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Patman
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Seems a little weird to bring up an issue from 50 years ago. It's pretty easy to take out of context.

6/28/2019 4:17:46 PM

dtownral
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Okay so this is definitely trolling then

6/28/2019 4:40:48 PM

rwoody
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^^how recent does something have to happen to be relevant to you what's the cutoff? Also how much behavior are you willing to ignore bc it was 50 years ago?

The obvious answer though, is he was asked about it and defended it, today, in 2019. If he had showed contrition, maybe it doesn't come up?

6/28/2019 5:00:46 PM

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6/28/2019 5:19:17 PM

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Warren has the best fav:unfav ratio followed by Harris.

Castro is in the best position now if the 2nd tier candidates

[Edited on June 28, 2019 at 5:20 PM. Reason : ]

6/28/2019 5:20:14 PM

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At least recent enough that we can discuss it in context. Busing was wildly unpopular, both with whites and blacks. You Biden haters are trying to judge the issue based on the current Trump hysteria.

Contrition? Lol, that would be surrendering to the far left. Why would he do that. He should stand his ground.

[Edited on June 28, 2019 at 5:25 PM. Reason : ?]

6/28/2019 5:22:41 PM

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https://twitter.com/BoxrecGrey/status/1144495391221485568/video/1?

[Edited on June 28, 2019 at 5:26 PM. Reason : ]

6/28/2019 5:25:38 PM

Patman
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Joe's numbers look pretty good to me. So much for his campaign being in turmoil, lol.

6/28/2019 5:27:35 PM

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Maybe unpopular opinion(?): being Obama's VP isnt a bona fide for Biden in regards to his background on racial issues, hidden wasnt selected because of any kind of progressive views 9n race he was selected because he brought long term political inside experience/credibility to a young and fresh candidate. No one is claiming Biden is an outright racist, how does him accepting the VP add any credibility in regards to his position on a racial issue? Hes not opposed to being on the ticket with a black man therefore we cant criticize his past?

6/28/2019 6:43:25 PM

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I don't think anybody is claiming being Obama's VP is his cred on civil rights issues. He has a long history of his own accomplishments.

6/28/2019 7:20:14 PM

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He just can’t and won’t back down from past positions. It’s a character flaw.

When you’ve been around as long as he and Bernie have been there will be skeletons in your closet. Bernie said similar things about busing on the record in the past but has the wherewithal and humility to admit he was wrong and move past it.

Biden is a bit Trumpian in that way.

6/28/2019 7:21:48 PM

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Why should he back down? That's how you lose the election. There are different factions in the party. The far left is loud right now. He's a moderate. If he moves to the left, the far left still isn't going to vote for him. If a far left candidate wins the primary, to many moderate and right-leaning democrats will vote for Trump and Trump will be re-elected.

6/28/2019 7:32:40 PM

dtownral
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^^^ it's a talking point I heard biden surrogates make multiple times today and I didnt even watch that much tv

6/28/2019 9:32:34 PM

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Convoluted graph showing how support has changed

6/28/2019 10:02:43 PM

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You didn't really explain your first graphic so this one is pretty on brand for u

6/28/2019 10:46:02 PM

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First graphic is favorability/unfavorability rating before and after each debate

This second one is supporters “would vote for today” for each candidate after each debate.

6/28/2019 11:16:28 PM

Patman
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It's interesting that Harris' win came at the expense of Warren.

6/28/2019 11:20:44 PM

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I can't decide which graphic is dumber

Somebody help

6/29/2019 12:01:50 AM

moron
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You’re very irascible

6/29/2019 1:17:08 AM

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there is nothing dumb about the first chart

6/29/2019 10:32:11 AM

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https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1124062062509010964?s=19

6/29/2019 2:37:17 PM

horosho
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Howard Dean accidentally leaked the DNC's strategy for taking down Bernie.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/c6sj2u/howard_dean_admits_all_dems_will_walk_back_their/

It completely explains the purpose of Warren and also explains Harris constant flip/flop. The crazy thing is when I went to show this video from a friend, it was wiped from the entire internet except reddit and cell phone recordings of the original.



On a side note, Bernie just got endorsements from all of the "knock down the house" candidates minus AOC. Of course, the media hasn't reported this at all so it won't matter much at all.

6/29/2019 4:41:38 PM

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https://twitter.com/AJentleson/status/1145355681765027840?s=19

6/30/2019 1:03:02 PM

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[Edited on July 1, 2019 at 2:15 PM. Reason : E]

7/1/2019 2:15:09 PM

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https://twitter.com/jeffzeleny/status/1145784144779206657?s=21

Biden should’ve taken my advice and just had a seven month nap.

Also, has to be worrying for Bernie that he didn’t benefit from any of the Biden collapse.

(Usual hedges — early, just one poll, etc).

7/1/2019 4:02:10 PM

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Why would Bernie be worried about not being able to absorb a demographic of Biden conservatives? DNC strategy may be to court conservative voters but Bernie has never been interested in selling out the base to try.

7/1/2019 5:40:18 PM

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[Edited on July 1, 2019 at 5:49 PM. Reason : V correct ]

7/1/2019 5:46:33 PM

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58% of people had an improved view of Harris? They must not have talked about truancy courts at the debate.

7/1/2019 5:48:50 PM

NyM410
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^^^ because he needs a larger coalition than he currently has to win the primary. Obviously.

I know you aren’t here to be a serious person but without peeling off some of the Africa American vote he has little chance.

