodlife3
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what more does he have to do to prove to you that he is a very dumb person?

and what hypocrisy is there with the media and their reporting on the Russia story?

5/16/2017 2:58:42 PM

NyM410
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JCE was really, really concerned about the handling of potentially classified information last year. Wonder what changed?

[Edited on May 16, 2017 at 3:00 PM. Reason : ^^^ that article legit describes him perfectly]

5/16/2017 2:59:35 PM

rjrumfel
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^^I've said at least several times that I think he's pretty stupid. He's a child trying to do an adult's job.

And as far as the hypocrisy, I'm just not gonna bring it up any more, because you'll belittle me and compare me to a Trump supporter.

5/16/2017 3:42:59 PM

thegoodlife3
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or you can just make your argument instead of being afraid of what people on the internet will say about said argument

believe it or not, it's can be a good thing to have your frame of reference met with a counter argument

[Edited on May 16, 2017 at 3:51 PM. Reason : .]

5/16/2017 3:46:21 PM

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I'm not sure if people are intentionally missing the major differences or just echoing CNN outcry. Three major points.

1. The information wasn't put onto a private server where it was vulnerable to be stolen
2. The information was voluntarily given to the Russians
3. The US shares classified information with other countries all of the time especially those who share a battlefield

You guys were fine with the Obama era policy of working with AlQaeda in Syria sharing money and arms with them. They probably give us information in return. These are the type of rebels that would be at stake from Russia getting the information. I'm not losing any sleep over that.

5/16/2017 5:57:38 PM

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"and what hypocrisy is there with the media and their reporting on the Russia story?"


how about when nobody seemed to care too much bill/hillary getting hundreds of thousands $ for a speech from RUSSIANS then same russians got a bunch of uranium in deal ok'ed by hillary's state dept but its been everyday wall to wall coverage about trump/russia

5/16/2017 6:04:21 PM

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Regarding Uranium: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/mar/28/fact-checking-donald-trumps-tweets-about-hillary-c/

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"In 2010, Hillary Clinton, as secretary of state, was one of nine federal agency heads to sign off on Russia’s purchase of a controlling stake in Uranium One, an international mining company headquartered in Canada with operations in several U.S. states. It was part of a regular process for approving international deals involving strategic assets, such as uranium, that could have implications for national security. Uranium One’s U.S. mines produced about 11 percent of the country’s total uranium production in 2014, according to Oilprice.com.

But even with its control of Uranium One, Russia cannot export the material from the United States. Russia was likely more interested in Uranium One’s assets in Kazakhstan, the world’s largest uranium producer."


You should read the entire thing too, but I just wanted to point out that the uranium can't be exported...

5/16/2017 6:19:34 PM

tulsigabbard
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So it turns out that the source of the intel was Israel, and they have no problem with what Trump did. So after all of that crying, at the end of the day, the leaker is the only one who committed a crime.

5/16/2017 7:52:57 PM

NyM410
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If Earl was real (he isn't) he'd be the poster boy for a leftist supporter of Trump.

5/16/2017 9:13:55 PM

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"1. The information wasn't put onto a private server where it was vulnerable to be stolen
2. The information was voluntarily given to the Russians"


Trust me, giving information to Russians voluntarily is far worse than making it "vulnerable to being stolen"

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"3. The US shares classified information with other countries all of the time especially those who share a battlefield"


it wasnt our information to share

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"So it turns out that the source of the intel was Israel, and they have no problem with what Trump did."


You have absolutely zero way to confirm either of those things b/c, unlike Trump, Israel isnt generally careless with class data.

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" So after all of that crying, at the end of the day, the leaker is the only one who committed a crime."


The president is held to a higher standard then "DID HE DO A CRIME????"

5/16/2017 9:23:50 PM

tulsigabbard
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"Trust me, giving information to Russians voluntarily is far worse than making it "vulnerable to being stolen""

Why? Do you want Russia to lose airliners to terrorists? Do you not want to work with Russia to destroy ISIS? Why do some people think Russia is a bigger enemy than ISIS? Really strange take that I haven't heard explained ever.

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"You have absolutely zero way to confirm either of those things b/c, unlike Trump, Israel isnt generally careless with class data."

