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"Media has been reporting Buttiegig ahead because he has the lead in SDEs (a meaningless intermediate metric). If the totals are corrected, Bernie will lead in both SDEs and the popular vote. Bernie won."

Both metrics you listed are meaningless. The only thing that matters for winning the nomination is convention delegates.

Also I don't think we'll ever know who really won SDEs, but the one delegate difference hopefully won't be a factor.

2/7/2020 10:06:37 AM

Popular vote should be the only thing that matters and caucuses suck and I will continue to yell this into the void until I die.

2/7/2020 10:09:09 AM

I agree, except for the fact that media and the Buttiegig campaign have been using SDEs as the metric for winning for several days now.

So in the name of consistency, Bernie won.

2/7/2020 10:11:40 AM

I can’t remember honestly and it’s stupid but didn’t the AP say that was what they were going to use well in advance of caucus day?

2/7/2020 10:13:39 AM

But for tww and reality he didn't.

He won politically and optically, but not by "better positioned for the nomination". And since Pete seems non viable elsewhere, the difference will likely be moot eventually.

And honestly most media I've seen hasnt called a winner

^^^Yea it's silly the way they decide but the candidates also knew the rules going in. Bernie won the Iowa caucus the same way Hilary won the presidential election.

[Edited on February 7, 2020 at 10:17 AM. Reason : E]

2/7/2020 10:16:43 AM

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"And honestly most media I've seen hasnt called a winner "

But they have all been saying Buttiegig has the lead. Quit playing this stupid semantics game and get on board. Bernie won, by the metric the media is using. That is absolutely what matters, because that is what people will hear.

[Edited on February 7, 2020 at 10:18 AM. Reason : .]

2/7/2020 10:18:37 AM

Actually most headlines I've seen don't mention he has a tight lead, and if/when the article says he does, it mentions caveats and irregularities.

Also I'd be more inclined to believe the Bernie campaign that they have the lead in SDEs if the showed a comprehensive analysis of the results whether then cherry picking the mistakes that help them. You can either say your tired of and better then the game, or you can play the game, you can't do both.

2/7/2020 10:23:28 AM

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"Actually most headlines I've seen don't mention he has a tight lead, and if/when the article says he does, it mentions caveats and irregularities."

All outlets reporting the results are putting Pete on top. Chris Cuomo declared him the victor on primetime CNN last night. Pete has declared himself the victor.

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"Also I'd be more inclined to believe the Bernie campaign that they have the lead in SDEs if the showed a comprehensive analysis of the results whether then cherry picking the mistakes that help them."

This is stupid. Pete can do his own math if he wants to.

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"You can either say your tired of and better then the game, or you can play the game, you can't do both."

No one is better than the game. Warren lost because she tried and was terrible at it.

[Edited on February 7, 2020 at 10:37 AM. Reason : Bernie won]

2/7/2020 10:36:10 AM

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" He won but not by "better positioned for the nomination"."

2/7/2020 10:52:27 AM

^^you spent all week complaining about the game and calling Pete a rat. I guess they're both rats?

[Edited on February 7, 2020 at 11:13 AM. Reason : E]

2/7/2020 11:13:15 AM

for entirely different reasons

the "game" sanders is playing is not cheating and lying, it's declaring victory based on the terms of other campaigns and the media. get your head out of your ass.

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1225523277831036930

[Edited on February 7, 2020 at 11:44 AM. Reason : .]

2/7/2020 11:37:53 AM

All campaigns lie. Clinton lost by 14000 votes to Paul Tsongas in New Hampshire in '92, and gave himself the title "the Comeback Kid", getting more in the media out of his New Hampshire performance than Tsongas did.

2/7/2020 12:02:19 PM

Has Sander’s plan always been to phase in M4A? Seems like I remember Warren getting dragged for similiar “phase-in” comments.

Bernie’s recent interview with Anderson Cooper:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/2002/06/se.01.html

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"SANDERS: Well, Medicare for all, the proposal that we have, Ron, is in a sense a compromise because we don't do it all at once. We do it over a four-year period.And the first year, what we do is we expand Medicare. Medicare is a strong program right now. It's the most popular health insurance program out there. But it is not as good as it should be. So what we do in the first year, Ron, is we expand it to cover dental care, which last I heard oral health was a health care issue, hearing aids, eyeglasses, and home health care. And in year one of a four- year transition period, we lower the eligibility age from 65 down to 55. Year two, 45, year three, 35. Year four, everybody's in. So that's kind of a compromise. There are some people who say, hey, let's do it. You know, other countries have done it all instantaneously. We do a four-year period. "

[Edited on February 7, 2020 at 12:12 PM. Reason : Twitter peoples are claiming this is EXACTLY what rose twitter raked Warren over the coals for ]

2/7/2020 12:07:07 PM

Declaring victory based on incomplete and likely inaccurate data, just like Pete. I'm not sure what other cheating and lying Pete was doing, in terms of this caucus.