7/1/2019 6:48:42 PM

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"he needs a larger coalition than he currently has to win the primary"

I disagree with this and its arrogant to think someone isn't serious just because they have a different ideology than you. Bernie already has a coalition large enough to win the general and the main reason he won't win the primary is because the rules were made to make it difficult for people who aren't democrats to vote. Most of Bernie's coalition are not democrats. I've been saying that on here for 3 years. Everyone in the Bernie camp has known this for a long time. The Ellison/Perez fiasco was important because he kept the rules anti-Bernie. On top of that, candidate saturation hurts Bernie the most. He almost beat one Hillary but now theres twenty of them. The campaign of Elizabeth Warren has been the biggest threat to Bernie. Go back and watch the Howard Dean clip I posted from CNN. Other candidates are preventing people from seeing Bernie's monopoly on medicare for all.

My biggest criticism of Bernie has been that he stayed in the party after knowing they screwed him and knowing that the democratic primary would be anything but democratic. He's hanging on to the idea that his base will register democrat just to vote for him AND the DNC won't screw him again. The problem with that is, after the deep red states all vote for conservative candidates, the media will talk most people out of voting by showing exaggerated bar graphs and saying he has no chance.

[Edited on July 2, 2019 at 12:16 AM. Reason : hell, kamala is simultaneously for and against medicare for all and the media lets her off]

7/2/2019 12:14:34 AM

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"I hope @MrAndyNgo is okay. Journalists should be safe to report on a protest without being targeted."

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1145755562816266240


going for that alt-right vote

[Edited on July 2, 2019 at 3:02 PM. Reason : /quote]]

7/2/2019 3:02:19 PM

dtownral
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Biden's support from black voters cut in half after debate: Reuters/Ipsos poll
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/bidens-support-from-black-voters-cut-in-half-after-debate-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKCN1TY1AM

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"Support for Biden among blacks, a critical Democratic voting bloc, was cut in half, with about two out of 10 saying they backed President Barack Obama’s former vice president, compared with four out of 10 in the June poll."


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"The poll found Harris now the third most popular candidate for the Democratic nomination, behind Biden and U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, who was backed by about 16 percent of Democrats and independents. Support for Harris, who was fourth in the previous poll, rose with black voters, as well as among women and people who make at least $100,000 a year."

7/3/2019 8:31:34 AM

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"Regardless of how you intend to vote in the Democratic primary for president, which candidate do you think has the best policy ideas?
[top responses]
Warren 31%
Sanders 18%
Biden 11%
Harris 8%
Buttigieg 3%
Booker 2%
(Quinnipiac U. Poll, Democrats/leaners, 6/28 - 7/1/19)"

7/3/2019 12:27:59 PM

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^Surprised Yang isn't on that list. And I'm curious exactly what policy ideas that 11% thinks Biden has.

7/7/2019 11:47:55 PM

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Yeah Yang didn't really register much on this one https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2631

7/8/2019 6:38:40 AM

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This just blows my mind:

7/8/2019 9:42:25 AM

Dentaldamn
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I really hate those shirts

7/8/2019 11:05:58 AM

dtownral
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what do you have against white button down shirts?

7/8/2019 11:25:30 AM

stowaway
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Swalwell out

7/8/2019 2:06:33 PM

bdmazur
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I've finally caught up on the debates. Here's how I feel about the only five candidates I feel had a right to still be in this thing:


Biden: showed even his own supporters that he's out of touch and over done.

Sanders: Amazing integrity to consistently stay on message and not go on the offensive. The kind of thing you expect from a front runner, but he isn't one. Didn't take advantage of how poorly Biden did.

Warren: Graceful, brilliant, steadfast. She played the cards she was dealt perfectly, and cashed in on not having to go head to head with Biden and Bernie. I was previously uneasy about voting for anyone over 70 but I'm sold.

Harris: She did a great job going after Biden, helped expose him for the failure he is. But I'm still waiting for someone to call her out on her own crappy record. I have a feeling she'll be the target next time around.

Buttigieg: Setting himself up nicely to be just about anyone's VP. I loved that he admitted failure on national television, such a breath of fresh air from typical politicians. Although he made it even more clear he's not ready for the big chair yet.

Everyone else should follow Swalwell's lead at this point and drop out.

7/9/2019 1:27:58 AM

dtownral
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Tom Steyer entering the race now

7/9/2019 8:40:10 AM

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The Buttigieg couple show their talents to the world way too early. Give them another 5-10 years and they will be much more productive.

7/9/2019 9:17:41 AM

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Polls that didn't fit the narrative (kamala/warren surging) were completely omitted by media coverage. The thing is, theres so many polls that the media can just cherry pick the ones that fit their narrative. The whole school of polling is pretty bogus anyway. "We're going to use landlines to poll relatively small sample of a specific group of people on who they might vote for if the election that happens in 18 months was today and then use that to determine who can, and will win that election"

"We're not going to tell you much at all about the actual candidates, and will let you hear two word answers during the debate but don't worry, because we will blast the polls nonstop so that you know who to vote for" .


https://www.politico.com/2020-election/democratic-presidential-candidates/polls/
This one is from today. Even when your own poll doesn't fit the narrative, it doesn't really matter, you can write the narrative! Just look how they use gymnastics to black bernie (2nd place) out of the narrative.
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"Joe Biden's standing dropped 7 points since the debate, while Kamala Harris has taken over Elizabeth Warren's spot as the third choice among voters according to our latest poll"

This kind of thing has a huge effect on people.

[Edited on July 9, 2019 at 10:30 PM. Reason : spend more time informing us , less time on polls. ]

[Edited on July 9, 2019 at 10:39 PM. Reason : bringing back the fairness doctrine could end fake news]

7/9/2019 10:28:23 PM

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