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thegoodlife3
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Elizabeth Warren was really good at Broughton tonight, despite tripping and falling as she ran on stage

11/7/2019 9:36:21 PM

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https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/elizabeth-warren-co-signs-dababy-and-megan-thee-stallion-over-lizzo-and-snoop-dogg-news.95126.html

[Edited on November 7, 2019 at 9:41 PM. Reason : headlines i didn't expect to read today]

11/7/2019 9:40:52 PM

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^^ i had planned on attending but wasn't able to. glad you got to make it

11/7/2019 11:24:09 PM

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gtfo Bloomberg

11/8/2019 10:07:28 AM

ElGimpy
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I don't quite understand how Bloomberg doesn't see that jumping into the race would nearly ensure one of the candidates he doesn't want will win the nomination

11/8/2019 10:56:11 AM

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you can't become a billionaire without a serious case of megalomania

the rich are mentally ill. extreme hoarders of power and wealth. can't get enough of it.

[Edited on November 8, 2019 at 11:00 AM. Reason : .]

11/8/2019 10:59:26 AM

moron
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My centrist cousin that doesn’t believe in global warming loves Bloomberg in the race

[Edited on November 8, 2019 at 11:02 AM. Reason : ]

11/8/2019 11:02:16 AM

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"centrist cousin that doesn’t believe in global warming"


umm.....

11/8/2019 11:06:59 AM

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Bloomberg has no business jumping in and I would only ever cast a vote for him if it was a binary choice between he and Trump.

That said, as far as mega-wealthy go he is at the upper end of them. I know enough about him and how he interacts with his lower level employees to know that. And he has done some good work with Everytown (Moms Demand) and climate change in general.

He isn’t some Koch brother and it’s unfair to lump him into that group.

[Edited on November 8, 2019 at 11:14 AM. Reason : If you deny climate change by definition you aren’t a centrist]

11/8/2019 11:13:42 AM

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Yeah real centrists believe in climate change they just don't think we should do anything meaningful to address it. Sign a few pledges here and there, ban straws, buy some teslas and call it a day.

[Edited on November 8, 2019 at 11:23 AM. Reason : ok bloomber]

11/8/2019 11:22:04 AM

NyM410
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Pretty much sadly.

Climate change denial is basically a non-existent outside of one political party in the entire world. It’s as fringe world-wise as flat earthers essentially.

11/8/2019 11:27:33 AM

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Doesn’t believe is not the right term. But he sees climate change as the trade off for the necessity of fossil fuel usage to power modern life.

11/8/2019 11:36:35 AM

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Thats basically one of the positions of the right
-climate change is real but its a good thing and we will benefit from additional arable land
-climate change is real but its caused by the sun
-climate change is real but its been happening since before humans and will keep happening after humans
-climate change is real but the suggested solutions are a marxist hoax
-climate change is real but the market will solve it, not the government
-climate change is real and we are causing it but the us government does not control the planet and wrecking our economy won't fix it

11/8/2019 1:25:37 PM

rwoody
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https://prospect.org/api/amp/power/billionaire-class-created-failed-wealth-tax-giving-pledge/

[Edited on November 8, 2019 at 2:56 PM. Reason : E]

11/8/2019 2:55:51 PM

BanjoMan
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"climate change is real but its been happening since before humans and will keep happening after humans"


This is still theoretically a plausible explanation

11/8/2019 3:44:51 PM

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^ that is actually true, but humans have accelerated it, starting in the industrial age, according to > 99% of scientists.

but deniers say humans haven't accelerated it when looking at the data, rather, the apparent acceleration is part of the natural cycle: it speeds up and slows down every X hundred years, according to them. of course, in their support, they bring up the < 1% contrarian scientists.


[Edited on November 8, 2019 at 4:12 PM. Reason : ]

11/8/2019 4:11:59 PM

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I'd happily vote for Bloomberg over any of the duds still left in the race (Biden, Tulsi, Steyer, Kamala, etc)

But I don't think he's actually running to win. Seems more of warning shot to Biden and the other front runners that they better not make the same mistakes the Dems did last time in 2016.

I guess we shall see...

11/8/2019 5:10:44 PM

dtownral
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Fucking lol man

Good joke

11/8/2019 6:12:50 PM

UJustWait84
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I don't take this whole thing seriously anyway, but if he somehow managed to improve his pretty dismal numbers and it came down to him or Trump in the general, it's kind of a no-brainer.

11/8/2019 6:58:47 PM

rwoody
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If you don't take it seriously why should anyone take your opinions on the subject seriously?

11/8/2019 7:09:27 PM

dtownral
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iT's kInD oF a nO bRaInEr

11/8/2019 9:04:38 PM

UJustWait84
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Y’all triggered by the thought/possibility of Bloomberg v. Trump.

I don’t blame you, but quit being so dramatic.

11/8/2019 11:22:45 PM

rwoody
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Now wait let me give some benefit of doubt

What is "this thing" that you don't take seriously? Bc on first read I assumed politics/the election in general, but on 2nd read maybe you mean Bloomberg candidacy?