And most of the media hasn't declared a winner, despite Pete leading the official count. I don't watch CNN so I'll give you them, and all the 24 HR news channels if you want.

Also:

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"Sanders talking about the tight race between he and Buttigieg for the state delegates: "We could well end up with more SDEs, but this difference no matter who inches ahead in the end is meaningless because we are both likely to receive the same number of national delegates.”"

2/7/2020 12:07:56 PM

On the Indecision 2004 DVD from The Daily Show I have, Stephen Colbert in the prelude to the show's coverage of the Democratic National Convention is summarizing that year's Democratic primaries. It includes a clip of Joe Lieberman saying "thank you for putting us in a 3-way tie for 3rd place". Cuts back to Colbert who looks bewildered and does some figuring with his hands before saying "dead last".

Can I also point out we're arguing about winning at TWENTY-SEVEN PERCENT? Why is this an argument? I can add Biden's and Klobuchar's support together and get what Sanders or Buttigieg had.

[Edited on February 7, 2020 at 12:18 PM. Reason : /]

2/7/2020 12:12:49 PM

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"Has Sander’s plan always been to phase in M4A? Seems like I remember Warren getting dragged for similiar “phase-in” comments."

It's always been a phase in via a single bill. Warren got dragged because she split it into two bills for no reason.

2/7/2020 12:12:59 PM

.....that’s the only difference?........

God damn the left is stupid AF.

2/7/2020 12:16:07 PM

there are several reasons why it's bad to do that if you think about it for more than 3 seconds. and her method of paying for it (head tax) is also bad. doesn't matter now though because she lost and we can go back to the original, superior M4A bill that many people in the house and senate have already co-sponsored.

2/7/2020 12:25:16 PM

Back in December it was way less than “which bill is superior.”

Breaking M4A into two bills was treated as a MASSIVE BETRAYAL and Warren was a “SNAKE IN THE GRASS MANCHURIAN REPUBLICAN.”



Turns out it was all clown shoes rose twitter. I should have known.

2/7/2020 12:29:22 PM

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"Back in December it was way less than “which bill is superior.”"

? I saw plenty of critiques against her bill. Here's one from November regarding the head tax.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/11/elizabeth-warren-head-tax-medicare-for-all-moe-tax-proposal

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"Breaking M4A into two bills was treated as a MASSIVE BETRAYAL"

It was. She already co-sponsored M4A, and then she backtracked to a version that is essentially the same as Pete's or Kamala's.

2/7/2020 12:33:35 PM

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"I never really understood what a Bernie bro was until I saw"

Uhhh, we've got a few among us mane.

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"On the Indecision 2004 DVD from The Daily Show I have, Stephen Colbert in the prelude to the show's coverage of the Democratic National Convention is summarizing that year's Democratic primaries. It includes a clip of Joe Lieberman saying "thank you for putting us in a 3-way tie for 3rd place". Cuts back to Colbert who looks bewildered and does some figuring with his hands before saying "dead last". Can I also point out we're arguing about winning at TWENTY-SEVEN PERCENT? Why is this an argument?"

Its a fucking stupid and dysfunctional argument that makes us look bad.

2/7/2020 12:46:49 PM

https://twitter.com/troymprice/status/1225857368250101760?s=21

This is probably the right thing to do but man what a shitshow. Neither Pete or Bernie can really claim victory in terms of SDEs yet and it sounds like Team Bernie will be able to make their case as to why he won.

2/7/2020 2:31:49 PM

They’re functionally tied regardless of how you count it. Plenty other races though we should all forget Iowa at this point.

2/7/2020 3:23:00 PM

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"if you think a president is inherently weaker in year 3... you (a) don't actually believe in revolution & (b) have been thoroughly spun by self-serving political scientists and some Obama people evading responsibility for 2010: https://t.co/WIDX4njvyd"

2/7/2020 3:32:36 PM

^^ yes plz

2/7/2020 3:37:15 PM

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/republican-joe-walsh-drops-out-of-the-presidential-race-calls-gop-a-cult-and-trump-its-cult-leader-2020-02-07

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"‘I would rather have a socialist in the White House than Donald Trump,’ says Republican Joe Walsh"

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6130125611001#sp=show-clips

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"The Democratic establishment is desperate to stop frontrunner Bernie Sanders, says Fox News contributor Newt Gingrich, former speaker of the House."

