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steviewonder
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anyone seriously think Hurney wont still be running the show in a year? 4 years?

The way I see it we will not be rid of him again until we have to suffer the same period of suckitude that led up to his original termination

7/19/2017 5:18:30 PM

thegoodlife3
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his original termination was based on being in cap hell

it'd be relatively easy for him to not repeat those sins

7/19/2017 5:47:50 PM

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until he does...

7/19/2017 9:52:19 PM

thegoodlife3
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and then you can rightly freak out about the situation

but until then...

7/19/2017 10:37:50 PM

steviewonder
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its fair to freak out now.

We have actually built a culture and custom if winning here. This was done in no small part by having a cold blooded GM that could make the hard decisions and put the team first. There was no fear that we would pay out mega Jake Delhomme contracts to players who would command half of what they got from us on the open market, all in the name of 'taking care of our own'

Is it nice to have a team that goes out of their way to take care of their vets? Absolutely. But that practice (when carried to the extent we have in the past) makes no sense business wise. It is a hinderance to the franchise.

You say to wait until happens to be sad... but... our owner just fired a GM for not caving in to pressure and handing out these country club contracts.

and he hired the guy who has no problem writing them and who has destroyed this franchise once already by doing so.

So I will worry and feel like we are back to 9-7 followed by 7-9 every season. Because I dont know how to read this any other way except 'JR wants to be friends with his players more than he wants to win and when his GM stood up and said no, he axed him in favor of an obvious 'yes man''

But hey, maybe Gettleman's team will play hard this year and will have a great year. But then we will have to figure out how to keep our young guys when we have 20 million a year invested in Olsen and Davis next year

7/19/2017 11:41:45 PM

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I'd question the "culture of winning" thing with Gettleman. We still haven't had back-to-back winning seasons. Maybe we would've gone 9-7 last year if Gettleman hadn't copped an attitude and pulled Norman's franchise tag. We made just as many Super Bowls with Hurney as GM as we did with Gettleman.

I am optimistic that Hurney v2.0 will have done a little reflecting during his 4 years out of the NFL, perhaps on some of the mistakes and would-have could-have type decisions, and might even be a better GM than he was when he was fired.


[Edited on July 19, 2017 at 11:51 PM. Reason : .]

7/19/2017 11:48:59 PM

steviewonder
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maybe. I hope all is well and we are great and Hurney becomes Ultimate God GM.

but it just seems so clear to me that our owner is so concerned about the team's image that he will cater to the players in these situations. I bet it ate him up that there was publicity about TD wanting a contract and Olsen possibly holding out of camp. How could we hang guys like that out to dry??? Then he mustve asked DG to grease the wheels on those deals and he balked. This isnt about Hurney's abilities as a GM. My read on this is that Hurney can dabble a bit and build the team from the bottom up but JR is the one ensuring these problem contracts are being handed out. Firing Gettleman puts that power back in JR's hands

We will see a new Olsen deal in the next few weeks... though they might wait now and have a handshake deal that will be shelved for later because we don't want Good Guy Greg to look like he was the cause of all this lol. He's the #7 paid TE in the league and is considering a hold out. He has definitely outperformed his contract thus far but what is he expecting an extra 2 mil a year? Or maybe he is asking for a few more years, carrying him to age 38 along with a top 3 TE salary? If we call his bluff and let him play out his deal, he will be 35, looking for a new contract. Getting it done now is going to be the difference in many millions of $$

As for TD, I can understand wanting another year on his deal to have that security of being in Charlotte. But it sounds like he was going to get it.
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I know I sound like a negative Nancy but the panthers were starting to become the one constantly good team I had. Sure they have had the winning/losing seasons like always but I feel like we were in a much better place than we were and DG seemed like a big part of that. I hope it all works out great and I look dumb for worrying.

7/20/2017 12:18:40 AM

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I liked what DG did overall and was pretty surprised by his firing and was livid when I heard that Hurney was a possible candidate, but I've convinced myself to let it play out a little more. But even when DG was GM, Richardson was still the ultimate guy making decisions. Gettleman made the unpopular decision to part ways with #89, but it was the way he let him go. Smith apparently found out he had been cut by hearing it on the radio, where you'd think most GMs would let the player know, especially someone with the impact that Smith had on the franchise. Hurney is way too good to players, but Gettleman seemed like he was all about numbers and didn't have the personality management traits that would help in this business. We need a GM somewhere in the middle of the two, and I'm hoping Hurney is trending towards that middle.

7/20/2017 12:37:28 AM

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The shitty contracts aren't even the part I'm scared/laughing about. It's the awful draft strategy. Trading a future 1st for a 2nd or a 2nd for a 3rs or whatever IS NEVER GOOD. EVER. And Hurney did it routinely and not once did one of those players drafted turn out to be anything other than awful.

