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UJustWait84
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Yes, that's what a Freudian slip means. He said something aloud he was thinking that he didn't mean/want to say, and once he said it, he quickly tried to "take it back." It was a horrible gaffe, and it should further contribute to the narrative that he's out of touch and unfit to be president, but not enough people are even paying attention, so it won't hurt him as much as it should.

8/9/2019 1:27:43 PM

Geppetto
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I was responding to the post above yours. Yours wasn’t there when I started.

8/9/2019 1:41:47 PM

BanjoMan
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"I'm not much of a Biden apologist but the reports are that he immediately corrected himself. Is that not what happened?"


gimme a break. Would y'all be so understanding if Trump had said that?

[Edited on August 9, 2019 at 1:46 PM. Reason : a]

8/9/2019 1:46:11 PM

Bullet
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Who's this "y'all" you're speaking to? I see one person defending him and a few bashing him.

8/9/2019 2:00:59 PM

BanjoMan
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at least two ITT are defending him, and nobody is really bashing him.

Anyways, are reparations going to be a big discussion topic during this election? I feel like that has more to do with baiting Trump into saying something racist than actual policy.

Thoughts?

8/9/2019 2:47:53 PM

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Who in this thread is defending him? Def nobody before your first post.


Btw his "correction" wasn't great either "white kids (pause, stutter) wealthy kids, black kids, Asian kids". Not really a correction so much as trying to play it off as the plan.

8/9/2019 2:59:22 PM

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Talk about whataboutisms

But

If Trump had said this, it would be the top story on CNN. They've buried this as a small headline somewhere under all the Trump stuff.

8/9/2019 3:00:56 PM

rwoody
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Trying to think of the difference hmmmm

8/9/2019 3:03:40 PM

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“And that’s why I’m forced, against my will, to vote for Trump again.”

- every Trump “skeptic” Republican

8/9/2019 3:16:35 PM

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jeebus rumfel

8/9/2019 4:02:14 PM

Bullet
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It is one of the top stories on Foxnews

It's also on the front page of CNN

8/9/2019 4:17:53 PM

thegoodlife3
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glad to see dude still has it

8/9/2019 4:47:19 PM

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^ yes, he definitely does.

8/9/2019 6:55:25 PM

BanjoMan
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CNN basically wrote a piece defending him. If Trump said that then the whole cite would be buzzing.

8/9/2019 9:32:03 PM

BanjoMan
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Y'all are a bunch of pawns if u can't see the difference.

8/9/2019 9:32:45 PM

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What's funny is the c isn't even next to the s.

8/9/2019 9:43:23 PM

rjrumfel
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Eh, it is what it is. We know what CNN is, we know what Fox is.

Vote with your heart, that's all you can do.

8/9/2019 9:49:39 PM

rwoody
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Trump is the president Biden is not. Trump has a long trail of racism that most people recognize, Biden's is much more subtle. Makes total sense they're covered differently.

8/9/2019 10:00:41 PM

BanjoMan
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Would be the same for any big GOPer. The current political system is just a means of control, just like religion in the middle ages .

8/9/2019 10:15:30 PM

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I didn’t mean to truly defend Biden, I didn’t know the full extent of what happened, was just clarifying a bit. I do disagree with the comparison to Trump though...he misspeaks just about every fucking time he opens his mouth and most of them are non stories at this point because the whole world recognizes he’s an awful public speaker at best, or can’t read and write over a 10th grade level more likely.

8/10/2019 9:05:04 AM

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racist or not you should clearly nominate a senile old fool.

8/10/2019 10:02:32 AM

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https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/elizabeth-warrens-ferguson-lie/

I find it interesting that one of the few examples where the description of events provided by a police officer who had shot an unarmed black man is taken at face value to be true is also one of the few that can’t be corroborated or refuted via video evidence.

I also like that the column criticizes Elizabeth Warren’s rhetoric and then immediately refers to Michael Brown as a “would-be cop killer”.

8/11/2019 7:23:47 PM

BanjoMan
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To be fair, the evidence against Brown in that case is pretty substantial.