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"'I don't want to hear that just because Pete paid for the APP that screwed Bernie and help him that its some sort of conspiracy. Leave that for the deplorables.' -newt "

Narratives disintegrating

2/7/2020 3:48:42 PM

This is the best debate so far I think. There’s finally a sense of real skin in the game, there’s tension, there’s differentiation, I feel like we’re really seeing who the candidates are.

2/7/2020 9:17:13 PM

Agreed, wish it wasn’t on Friday night

2/7/2020 9:23:53 PM

Biden is too angry with screaming and yelling. Pretty bad look imo.

Steyer doing it too but not as bad.

vs Pete with his calm balanced thoughtful responses.

2/7/2020 9:37:24 PM

Biden ensures a trump victory. He is rough

2/7/2020 9:40:03 PM

Steyer has done his homework on white supremacy.

2/7/2020 9:55:13 PM

Mayor Pete is killing it

2/7/2020 10:02:59 PM

Gotta love Chris Christie as a talking head after the debate. “Both sides” right ABC?

2/7/2020 10:50:40 PM

did Warren need to take a big dump or something? She like rushed off stage

I feel like every debate everyone always says Klobachar had her best night. And I always think really?

I think pete, klobachar, and bernie did ok. Biden and warren were meh. Yang and Steyer I wish would just go away

[Edited on February 7, 2020 at 10:59 PM. Reason : S]

2/7/2020 10:56:04 PM

Klobuchar did “well” because of her essentially rehearsed final statement

2/7/2020 11:19:55 PM

Can't get comprehensive gun control without first killing the filibuster

2/8/2020 12:38:24 AM

Has Bernie come off his not wanting to kill it? I know initially he said he wouldn’t request that (of course it doesn’t matter what the POTUS thinks about that, I know) but that was ages ago.

2/8/2020 8:43:17 AM

Budget reconciliation

https://newrepublic.com/article/155051/sanders-warren-plot-end-run-around-senate

2/8/2020 9:53:25 AM

^^it does matter what the president thinks bc the president can drive policy. The president can their position to push for change. And it matters to be for it for a long time, not just when you become president and realize you can't get some/all your important bills through budget reconciliation. At this point I expect Mitch to filibuster 100% of Dem policy

2/8/2020 11:27:11 AM

@baseballot:

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"Sanders is the first #OurRightsOurCourts participant who is not open to court-packing. Says that every president henceforth would then do it, and an 87-justice court would erode confidence in the institution. I find it so interesting that Bernie is fairly conservative (in the literal sense of the word) on institutions. Opposes filibuster elimination, court-packing. A reminder that he's been a politician for a long time, and that's 1 way to define "establishment"!"

2/8/2020 6:28:06 PM

Can someone explain how they got away with blacking Tulsi out in New Hampshire? She's polling ahead of Steyer in New Hampshire and close to Klobuchar (was actually ahead of Amy in the latest poll). Yet somehow she was left out of the CNN townhalls (ahead of 3 who made it) and ABC debate (ahead of 1 who made it). Even Patrick got a townhall and he's not even polling. Even Hillary is getting more airtime than Tulsi!

I just don't understand how democratic voters can sit idly by as the DNC runs a process that is absolutely rigged/unfair. There is absolutely no ground left to stand on to criticize the integrity of the GOP. Stop enabling corruption!

2/8/2020 7:39:05 PM

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"I just don't understand how democratic voters can sit idly by as the DNC runs a process that is absolutely rigged/unfair."

I'll get right on it.

2/8/2020 8:46:55 PM

lol another one bites the dust

[Edited on February 8, 2020 at 8:49 PM. Reason : #earled]

2/8/2020 8:48:54 PM

The plan to update the 5% of precincts with irregularities is probably off because it's apparently legal. The only way to update is a full recount. See thread:
https://twitter.com/tripgabriel/status/1226357866568863744?s=19

2/8/2020 11:30:48 PM

At this point who cares. Whats done is done. We are splitting delegate hairs. It is stupid that Iowa is first anyways.

2/9/2020 12:06:06 AM

^

2/9/2020 12:01:43 PM

^^ yep, exactly. The time involved in unfucking it renders the whole thing moot, because the only reason anyone cares is because it’s first. A delegate here or there is all that can matter out of Iowa now.

2/9/2020 12:53:36 PM

So was there actual vote rigging or not? According to so many people on Twitter, many from Bernie's side, yes.

And they produce elaborate calculations and other intricate evidence to back up their claims.

2/9/2020 2:59:32 PM

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"According to so many people on Twitter"

there's the problem right there

2/9/2020 3:10:00 PM

YUP

[Edited on February 9, 2020 at 4:17 PM. Reason : That's the kinda thing Fox makes headlines out of ]

2/9/2020 4:16:47 PM