Hell, in 10 years he couldn't draft a replacement level WR to play across from Steve Smith.

[Edited on July 20, 2017 at 9:46 AM. Reason : AND HE DRAFTED FUCKING PICKLES]

7/20/2017 9:45:52 AM

thegoodlife3
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he drafted pretty damn well during his tenure, given who the core of the Super Bowl team was

of course he had some misses, as does every GM ever

7/20/2017 10:01:33 AM

TreeTwista10
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If Hurney is our GM come the 2018 Draft, your concerns will be valid

7/20/2017 10:03:09 AM

justinh524
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Yeah he had a lot more misses than most. His drafts were: hit the first round, miss on everyone else. Except when he traded away first Rivers to draft shitty players.

[Edited on July 20, 2017 at 10:04 AM. Reason : LMAO you think Hurney isn't going to be the full time GM]

7/20/2017 10:04:11 AM

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So you're not really concerned with anything until next April. Got it.

7/20/2017 11:12:21 AM

justinh524
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Correct. I give no shits.

7/20/2017 2:09:51 PM

steviewonder
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yeah I dont see how he can have a major impact on this season. I also don't buy that this is a temporary move.

Like I said, I hope I am wrong about that, and if not I hope that everything just works out. The Panthers have been pretty much the only brick left in the wall that separates me from complete indifference in all things sports. Wolfpack has been terrible(while there is optimism now, there always seems to be the attitude that we are always just 'next season' away from being decent), Canes havent been to the playoffs in 8 years.

3 years of playoff football in a row along with the ridiculous 2015 season has pumped some 'give a shit' back into me and now I am just scared of falling back to the point where out of the 4 sports teams I care about, its a blessing if ONE of them does something above average just once every 3 years or so

7/20/2017 2:53:59 PM

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It's a really gift of a situation that he doesn't deserve. If we suck ass he can just blame Gettleman and if we're good he can take some credit. Win/Win.

7/20/2017 3:09:50 PM

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There hr goes throwing money around like a drunken sailor! Took him one fucking day lol!

HOW HAS HE EVEN HAD TIME TO RESEARCH FAIR VALUE OR PLAN OUR FUTURE YET?!


Fucking idiot

7/20/2017 3:33:38 PM

TreeTwista10
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oh no, we signed an All Pro 24-year-old to an extension

7/20/2017 3:41:07 PM

Shrike
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Well that's just thing with Hurney, most of his moves were defensible if considered in a vacuum, the problem is there was no long term plan or vision.

[Edited on July 20, 2017 at 7:05 PM. Reason : .]

7/20/2017 7:04:40 PM

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We've got one of the best interior linemen in the league locked up through 2020. That sounds like long-term planning to me. Jeez, people are acting like we gave that money to Davis.

7/20/2017 7:32:00 PM

WolfpckGrl17
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Michael Oher has been cut from the team.

7/20/2017 8:30:52 PM

justinh524
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Quote :
"oh no, we signed an All Pro 24-year-old to an extension"


Pro Bowl =/= All Pro

[Edited on July 20, 2017 at 8:49 PM. Reason : Fucking TWW can't use goddamn inequality sign]

7/20/2017 8:47:03 PM

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I realize that. I thought he was an All Pro one year, I guess not. Panthers had 8 of them 2 years ago, but he wasn't one.

By the way, if you are worried about Hurney drafting players, what about DG? What great players have we drafted since he got here? KB? Shaq? Vernon Butler?

Turner, Short and Star are about it

[Edited on July 20, 2017 at 9:19 PM. Reason : .]

7/20/2017 9:10:22 PM

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Right, in a vacuum the Turner signing isn't that bad. But it's absolutely ridiculous to not even NEGOTIATE the deal and determine a long term plan based on our roster yet. How does he even know enough to have a qualified opinion on turner yet?

It's indicative of the fact that hurney learned nothing from his previous disastrous run as GM

7/21/2017 2:19:43 PM

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"A team source said Rob Rogers, who handles the salary cap and contracts for the Panthers, had put the framework of the deal in place before Hurney was hired to replace Dave Gettleman."


From some article. I guess Hurney came in and was like "Here's what we got"

7/21/2017 2:51:38 PM

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Who says Turner's deal wasn't negotiated or Hurney didn't know plenty about him? Lots of assumptions going on.

Also, since Oher didn't pass his physical and was cut, that "adds" 1-2 million a year of Turner's deal that would otherwise count towards the cap

[Edited on July 21, 2017 at 6:21 PM. Reason : .]

7/21/2017 6:08:37 PM

AndyMac
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Hurney drafts well, as long as we forbid him from ever trading a draft pick.