Police brutality, specifically where an unarmed person (white or black) gets shot by a cop, boils down to police officers either not being trained or willing to subdue an unarmed person that is in the act of resisting arrest, or putting themselves in a situation where they are alone and forced into a "panic" shot. Both of these cases are preventable. Brown doesn't fall into that scenario.

[Edited on August 11, 2019 at 8:55 PM. Reason : a]

8/11/2019 8:44:59 PM

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Warren now the #2 candidate in the RCP average

8/13/2019 10:14:11 AM

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Interesting.

I saw the first really good Bernie poll in a while this morning. Gravis has him leading Biden and Warren in NH. Bernie should and needs to win there but still I hadn’t seen much good news for him recently until that.

I hate to see Biden staying flat and even gaining a bit nationally given all his recent nonsensical “gaffes.”

8/13/2019 11:02:42 AM

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Castro ad on Fox News
https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1161279270293053445?s=19

8/13/2019 11:09:41 AM

dtownral
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glad that he isn't walking back from the trump donor tweet

8/13/2019 11:13:59 AM

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I've been traveling for a long time but am not surprised Bernie didn't go up much in the polls after winning the last debate and Biden didn't come down. Biden can do no wrong. Biden thus Trump have this in the bag and they've been a lot more proactive about setting up the primary this go round. I doubt they'll even have to purge votes this time but we'll see. Things can always change especially when Bernie has the most and most widespread individual support and its not even close.

8/14/2019 2:03:49 PM

utowncha
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YouGov has warren even with biden.

8/14/2019 5:02:21 PM

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Hickenlooper OUT. Down to.. 23?

8/15/2019 7:02:22 AM

dtownral
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O'Rourke can go fuck himself, he should have launched his senate campaign after the speech he gave in el paso

8/16/2019 11:04:33 AM

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https://www.people-press.org/2019/08/16/most-democrats-are-excited-by-several-2020-candidates-not-just-their-top-choice/

this destroys the bernie bro myth

[Edited on August 16, 2019 at 3:50 PM. Reason : link]

8/16/2019 3:48:25 PM

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^Biden is following in Hillary's footsteps, gaining most of his primary support from states which will never vote Democrat anyway.

8/16/2019 5:06:48 PM

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What is the Bernie bro myth?

8/16/2019 5:09:18 PM

thegoodlife3
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women can be bros, too, my dudes

8/16/2019 5:22:44 PM

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Tulsi 2020

8/16/2019 5:49:27 PM

rwoody
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"@katewillett Statistically speaking, Biden supporters are overrepresented in the polls bc they are more likely to pick up the phone hoping it's their estranged grandchild calling to forgive them for being racist"


Lol

8/17/2019 8:17:52 PM

dtownral
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"What is the Bernie bro myth?"

that sanders supporters are mostly male, educated, wealthy bro's

8/17/2019 8:28:06 PM

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Joe Biden's wife today, paraphrased, "yea sure he sucks and had bad policies but you should still vote for him"

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".@DrBiden: "..So yes your candidate might be better on, I don’t know, healthcare than Joe is, but you’ve got to look at who’s going to win this election and maybe you have to swallow a little bit and say ok I personally like so and so better but your bottom line has to be that...
.@DrBiden: "...we have to beat Trump."

She later added, "You know you may like another candidate better but you have to look at who’s going to win...and Joe is that person”"

8/19/2019 5:41:41 PM

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"This Trump account posted a Yang/Trump poll last week and 73k votes later Yang is up 56/44. I know it's just Twitter, but I believe it's a legitimate reflection of real momentum for Yang."


youtube activity is another reflection of his increasing momentum

8/19/2019 6:02:21 PM

dtownral
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Lol, neither of those things mean nything

[Edited on August 19, 2019 at 10:26 PM. Reason : Ac]

8/19/2019 10:26:01 PM

rwoody
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Castro qualifies. Thats 10.

8/20/2019 11:53:29 AM

Geppetto
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Ron Paul had some serious grassroots, Twitter and certainly YouTube following in 2008. None of those items really amounted to much regarding election.