I realize this article was published a few minutes after my post, but I tend to get news before the major networks release it. BTW, we have no way to confirm any of these things being reported by news organizations. A lot of hearsay thus far.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/world/middleeast/israel-trump-classified-intelligence-russia.html

5/16/2017 9:32:39 PM

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1) you compare making class info more vulnerable to freely giving it away
2) i respond to that claim
3) "WHOA YOU THINK RUSSIA IS WORSE THAN ISIS??"


For the confirmation, it was more the 2nd part that mattered. For the first part, it was more that Israel refused to comment on their part so we're forced to rely on "hearsay", while Trump gave a first hand confirmation of his part. As for whether Israel "cared," if you take their diplomatic statement as some proof that they dont care, that is very naive.

As for whether he should have told and why its bad or not, lets take parties A, B, C and D.

Party A tells party B hey i trust you so here is this secret about how to protect you against party C, who is v dangerous. We (Party A) could be damaged and in more danger if this secret is given out so dont tell anyone without asking. Here comes Party D who is considered very untrustworthy by most of Parties B and (probably?) A. But Party B decides to tell D w/out asking A,whether through carelessness or noble intentions towards Party D.

If you're Party A, how do you feel about your future secret sharing with party B? How do you feel that they showed no care about potentially putting you in further danger?

"no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case but his actions were extremely careless"

5/16/2017 10:05:44 PM

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So Trump asked Comey to stop investigating Russian connections and asked about imprisoning journalists and Comey has receipts

And when asked if he also wrote memos about conversations with Obama he said he didn't because conversations with Obama were routine and he was truthful

Lol

5/17/2017 6:50:09 AM

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I am still waiting for "the pivot" LOL.

5/17/2017 8:35:14 AM

rjrumfel
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What's the best thing to talk about during the Coast Guard commencement speech? Why yourself of course. Tell all those graduates how unfairly you've been treated! That's the kind of advice they need to be successful in their future careers!

5/17/2017 2:43:34 PM

thegoodlife3
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how do you feel that the media has been hypocritical in their reporting of the Russia story?

5/17/2017 2:54:27 PM

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""Look at the way I have been treated lately, especially by the media," he said. "No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly. You can't let them get you down, you can't let the critics and the naysayers get in the way of your dreams."

The comment was well received by the pro-Trump crowd. People in "Make America Great Again" hats and Trump shirt applauded as the President slammed succumbing adversity.

"I guess that is why we won," Trump said, a reference to his 2016 election win, something the President often does....

"Adversity makes your stronger," he added. "Don't give in. Don't back down and never stop doing what you know is right. Nothing worth doing ever, ever, ever came easy. And the more righteous your fight, the most opposition you will face."

"The people understand what I am doing and that is the most important thing," Trump said. "I didn't get elected to serve the Washington media or special interest." ...

"We've saved the second amendment," he said, after touting his work on immigration, job creation and tax reform."


[Edited on May 17, 2017 at 3:12 PM. Reason : ]

5/17/2017 2:59:38 PM

tulsigabbard
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"As for whether he should have told and why its bad or not, lets take parties A, B, C and D.

Party A tells party B hey i trust you so here is this secret about how to protect you against party C, who is v dangerous. We (Party A) could be damaged and in more danger if this secret is given out so dont tell anyone without asking. Here comes Party D who is considered very untrustworthy by most of Parties B and (probably?) A. But Party B decides to tell D w/out asking A,whether through carelessness or noble intentions towards Party D.

If you're Party A, how do you feel about your future secret sharing with party B? How do you feel that they showed no care about potentially putting you in further danger?"


-Party B is trying to protect everyone.
-Party D is in danger
-Party A was never supposed to know. Its the leakers fault.
-Everyone's main agenda should be to stop party C. Party A seems to have some sort of ulterior motive that doesn't represent the values of the rest of the group.

This is, at worst, a classic trolley problem except the trolley is full of Russians and the Israeli intelligence source is on the track.

5/17/2017 6:30:35 PM

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"how do you feel that the media has been hypocritical in their reporting of the Russia story?"


LOL

5/17/2017 6:39:01 PM

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Butthurt

5/17/2017 7:25:40 PM

bdmazur
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"You brainwashed leftists keep pulling these made up narratives out of your ass"


Trump admits to doing something

Trump supporters still call it fake

5/17/2017 8:35:30 PM

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fucking brazen liars and conmen

https://www.facebook.com/senatorsanders/videos/10155915412222908/

5/18/2017 5:53:19 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh7BRK6yNvU

The Trump Team knew about Flynn before he came to the white house.

