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bdmazur
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^A college senior who works for me was accepted into Venture for America for next year. He told me about the program and it sounds incredible. While I know very little about Andrew Yang, I like his ideals and hope he has some influence pushing issues during the primaries.

11/30/2018 1:18:33 PM

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He's mainly against the technical revolution of AI and automation and robotics, tries to save/create human jobs. Yang is basically an Asian Obama--graduated from Ivy league law school, likes playing basketball, etc.

[Edited on November 30, 2018 at 2:00 PM. Reason : ;]

11/30/2018 1:59:56 PM

A Tanzarian
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Avenatti out

[Edited on December 4, 2018 at 6:34 PM. Reason : First casualty?]

12/4/2018 6:33:56 PM

Shrike
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It's Beto. He may as well have shown up to that AIPAC conference eating an Iowa corn dog. He's got that unicorn quality that the Democratic base can't help but fall for and will be an unstoppable force if he runs.

12/4/2018 6:51:20 PM

TerdFerguson
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I’d like to see him have more of a record. I hated on Obama the first time for that too.

12/4/2018 7:12:11 PM

Shrike
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/beto-o-rourke-sounding-out-prominent-black-democrats-he-ponders-n946281?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

Prepare your calves cuz itshappening.gif.

12/11/2018 12:36:16 AM

Dentaldamn
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Maybe At the drive in can play his inauguration. That would be sure to fill out the crowd.

12/11/2018 6:49:47 AM

adultswim
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We don't need another Obama

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-this-progressive-texan-cant-get-excited-about-beto-orourke/2018/12/05/641c7f0e-f8b9-11e8-8c9a-860ce2a8148f_story.html

12/11/2018 10:42:23 AM

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Beto couldn't even beat Ted Cruz. How could he possibly challenge Trump?

12/11/2018 10:47:29 AM

Cabbage
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^It would be a different pool of voters.

12/11/2018 11:11:45 AM

dtownral
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you almost got me, i came close to replying

12/11/2018 11:12:19 AM

nacstate
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https://splinternews.com/by-accepting-oil-money-beto-orourke-broke-a-promise-to-1831000480

Will this really matter in the long term if he runs?

12/11/2018 11:28:59 AM

moron
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^ he didn't accept oil PAC money, he accepted money from workers that work in the oil industry. As a texas politician, this would be impossible.

It's disingenuous to say he broke a promise there.

I do think Beto would cave to special interests and lobbyists as soon as he's elected though, if he won. The problem with ACA is that Obama wrote something the insurance companies would be happy with, if we want to fix healthcare, we need to write something doctors and patients would be happy with, and Beto I think would again ask the insurance companies what they want.

[Edited on December 11, 2018 at 12:15 PM. Reason : ]

12/11/2018 12:14:50 PM

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He took it from individuals. That appears to be breaking the pledge he signed.

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"Taking the pledge means that a politician and their campaign will adopt a policy to not knowingly accept any contributions over $200 from the PACs, executives, or front groups of fossil fuel companies "

12/11/2018 12:22:09 PM

adultswim
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Unwavering support for single payer should be the bare minimum for the Democrat nominee. If Beto is unwilling to stand up for that, he's not on our side.

12/11/2018 1:01:01 PM

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¡VIVA LA REVOLUCION!

12/11/2018 1:10:07 PM

adultswim
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lol it's not a revolutionary concept. Freely accessible healthcare is a cornerstone of modern society. It's extremely sad that this is a debate within the "left wing" party of the US in 2018.

I mean...what would you say if the Democrat nominee wanted to privatize our school system?

[Edited on December 11, 2018 at 1:25 PM. Reason : .]

12/11/2018 1:22:19 PM

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The concept isn't revolutionary.

Your litmus test is.

12/11/2018 2:13:43 PM

adultswim
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We’re talking about the primary here, not the general. It’s a great litmus test.

12/11/2018 2:23:29 PM

UJustWait84
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Who's better than Beto at this point? This is why Democrats suck.

12/11/2018 2:30:10 PM

adultswim
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Bernie is the option. Idc if he's old. No one else hits the policy points, and he has a very strong following.

12/11/2018 3:02:13 PM

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If Bernie hasn't spent the last 2+ years sheepdogging for the party that cheated him, I'd be more inclined to support him. There is only one party, the business party with two factions, and meaningful progressive change has to come from outside the Dem Party.

Wake me up when we take to the streets.

12/11/2018 3:06:38 PM

adultswim
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lol welcome back

12/11/2018 3:07:20 PM

Jameson

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12/11/2018 3:10:10 PM

UJustWait84
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"Bernie is the option"


LOL he's a terrible option. He couldn't even beat Hillary in the primary!

Yep, it's looking like Beto

12/11/2018 3:13:21 PM

Jameson

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It doesn't matter who the nominee is, he/she will be pre-approved by the DNC regardless of what voters actually want. Clearly, the Dems have learned nothing and we'll get 4 more years of Trumpism.

