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bdmazur
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This needs to be seriously considered as a national or state-by-state voting method. 30% of the electoral college is going to vote for a candidate who didn't receive a real majority (more than half) of the popular votes within their state. RCV would keep the popular vote winner from losing the electoral college, would give 3rd parties a bigger voice, would negate the 3rd party spoiler effect, and effectively end the "protest vote."

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11/18/2016 3:40:02 PM

UJustWait84
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In theory, it's a good idea. In practice, expect some weird results since a lot of people can't follow instructions and don't know that the winner isn't just determined by the number of first place votes.

11/18/2016 3:51:18 PM

bdmazur
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It will take some getting used to, but ultimately it's the best solution to handle the growing divide in political philosophies. Imagine if this was around back when there were 4 major candidates, and you only need 25% of the popular vote to become president.

11/18/2016 3:53:03 PM

The E Man
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the typical liberal "voters are dumb and incapable" comment already showed up

11/19/2016 6:09:59 AM

Kurtis636
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Voters are dumb, just look at fucking California and the hash the voters have made of that state's finances via referendums.

The stupidity of the voters is why we aren't a democracy to begin with.

I'm in favor of just about anything that has the potential to break the grip that the two parties have over American politics.

11/19/2016 9:41:08 AM

UJustWait84
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^^ Are you seriously going to deny the fact that when Jean Quan was elected mayor of Oakland, people had no idea how she was able to win? Bitch, please.

11/19/2016 12:59:09 PM

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I'm for it. Why not? I mean could we really do any worse?

11/19/2016 1:18:37 PM

bdmazur
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100 people are ordering pizza from a place that says you all have to get the same kind of pizza, and the options are Meat, Veggie, or Plain Cheese. So a vote is taken of what kind of pizza to get.

It's common knowledge that Pepperoni and Plain Cheese are the two most popular pizza orders, and most people will choose one or the other. There are also plenty of people who want veggies on their pizza.

A certain block of vegetarians are having trouble deciding how to vote. One in particular likes having toppings over Plain Cheese, but he's worried that if he doesn't support the Plain Cheese voters, Pepperoni might win. If Pepperoni wins, he'll either have to go hungry or be forced to act against his values. But if he votes Cheese and not Veggie, he's worried Veggie won't even be an option in the future.

The results:
Pepperoni 46
Cheese 44
Veggie 10

Now everyone has to get pepperoni, even though more than half of the people wanted something different. The vote counter realizes this is unfair, and holds a 2nd vote. This time, Veggie will not be an option since it clearly cannot win. Some of the previous Veggie voters switch to Pepperoni because they enjoy having toppings, but most of them are vegetarian and switch their vote to Cheese.

New results:
Pepperoni 49
Cheese 51

Now an actual majority of the voters chose the winning pizza, and no one is stuck with a pizza they can't eat. Additionally, the minority vegetarian voice was still heard without being a "spoiler" for those who preferred Cheese from the start.

In a Presidential election, holding an actual runoff would take too much time and money. Instant runoffs held through Ranked Choice Voting negate those roadblocks.

11/29/2016 8:43:19 PM

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Ranked choice voting is fairer in literally every way than FPtP. It's only inertia and the fact that entrenched parties have built their entire machinery around the current system and any changes require rebuilding this machinery.

11/29/2016 9:54:45 PM

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^^ The Primaries are the first round of run off voting. We make it weird because we force people to pick which category of candidates they're allowed to vote for ahead of time, but otherwise it is the same as a run-off election.

Vegan Pizza runs on the Dem ballot against Cheese. Cheese won after a coup by Super Delegates.
Supreme Pizza ran on the Rep ballot against Pepperoni and 3-Meat Pizza. Pepperoni won handily despite Supreme Pizza spending several times more money.

Come November, Dem Cheese ran against Rep Pepperoni. Cheese won the popular vote by 1.9%, but Pepperoni took the electoral college 306 to 232.

The vegetarians and vegans had to starve or abandon their beliefs. Which is why we don't use elections to decide anything actually important, such as what's for dinner.

[Edited on November 29, 2016 at 10:25 PM. Reason : .,.]

11/29/2016 10:18:29 PM

bdmazur
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^If every candidate was running in the same primary and then only the top 2 were voted on in November, then sure. That's exactly how California ran it's election for US Senator and the November vote was between 2 Democrats. Then the Republicans got to choose the Democrat they hated less.

The main reason RCV is necessary is to enhance the electoral college. It's not about a runoff of the popular vote, it's about a runoff within each state. Because winning 47% of Michigan voters shouldn't give Trump 16 electoral votes and 46% of Minnesota voters shouldn't get Hillary 10.

Here's a fun fact: Hillary won a higher percentage of votes in 4 states she lost than she did in NH and MN, where she won. Which states were those 4? Only the most important pieces of Trump's victory. FL, PA, WI, MI. She received 48% in Florida and lost, while Trump received 46% in Utah and won.

[Edited on November 30, 2016 at 2:12 AM. Reason : -]

11/30/2016 2:11:17 AM

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I wish they could find a way to make the primaries all on the same date for every state and maybe just have 3 rounds or something to get it down to 1 from each party.

11/30/2016 10:22:09 AM

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Given Americans' affinity for reality television, I think we just need to be more innovative and double down on the prevailing model of picking a winner. What should happen is that a zany cast of celebrities and attractive politicians must audition in front of a panel of three judges: two washed up politicians trying to revive their scandalous careers, and a witty immigrant musician that's old, crotchety, and white (preferably from the UK). During their auditions, they'll have three minutes to deliver the best sounding talking points and empty promises to improve the US, while the judges deliver hilarious quips and one-liners about them as the audience goes wild. After the top 10 candidates are selected, they'll be flown to Hollywood and live in a huge house without TVs, phones, or Wifi, while thousands of cameras record their every move. Hanky-panky amongst the candidates will inevitably ensure. The American people will then call in, text, or vote online as many times for the candidate they want voted OUT of the house. When the final three candidates are left, they'll be dumped on a tropical island without any survival supplies and they will have to engage in a battle of wits and brawn, and face a tribal counsel filled with all of the newfound enemies from earlier in the season. During this extended two hour reunion, previous footage from earlier in the season will be used to create a colorful montage of backstabbing and heighten the excitement. After a loud, long, and childish shouting match is resolved with heartfelt apologies, excessive crying, and awkward hugs, the president-elect will finally be revealed to the American public. The new president will then drive back to the White House in a fully loaded Kia Optima.

[Edited on November 30, 2016 at 11:14 AM. Reason : .]

11/30/2016 11:13:14 AM

bdmazur
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^^RCV is just as important for primaries as it is for the general. More people were against Trump than for Trump in the primaries, but

^So that's the thing about those performance-based reality TV shows and public voting...they eliminate one at a time and the public gets to vote again based on who is remaining.

RCV is exactly that but you cast all of your votes at the same time.

11/30/2016 3:50:07 PM

kdogg(c)
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never seen this thread before


oh wait...about every four years

11/30/2016 10:12:16 PM

bdmazur
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I'm in it for the long run. Now that Maine has officially paved the way we have to push it farther.

12/1/2016 1:55:18 AM

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