11/8/2019 11:39:27 PM

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I’m starting to move closer to being a Bernie supporter.

One of trumps biggest problems is he completely undermines trust and credibility of institutions, from career people in government to treaties and alliances, to get people to trust only himself. I think this has possibly done some long term damage already.

To undue this I think someone who rigidly stands up for institutions is necessary. Even though institutions of democracy don’t always produce the best outcome it’s at least a predictable process (in theory) that you can believe is done in good faith.

Bernies long principled history makes him a credible Person to try and bring this form of democracy back, without making the wrong types of concessions a future trump would exploit.

11/8/2019 11:45:04 PM

UJustWait84
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^^ re-reading is always helpful, but yeah, no. I don’t take Bloomberg seriously at all.

11/9/2019 7:12:08 AM

rwoody
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Gotcha, then I rescind my snarkiness

11/9/2019 10:33:38 AM

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Warren is now the second choice among voters favoring each of the other top four candidates. Even if she doesn't get the most votes in the democratic primary, she's the most acceptable across the board. This is why we need ranked choice voting, because otherwise we're going to end up with Biden just because of the fake "electability" vote.

11/9/2019 4:10:23 PM

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Last chance for Hillary to retract her lies
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/469843-gabbard-lawyers-demand-retraction-of-clintons-defamation
I still haven't seen a single Hillary voter denounce her conspiracy theories which is strange from a group of people who always claim #FACTSMATTER. Goes to show Hillary voters really don't give a damn about facts so next time they wonder why Trump voters don't, remind them of moments like this.

11/11/2019 12:32:49 PM

UJustWait84
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TIL two wrongs DO make a right!

11/11/2019 12:50:45 PM

horosho
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You definitely learned that a long time ago because its the same thing as "vote for the lesser evil"

11/11/2019 1:05:11 PM

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^^^ I voted for Hillary and I've denounced her allegations against Tulsi.

Speaking of, Tulsi and Yang both got another qualifying poll for December today

11/11/2019 3:27:59 PM

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It’s just Earl. What she said is stupid. Just say Gabbard is an Assadist who actually wants us to drop more bombs in the Middle East and gets most of her support from Alt-right and conservatives. No need to make anything up. She’s awful and Clinton doesn’t need to say false things to convey that.

11/11/2019 4:43:48 PM

dtownral
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Hes just mad because the worst stuff Clinton said was about his hero, Jill Stein

11/11/2019 6:46:47 PM

horosho
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Yeah, what about the Stein claims? Are you guys only denouncing the false claims made against the democrat or are you actually against false claims?


and you are basically doing the same thing calling her an assadist? Meeting with someone is not supporting them. All you've done is taken the Russian part out of Hillary's conspiracy theory (rendering it senseless) and now claim she's somehow working for Assad. Imagine Asssad being so powerful he can buy a US congresswoman, garner supporter from the alt-right and all for what? 1/435th control over 1/3rd of the US government? but I'm pretty sure you never took the time to think about motive or any reasoning before adopting a claim someone fed you.

11/11/2019 7:10:28 PM

dtownral
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I wonder if Pete Buttigieg would be a Republican today if they didn't hate gay people

11/11/2019 7:56:11 PM

dtownral
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Biden is once again saying that after Trump is gone, Republicans will be willing to work with him

If Biden has that ability why didn't he use it during the Obama administration?

11/12/2019 8:44:58 AM

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Also, Trump was not even the favorite to win the primary when Mitch McConnell held up Merrick Garland, who was as uncontroversial a moderate as you can possibly dream of.

And the GOP hasn’t been that party since before Reagan, if ever.

Who is that even appealing to?

[Edited on November 12, 2019 at 9:17 AM. Reason : Rank stupidity]

11/12/2019 9:16:43 AM

dtownral
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he's appealing to the boomers who are comfortable in life and value no one rocking their boat over anything else

11/12/2019 9:21:15 AM

UJustWait84
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he's delusional if he thinks the GOP will want to work with him- especially given the whole Ukraine/Hunter corruption thing, even if it isn't true.

11/12/2019 10:30:14 AM

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i'm mad at the media because it seems like the obvious follow-up question for any interviewer is, "why do you think that, what is different now from when you were VP?" but i haven't seen anyone ask that question

11/12/2019 10:35:51 AM

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https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1194321730929598466?s=21

Another data point in the it is so utterly ridiculous giving Iowa and NH such outsized importance sample set.

11/12/2019 1:39:38 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmiqVD8xmm8
Thank goodness Krystal Ball is out there articulating my side.

"Just a player in the game" really hit me hard. Thats basically the mentality that maintains the status quo.

A lot of democratic voters are the same way in terms of "can't get a B". Its exactly how we end up with centrists who support policies that have a political cost. Warren talks like she wants to be progressive, but when put under pressure, never actually makes the statements that come with a cost.