12/11/2018 3:17:13 PM

adultswim
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"LOL he's a terrible option. He couldn't even beat Hillary in the primary! "


haha you're not serious with this are you? this is definitely bait

12/11/2018 3:19:49 PM

UJustWait84
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I mean he's a terrible option because he's old AF and for a variety of other reasons. The Hillary part is just pointing out the logic of Beto being bad because he couldn't beat Cruz.

All in all, Dems need a winner, not someone who we can play the transitive properties game with.

12/11/2018 3:22:47 PM

adultswim
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I agree that's not a good argument. Beto is bad because his policies are bad (or lack-there-of).

Even if he were to win, 8 years of Obama gave us Trump, and nothing substantially good for the working class. No more neoliberals.

[Edited on December 11, 2018 at 3:32 PM. Reason : .]

12/11/2018 3:30:53 PM

UJustWait84
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I mean if it was only about policy, Warren would win in a landslide. She played herself into an insecure version of Hillary with the whole DNA thing, so she's dunzo.

Beto is a way better public speaker than pretty much every Dem hopeful and he has far more charisma that resonates with middle class people who come from a variety of walks of life. Bernie mostly appeals to angry white people.

Again, who else ya got besides ole Bern?

12/11/2018 3:46:12 PM

dtownral
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Bernie Sanders is still the best public speaker I've ever seen, but jfc I hope we find someone younger

12/11/2018 4:07:36 PM

thegoodlife3
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"Beto is bad because his policies are bad (or lack-there-of)."


damn shame that they’re written in stone and aren’t able to be developed/expanded upon during a primary

12/11/2018 4:14:34 PM

UJustWait84
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^^ WAT

I think the words he says are meaningful and all, but he slobbers and gasps like he could croak at any moment.

12/11/2018 4:21:40 PM

dtownral
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no way, he's incredible at energizing a crowd

12/11/2018 4:51:41 PM

adultswim
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I saw him a couple months ago and he sounded better than ever, and it was his 4th or 5th event of the day I think. I don't have any concerns with his age.

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"damn shame that they’re written in stone and aren’t able to be developed/expanded upon during a primary"


lol we'll see I guess. All I have right now to go off is his history of lackluster centrism.

[Edited on December 11, 2018 at 5:00 PM. Reason : .]

12/11/2018 4:59:45 PM

UJustWait84
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"no way, he's incredible at energizing a crowd"


so is Trump, but I'd hardly call him a masterful orator, given his third grade vocabulary. It's all subjective anyway, but to me, being an excellent public speaker combines a lot of elements (talent/energy/ideas/clarity/nuance/etc) and I'm just not seeing what you're seeing.

Kennedy had it. Obama has it. Beto and Ocasio-Cotez have it.

If you didn't like so much Bernie, he might come across as a wheezing old windbag as opposed to an old sage you tip your ear towards in earnest.

12/11/2018 6:33:35 PM

dtownral
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Bernie had crowds going at Clinton rallies, not just his base, you just illogically hate him and it clouds your judgment. And not only can he get crowds going, but hes the true explainer in chief.

12/11/2018 6:53:09 PM

UJustWait84
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I don't hate him. I just don't worship him like a lot of you people do. And I definitely don't want him, or Hillary, or Biden, or Warren or any other bland white bread politician fucking things up in 2020. That's all.

Barbara Streissand and Bob Dylan could draw enormous crowds with adoring fans, but let's not get crazy and call them great singers...

[Edited on December 11, 2018 at 6:58 PM. Reason : .]

12/11/2018 6:58:06 PM

adultswim
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It's really bizarre that you consider Bernie a bland, white bread politician and not Beto.

12/11/2018 7:32:31 PM

UJustWait84
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(Beto isn't white)

12/11/2018 8:05:04 PM

thegoodlife3
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(yes, he is)

12/11/2018 9:17:08 PM

UJustWait84
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But he's from Texas and he speaks Spanish and he has a Mexican sounding name!

12/11/2018 9:26:51 PM

dtownral
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he went to woodberry forest, was in the rowing crew at columbia, previously ran for congress as a republican, and is a member of the new democrat coalition -- he's peak bland white bread politician he's just good in front of a crowd

12/12/2018 9:24:37 AM

Jameson

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"But he's from Texas and he speaks Spanish and he has a Mexican sounding name!"


He's 1/1024th Mexican

12/12/2018 10:43:44 AM

Str8BacardiL
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Hillary for President

12/12/2018 12:15:50 PM

moron
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The candidates should all refer to trump as “felon trump” whenever they can I think

12/12/2018 5:43:58 PM

Str8BacardiL
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^ agreed

Dirty Donald
Don The Con
Trashy Trump
Terrible Trump
Prison President
Donald the Con-ald


I should be a fucking politician.

12/12/2018 6:23:38 PM

TerdFerguson
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How have I not heard “Donald the Con-ald” before? Had me laffin for some reason

12/12/2018 6:30:31 PM

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