5/18/2017 7:20:46 AM

tulsigabbard
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This is starting to look like a classic case of the boy who cried wolf.

All of that BS about Russia might have muddied the waters for anything Trump did that was actually egregious.


..especially if stuff like this is true (i have no idea if its fake news or not)
https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+shared+classified+information&oq=obama+shar&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l5.4447j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

5/18/2017 3:40:11 PM

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5/18/2017 4:10:55 PM

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5/19/2017 3:09:44 PM

JCE2011
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Wow, such breaking news! Almost as big as the time Trump asked for 2 scoops of icecream. Damn fine journalism! I'm sure the DNC will thumbs up that article, thanks for sharing!

5/19/2017 5:23:06 PM

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5/19/2017 5:40:25 PM

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Multiple reports out now Kushner is a person of interest in a criminal probe. FBI is also expanding scope of investigation to a cover-up, and trump apparently told the Russians that firing nut job comey takes the heat ofF of him.

5/19/2017 8:02:21 PM

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Pardons comin.

*** in all seriousness I think Trump himself is guilty of being an idiot and that is all. That said, he really needs to listen to councel (sic) and be quiet or he will eventually be questioned for obstruction.

Also, he is in charge of the DoJ obviously. What is preventing him from firing the DAG and putting an interim in place who quashed this? He obviously doesn't care about optics (stupid word needs to go away) and it is well within his Constitutional rights...

[Edited on May 19, 2017 at 9:27 PM. Reason : Firing]

5/19/2017 9:22:42 PM

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cover up + obstruction = impeachment/resignation

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/opinion/whats-the-matter-with-republicans.html

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In a perverse way, we should count ourselves lucky that Trump is as terrible as he is. Think of what it has taken to get us to this point — his Twitter addiction, his bizarre loyalty to Flynn and affection for Putin, the raw exploitation of his office to enrich his family, the business dealings, whatever they were, he’s evidently trying to cover up by refusing to release his taxes.

The point is that given the character of the Republican Party, we’d be well on the way to autocracy if the man in the White House had even slightly more self-control. Trump may have done himself in; but it can still happen here."



[Edited on May 19, 2017 at 9:38 PM. Reason : a]

[Edited on May 19, 2017 at 9:38 PM. Reason : a]

5/19/2017 9:25:15 PM

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For some reason, Trump in Saudi Arabia makes me think of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqJDuZIcQ34

[Edited on May 20, 2017 at 8:54 AM. Reason : Sahoodis in Ahoodis]

5/20/2017 8:53:27 AM

dtownral
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hey remember that time when trump criticized saudi arabia? lol, good times

5/20/2017 12:29:34 PM

NyM410
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This fucking country sucks. Are we seriously litigating Trump versus Obama bowing?

5/20/2017 1:24:15 PM

tulsigabbard
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The white house has released pictures of the crowd that showed up to see Trump in Saudi Arabia

5/20/2017 1:56:35 PM

KeB
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I'm still waiting for Aston Kutcher to jump out and tell everyone they have been punked. He constantly trips over his own hypocrisy. Any Trump supporters care to explain this one???

5/20/2017 2:59:02 PM

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^ http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-39984830/melania-trump-didnt-wear-a-headscarf-but-does-it-matter

He is a hypocrite, we all know that.

Only time you will see this ever:

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-39988492/trump-in-saudi-arabia-us-president-joins-ceremonial-sword-dance

5/20/2017 7:29:20 PM

tulsigabbard
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So Trump's speech from the "radical Islamist" country won't include the words "radical islamist"

5/21/2017 4:57:14 AM

NyM410
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That's a good thing. It was always nonsense people used to get mad at Obama for that of all things.

5/21/2017 9:44:38 AM

tulsigabbard
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^Yeah but It was Trump doing it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXRySeKJz9o

5/21/2017 1:49:15 PM

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https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/08/make-india-great-again-fighter-jet-giants-look-to-move-production-to-india.amp.html

Anyone remember the right wing going nuts about India building f16s taking American jobs? Trumps Saudi deal has them building apache helicopters.

5/21/2017 2:37:31 PM

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