8/20/2019 12:12:02 PM

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In Q2 Yang raised 2.4M. It's halfway through Q3 and he's already raised 3.5M. That's momentum.
At the end of Q2 Yang hit 130k unique donors. Last week he hit 200k donors. That's momentum.

Not saying this means he WILL win the nomination. But he does have momentum.

8/20/2019 12:57:51 PM

dtownral
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technically momentum, like Jay Inslee momentum

[Edited on August 20, 2019 at 1:24 PM. Reason : it's less than republican primary candidates who dropped out before 2016]


[Edited on August 20, 2019 at 1:34 PM. Reason : less than some of the first democrats to drop out jan 2008]

8/20/2019 1:20:27 PM

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Sounds even more analogous to Paul, who became the largest donor declination by Q4 (~$19MM that quarter) and has started around $1MM in Q1.

8/20/2019 1:31:54 PM

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So looking at the 10 candidates who have qualified for the September debate

Biden - his poll numbers been sliding since he launched the campaign. sure he took a big hit after Kamala's attacks, and it took him a whole month to recover to where he was at the end of June, and the last 3 weeks he's just keep sliding at the same rate he did May & June. I expect the slide to continue.

Warren - definitely has momentum last 2 months. she's doing well lately

Sanders - been stuck at 16% +/- 1% since Biden entered the race. Sanders has a very enthusiastic base, but that's his ceiling imo. He's the same person he was in 16 as he was in 76. Sanders isn't gonna do anything in the next 6 months to significantly grow his base. If harris/beto/buttigieg/booker drop out, those supporters don't significantly go to Bernie vs Biden or Warren

Harris - she's back in the 7-8% range before her attacks on Biden. losing momentum.

Buttigieg - been on a slow slide since his launch excitement. 8% peak been dropping 1%/month, now below 5%. lots of money raised, but public enthusiasm waning.

Beto - a worse performing version of Buttigieg. Been hovering at 3% +/- 1% since launch. no momentum

Booker, Klobuchar and Castro are about the same story. Hovering around 1-3% since launches. Castro I'll say has had a little bit of momentum lately, but it's hard to see him break out of the pack

Yang - Yang is in his own lane in this race, and he's using it well lately. Not all voters identify with the Sanders/Warren unapologeticly progressive wing or the Biden/Harris/Buttigieg/Beto/Booker/Klobuchar/Castro stereotypical politician wing.


As for those who haven't qualified for the September debates, Tulsi is the only one with any momentum. Tulsi and Inslee have both hit the 130k donor threshold, but still needs to make qualifying polls before the 28th. Delaney, Gillibrand and the rest are done.


^ you're right, very similar to Paul. will DNC kneecap Yang or other candidates like the RNC did to Paul? hard to say, seems the DNC is more sensitive to accusations of manipulation after 16, but that may only apply to Sanders/Warren.

my point is, Yang is one of the few with actual sustained momentum over the last few months. will it translate to the nomination or adoption of some of his platform by others? we'll just have to see

[Edited on August 20, 2019 at 2:33 PM. Reason : .]

8/20/2019 2:10:14 PM

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10 is a bit too much for my tastes. ideally if it were 8 or below then we could really start to see some variation and indicators of who matters. Today there are just too many camps that people in that top 10 have to exit before any real clarity can come.

8/20/2019 2:55:38 PM

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It'll get down to Biden, Warren, Sanders, Harris, Buttigieg, Yang before too long.

[Edited on August 20, 2019 at 4:37 PM. Reason : these are the only candidates to have over 200k unique donors]

8/20/2019 2:57:42 PM

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^^^ I feel like there's a reason you mentioned everyone else's numbers but not Yang's

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"In Q2 Yang raised 2.4M. It's halfway through Q3 and he's already raised 3.5M"


To put those numbers into context (and as qntm referred to): Buttigieg raised 7M in Q1, and 24M in Q2.

[Edited on August 20, 2019 at 3:12 PM. Reason : but yangs fundraising is still positive momentum. lots of democratic candidates can't say the same.]

8/20/2019 3:04:24 PM

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