https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-howard-stern/index.html
I'm not Bernie or bust but Hillary and CNN are really pushing me.

Quote :

"Let's remember what Clinton said again: "And I hope he doesn't do it again to whoever gets the nomination. Once is enough." Implied -- and not in very subtly -- in that comment is that Sanders isn't going to be the Democratic nominee in 2020. Which is a somewhat bold prediction -- given that Sanders is second in national polling and among the top four in Iowa, New Hampshire and beyond. To be clear: Sanders isn't the current frontrunner -- that's former vice president Joe Biden still -- but he's absolutely in the mix, making Clinton's seeming certainty that he won't be the nominee newsworthy."

Clinton is obviously a DNC insider and somehow, she already knows with a good amount of certainty, that Bernie won't be the nominee. If there ends up being primary rigging, theres no way anyone who respects democracy could support that. Yikes.

12/5/2019 12:23:28 PM

iT's a cOnSpIraCy

12/5/2019 12:26:28 PM

Lol, she was spitballing on Howard fucking Stern.

Wonder if he saw the clip as Tucker was talking about her cough last night.

12/5/2019 12:55:01 PM

she was excellent on Stern, FWIW

12/5/2019 1:19:50 PM

chelsea clinton's book tour feels more like they are getting exposure for her to run for something

12/5/2019 1:31:39 PM

Amazing how many of the people who are now against political dyansties were so eager to put and keep BushJr in power, and I'm certain they'd love to see DonJr, Eric, and Ivanka run for offices.

12/5/2019 1:35:48 PM

Still nobody that even stands out.

12/5/2019 2:19:28 PM

sanders has the biggest donor base in history, that's standing out

12/5/2019 2:21:24 PM

^^^ Compared with those three, Kushner has a better chance.

12/5/2019 2:23:18 PM

Biden's new strategy: people that don't like me can fuck ALL the way off

Quote :

"A tense moment just now at Biden’s town hall in New Hampton, IA Man says Biden is too old to be president, but asks him why he sent his son over to Ukraine to work for a gas company An angry Biden fired back: “You’re a damn liar man!” Biden also challenged the man to do push-ups with him to prove that he is physically ready to be president The man tells Biden he's not voting for him "Of course you're not," Biden says, "You're too old to vote for me!""

-JTHVerhovek

I guess this so #HowWeGotTrump bc tbh it's kind of appealing!

Lmao and he called the guy fat

[Edited on December 5, 2019 at 5:02 PM. Reason : E]

12/5/2019 4:55:55 PM

I like that a Warren supporter's lead complaint about Biden is that he's too old.

12/5/2019 5:03:37 PM

Reminds me of this

Quote :

"Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden told an attendee at a South Carolina town hall Thursday evening, "You should vote for Trump," after being criticized for deportations during the Obama administration."

12/5/2019 5:04:42 PM

Yea my post was a poorly connected continuation of this
https://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=648215&page=52#16553342

12/5/2019 5:11:22 PM

He challenged that guy to an IQ test as well lol. If anyone else did all of that, their campaign would be over.

12/5/2019 8:29:20 PM

Same guy challenged to a pushup contest?

12/5/2019 9:09:21 PM

same guy lmao

12/5/2019 9:16:44 PM

Wow, he's back!

Quote :

"Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro’s presidential campaign announced Thursday it has hit the fundraising threshold for the December primary debate “.@JulianCastro has hit the 200K donor threshold for the December debate,” Liza Acevedo, the Castro campaign’s deputy national press secretary, tweeted."

12/6/2019 12:14:41 PM

https://twitter.com/megkinnardap/status/1203820856629174273

Quote :

" Warren has said she’d consider tapping @KamalaHarris as a running mate. But she also told me today she would be “open” to asking former Vice President @JoeBiden to reprise his old job."

12/9/2019 12:23:38 PM

Oh no, just saw that Sanders would consider Warren as VP. Trash!

12/9/2019 12:33:18 PM

I don’t think Warren is as bad as Biden but you’re welcome to that opinion I guess

12/9/2019 12:36:54 PM

i think horosho is the only one who thinks warren is bad

12/9/2019 12:47:59 PM

I don't think Warren is bad. You oversimplify complex things so much that you can't identify the nuance in other people's thoughts and opinions. To you, everything is black and white or binary. candidate=good or candidate=bad. I don't even know how to code and can at least write programs with if statements that generate more nuance.

I, like most people, think Warren has great progressive messaging. I, like few people, consider her history, both recent and distant, as well as her subtle signals of pragmatism to be problematic for the progressive cause. With that said, there is no reason I consider valid that would lead someone to support Warren but not support Bernie even more. In fact, any reason that would lead someone to support Warren over Bernie would have to be something I strongly disagree with. Therefore, in contrast with Bernie, Warren is bad and all of the Warren first supporters are bad. Anyone who would ignore all of the things that make Bernie stand out above Warren are part of what I consider the problem. In contrast with everyone else, Warren is good though.

[Edited on December 9, 2019 at 1:24 PM. Reason : i still think she runs as a progressive simply to win and not because she actually wants to fight]

12/9/2019 1:22:31 PM

Just trying to use the transitive property. Warren is bad bc she doesn't hate/blast Biden, who is bad, so Sanders is bad bc he doesn't hate/blast Warren.

The real answer is that these early vp/cabinet questions are just "name a person that you know" exercises. I bet Biden was in response to a direct question, in which her choices were "this guy that could be the nominee can absolutely go fuck himself", "hell yea i love that guy" or the non answer of "open"

If you're worried about Kamala, naming a POC woman is probably the bigger takeaway then her herself.