7/22/2017 9:58:42 PM

LudaChris
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We complained for years about having a shitty OL.
Then we had a statistically great OL and made the SB.
We then had a rash of injuries that made our OL garbage and we had a losing season.

Now we want to invest money in our best OL and people are upset? Really? Turner is a no-brainer guy to keep, I think Norwell will be too. Problem is we keep investing too much money in older OT's that either under-perform or don't stay healthy.

Have to be more upset about the Kalil deal than the Turner one.

7/26/2017 9:15:46 AM

sag1804
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Does anyone want to buy my pre season tickets?

8/1/2017 10:06:34 PM

justinh524
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$10

8/1/2017 10:44:49 PM

sag1804
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15 and you got a deal!

also...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000825084/article/richardson-was-asked-to-take-pay-cut-in-trade-talks

when did Steve Smith get this gig?

8/3/2017 8:03:04 PM

Ribs
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Anybody else going to fanfest tonight?

8/4/2017 4:52:15 PM

face
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Dude he made him the HIGHEST PAID GUARD IN THE LEAGUE ON HIS FIRST FUCKING DAY. This guy is gonna run what we have into the ground if they keep him in charge

8/4/2017 6:41:13 PM

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http://deadspin.com/why-your-team-sucks-2017-carolina-panthers-1797595132

8/7/2017 8:38:00 PM

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"What has always sucked: There’s a certain cruelty in the fact that Charlotte is both North Carolina’s largest city and also, by far, the boringest town in that state. Asheville is Austin with a more reasonable climate. Wilmington is gorgeous. The Research Triangle is a fucking blast. Charlotte is a bank branch someone made into a whole city, presided over by Richardson and his anodyne football team."


Uh no, charlotte is an applebee's someone made into a whole city.

8/7/2017 8:45:21 PM

TreeTwista10
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Not sure how Cowherd's dumb tweet about Cam is a knock on the fanbase?

8/7/2017 9:15:50 PM

justinh524
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Cowherd's dumb tweet is redundant

8/7/2017 10:00:53 PM

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i've never spent much time in charlotte so i don't know how accurate that is. but is the research triangle really a "fucking blast"? i mean, each city has some good stuff...but a "fucking blast"? that seems like an overstatement.

8/8/2017 6:44:25 AM

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I lived in Raleigh for 6 years and have lived in charlotte for 6 years now. There are really shitty and really awesome parts of both areas and i wouldnt be able to choose one over the other.

8/8/2017 7:44:48 AM

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i know deadspin does those things for humor, so i'm not trying to go all #wellactually on this. but he's comparing charlotte to the "research triangle" which is kinda apples to oranges, i get the point. but the research triangle is obviously 3 cities so it's a weird comparison but whatever.

8/8/2017 10:30:39 AM

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Charlotte is a really generic bland city for sure. No culture just a lot of guys making $70k pretending to be big shots. It's got an NBA and NFL team, that's its redeeming quality.

I would say a "fucking blast" seems a bit overkill. I mean Vegas, miami beach, sao Paulo are a fucking blast.

But they are definitely overrated. After traveling the rest of the entire country and now currently living in a bad city temporarily. I can say RDCH is better than 99% of the land mass in this country to live

[Edited on August 8, 2017 at 3:16 PM. Reason : A]

8/8/2017 3:15:01 PM

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I liked how of all the coastal towns, he picked Wilmington as beautiful

8/8/2017 5:40:40 PM

skaterjaws
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well it is one of the best towns to live in for sure ^

8/8/2017 10:18:09 PM

face
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Wilmington is definitely beautiful unless youre poor or something. Overall, all the north Carolina beaches are. Go check out mississipi or new jersey and then get back to me

8/9/2017 3:11:05 AM

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Wilmington is plenty nice, but as someone who has traveled up and down the entire NC coast from VA to SC, it's not where I would've mentioned as being beautiful. But I don't know why I'm trying to nitpick an article whose entire purpose was to try and piss off locals.

8/9/2017 7:25:29 AM

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"Uh no, charlotte is an applebee's someone made into a whole city."


someone's been lurking in r/charlotte

8/9/2017 10:35:30 AM

LudaChris
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Don't worry guys, Turner isn't about to be the highest paid Guard in the league anymore. Zack Martin about to be made the top paid Guard in the league.

8/9/2017 10:42:47 AM

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Wilmington is one of the 10th largest cities in NC and is by far the biggest beach town in the State, so that's probably why he mentioned Wilmington.

8/9/2017 10:54:38 AM

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Can we not let the out of state tourists and Yankees know about our beautiful coastal towns. I would prefer that they all go to the same tourist trap, much like Myrtle Beach in SC.

8/9/2017 2:05:36 PM

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I think he just meant the girls at uncw

8/9/2017 4:43:50 PM

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