11/12/2019 2:09:45 PM

dtownral
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i too hope donald trump wins if warren gets nominated

11/12/2019 2:11:05 PM

thegoodlife3
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dude really said, “say whatever you want about Donald Trump, do you think he’s ever been scared to answer tough questions? no! he loves sitting down for interviews. it’s one of his favorite things”

that shit was wild

11/12/2019 2:36:20 PM

dtownral
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trump already has a record number of court appointments, can you imagine another term of appointments (which, let's be honest, will include at least 1 SC judge if not in this term)

imagine thinking that helps move us to the left

11/12/2019 2:38:50 PM

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I used to like watching Krystal's videos. Then she went full-on Bernie Bro and can't stop tearing down every other democrat, except maybe Tulsi.

I love Bernie, I really do. But not to the point that no other candidate is even worth considering.

11/12/2019 2:59:27 PM

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Hear me out though. Your priority is getting any democrat in over trump, right? So lets assume you started hearing more and more people say "Bernie is the only one I'd vote for in the general" . If that was a credible, widespread threat, would it not make you flip to nominate Bernie?

The point isn't that every other candidate is evil, the point is to nominate Bernie in the first place because he's the best. If we're going to give that ultimatum, we have to make it real to apply real pressure. Simply preferring Bernie over other candidates is not enough. We have to actually be willing to sit out if they give us another center right nominee.

Telegraphing to the DNC (and democratic voters) that we're going to vote for the nominee no matter who it is guarantees we get a shitty nominee. The idea is that if the threat becomes real enough, at some point the rest of the democrats will realize "damn, we better nominate a genuine candidate so we don't alienate x% of the party who will only show up for a candidate with strong principles."

This is why I'll always vote 3rd party over centrist and encourage others to do so. I'm not worried about the Trump damage. This 4 years has only shown us that the difference is marginal. The courts can be packed later if we actually ever flush the weak democrats in favor of leftists who grasp game theory.

/candid

[Edited on November 12, 2019 at 4:14 PM. Reason : right now centrists are winning because they make a more credible threat to sit out. ]

11/12/2019 4:11:50 PM

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it's very simple really, the goal is to have a progressive candidate win the nomination, and then have that candidate beat donald trump

if you're not successful at the first part, you don't give up on the second part

court appointments are lifetime jobs, more trump appointments, including a SC judge will set back any leftists cause exponentially more than not having the perfect dem candidate in office

this is all understandable for you, your problem is that you just like trump and don't see things as being as bad as they are

11/12/2019 4:21:26 PM

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"The point isn't that every other candidate is evil"


I don't think Krystal agrees with this. Based on how she talks about everyone else, she really thinks every single other one of them is terrible. At this point she spends more time bashing Warren and Buttigieg than she does Trump. It's like she hates the progressive agenda, just really loves Bernie.

[Edited on November 12, 2019 at 4:34 PM. Reason : -]

11/12/2019 4:33:24 PM

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"court appointments are lifetime jobs, more trump appointments, including a SC judge will set back any leftists cause exponentially more than not having the perfect dem candidate in office

this is all understandable for you, your problem is that you just like trump and don't see things as being as bad as they are

"

This is getting into precisely where we differ. I do see things as bad as they are, I just don't see them as that much worse than they were before or would be with another center-right democrat in office instead. I like Trump precisely because he made you realize how bad things are. Now you are mad about things we've been pointing to all along.

The agenda items I consider leftist will never happen without a bold leader. Trump judges can't overturn leftist policies if none are made in the first place.

You are using the words leftist/progressive interchangeably with democrat. Whatever it is that makes you think Buttigeig or Biden are progressive, I don't consider those things to be progressive. I don't even think Obama was progressive. They can say they are progressive until the cows come home, but all I see from is what I consider to be right-wing policy.

I'm not sold Biden would even appoint left wing judges. The man constantly brags about how well he will get along with republicans after Trump is gone. Thats all I need to hear to know I'll never vote for him. Merrick Garland wasn't even a leftist.

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"I don't think Krystal agrees with this. Based on how she talks about everyone else, she really thinks every single other one of them is terrible. At this point she spends more time bashing Warren and Buttigieg than she does Trump. It's like she hates the progressive agenda, just really loves Bernie."

I think she's doing a great thing that no one else is doing. Pointing out Warren's flaws amongst an environment where everyone is saying "if you like bernie, just vote for Warren". The debate formats were proactively rigged to hide contrast, so there is a lot of this work to be done.

You have to keep in mind that we don't just vote for candidates based on what they say they will do. We vote for them based on what we think they will try to do. The gap between those two is lowest with Bernie.

She explained it in an earlier video (I think I posted it several pages ago) but she's big on the idea that nominating an unauthentic "progressive" would actually do permanent damage to the movement and give the country a "you had your chance with a progressive and they failed" backlash. With that said, we may only get once chance to get this right and if thats true, we can't afford to risk it on a questionable progressive.

Buttigieg is basically just a republican who happens to be gay and in no way represents the progressive agenda

Warren's passes as a progressive but has some big red flags. She has pretty much just copied some of Bernie's ideas and is, at best, Bernie lite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lazIsz_rWXk
"We need ice" - Elizabeth Warren the other day

[Edited on November 12, 2019 at 6:02 PM. Reason : the writing was already there. trump is just a giant orange highlighter. ]

11/12/2019 5:55:06 PM

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