12/9/2019 1:28:12 PM

Quote :

"Just trying to use the transitive property. Warren is bad bc she doesn't hate/blast Biden, who is bad, so Sanders is bad bc he doesn't hate/blast Warren. The real answer is that these early vp/cabinet questions are just "name a person that you know" exercises. I bet Biden was in response to a direct question, in which her choices were "this guy that could be the nominee can absolutely go fuck himself", "hell yea i love that guy" or the non answer of "open""

This was obviously not good for a progressive and no, it doesn't make her "bad" or transfer logically over to Bernie in any way.

She could have gracefully declined and remained true to the progressive wing. "I appreciate Joe's service as VP, but I think it's time to move forward with a new vision".

12/9/2019 1:42:52 PM

she could have done that, but she's been trying to appeal more to centrists for the past weeks so this was probably a response she had already considered and not an off the cuff response

i don't think that transative argument makes any sense, if that were a thing you could make a continuous chain and the argument that every politician is bad for basically any metric you used for the chain

12/9/2019 1:55:32 PM

If the transitive doesn't work then who cares what name she throws out or gives a lukewarm response to for VP?

And you both have said she is basically Hillary, seems like a pretty bad choice for Sanders as a VP then, even without the transitive.

12/9/2019 2:41:35 PM

i've said that's how she's pivoted her campaign



a candidates choice of running mate can reflect what that candidate wants, it doesn't reflect every other candidate

12/9/2019 2:48:06 PM

^^
I said she's closer to Hillary than to Bernie. This is a really weird path you're taking instead of just admitting she did something wrong.

But aside from that, there's also the fact that he mentioned her as a running mate in 2016, before she ran against him to his right.

12/9/2019 3:08:16 PM

Where did all the polls go?

Polls have stopped being released across the board. If you look on realclearpolitics, this is the longest they period of time without a poll (being released) since March. If you look the same time period in 2016, three polls would have been released within the last week. What happened to those polls? were they not conducted or did the data come out a certain way that was deemed not worth sharing? Why?

In an age of hyperfocus on the polls, why is no one talking about how the polls have vanished? Why is there no transparency in polling methods?

12/9/2019 6:11:30 PM

WHUBAGARDDRR/??!

12/9/2019 9:37:13 PM

There’s a surprising amount of non tech people in my circle who like Yang. They’re not ready to publicly commit to him but I think he’s the main sleeper in the race. If he had 1 great breakthrough moment I could see him catapulting to the lead.

12/9/2019 9:41:34 PM

Ron Paul was more than tech people

12/9/2019 9:59:46 PM

Yeah, a lot of horrendous racists too.

12/10/2019 7:33:44 AM

Tulsi won't attend the next debate---unofficially out?

12/10/2019 1:20:11 PM

was she going to qualify for the next debate?

12/10/2019 1:27:35 PM

Even she's qualified, she denies attending it.

12/10/2019 1:32:08 PM

she's still short a poll afaik

12/10/2019 1:35:39 PM

Same as Yang. Only 2 days left.

12/10/2019 1:36:27 PM

Yang has qualified for December

12/10/2019 3:05:55 PM

Just announced officially.

12/10/2019 4:01:48 PM

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5df05d2de4b06a50a2e69255

https://www.thedailybeast.com/elizabeth-warrens-campaign-is-putting-resources-into-defeating-susan-collins

12/11/2019 8:42:46 PM

I read through most of that article completely puzzled and then they slid this in at the end

Quote :

"It is possible that Warren’s endorsement of Cisneros, followed by a joint campaign rally, has given the campaign pause. Politicians sometimes fear that endorsing a candidate who is unlikely to reciprocate by endorsing them back can make them seem weak. "

Also, Biden has a 20 point lead in Texas. Cruz beat Beto. It might not be worthwhile focusing too much energy on that stillred state.

12/11/2019 8:53:36 PM

Texas is undoubtedly still red but it won’t be forever and Biden is polling -1 to Trump. It’s very much worthwhile to fight there.

Ohio on the other hand...

Trends.

12/12/2019 7:26:09 AM

So time is up for the next round. Pretty much like what I expect, Yang survives, Booker, Tulsi and Kamala are out.
Castro is questionable.

12/13/2019 9:02:46 AM

you said tulsi and booker would have dropped out and booker endorsed yang in december

you also had harris going til march/april

[Edited on December 13, 2019 at 9:16 AM. Reason : harris]

12/13/2019 9:16:21 AM

I expected Yang survived and Tulsi, Booker&Steyer were out for December debate. Those indeed happened, only Kamala took Steyer's spot. I didn't really expect Kamala was out so early tbh.

And now the black community start to switch to Yang after she's out, and a few celebrities already endorse Yang. I don't care about Booker anymore.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-may-skip-2020-debates

[Edited on December 13, 2019 at 9:35 AM. Reason : https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-may-skip-2020-debates What?]

12/13/2019 9:27:11 AM

tulsi, booker, and steyer are still running



[Edited on December 13, 2019 at 9:44 AM. Reason : harris support switching to yang? lol wat?]

12/13/2019 9:44:09 AM

Yeah, Booker and Tulsi are still running. But if you can't make it to the TV stage with other candidates, you are unofficially out already.

[Edited on December 13, 2019 at 9:55 AM. Reason : Yang is the only minority candidate now. So it's very natural for the minorities switch to him]

12/13/2019 9:53:55 AM

Quote :

" it's very natural for the minorities switch to him"

dude you gotta stop with this. it's not true and very offensive

12/13/2019 10:06:48 AM

Maybe I'm mislead by headlines of some medias using words like "the only person of color" or "the only non-white candidate".

12/13/2019 10:15:21 AM