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^^ Gottlieb could be fibbing so that he can make it seem that he is only viable candidate at OkState

3/24/2017 11:22:41 AM

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So that means Gottfried to UCLA then?

3/24/2017 12:35:10 PM

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Gottfried probably has a John Wooden tattoo for as much as he talks about him. Maybe he can run his UCLA high post at UCLA. I can't imagine they'd actually hire him though.

lol at this article on him going to Cal

http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2017/3/23/15042376/north-carolina-state-wolfpack-mark-gottfried-california-golden-bears-coaching-search

the comments are all like fuck no. funny how the national media made him to be a martyr

[Edited on March 24, 2017 at 12:55 PM. Reason : .]

3/24/2017 12:51:32 PM

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Cal is promoting assistant Wyking Jones. No Gottfried to Cal.

3/24/2017 2:55:01 PM

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Archie to Indiana

3/25/2017 12:49:08 PM

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Makes sense. Good luck Archie.

3/25/2017 1:05:05 PM

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he took the better job

best of luck to him

3/25/2017 1:16:03 PM

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He's going to get the same shit from their fans that the media said he would get here

3/25/2017 1:18:38 PM

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7 years ~4mil a year for Archie. Basically getting Keatts for half that so it's not surprising.

3/25/2017 1:29:51 PM

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Nice contract for Archie. I'm always glad to see State alums succeed. Hope Archie does a hell of a job there. Fuck Sean though.

3/25/2017 1:33:48 PM

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not trying to shit on keatts but that's kind of nc state shit that that job just happens to open up at the same time

3/25/2017 1:59:22 PM

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Good for Archie. Worked out best this way. But yea, if he isn't a home run at IU, he'll end up in the retread conversation in 5 years. Too much pressure on coaches to win quick these days. Glad we got Keatts in the end.

3/25/2017 2:42:12 PM

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Awesome. HR for both Arch and IU. Hope he does well there.

(I'd be a lot less gracious if we didn't do well in our search).

3/25/2017 4:02:05 PM

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IU fans on Reddit saying they guess he's a good hire but wanted Billy Donovan haha good luck Arch

3/25/2017 6:37:57 PM

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"not trying to shit on keatts but that's kind of nc state shit that that job just happens to open up at the same time
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Ehh. Didn't seem like he was gonna come here anyways.

3/25/2017 6:44:28 PM

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^Exactly. And it happens all the time that various jobs of varying value are open at the same time. Not NC State shit.

3/25/2017 7:43:15 PM

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Yeah, but it doesn't happen all the time that NC State needs a new coach at the same time the two dream jobs for a talented young alum are possibly open (and one actually happens.)

It sucks, but I'm still happy with our hire.

3/25/2017 8:21:01 PM

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Heard Dick Vitale this morning say that Alford was never even offered the job at Indiana. Figured Archie was the backup plan but maybe he was their guy all along.

3/28/2017 8:54:14 AM

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"He's going to get the same shit from their fans that the media said he would get here"


Nope. Not even close. Unfortunately for his sake, he is gonna get WAY worse. Crean won 2 B1G championships (one of them last fuckin year!). The next coach to win an ACC championship here gets a statue.

3/28/2017 9:07:46 AM

justinh524
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Indiana fans hated Crean because he didn't recruit enough players from Indiana. That's so dumb.

3/28/2017 9:53:49 AM

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There was a tweet over the weekend quoting Archie's Dad, basically saying that Archie was never coming to State because he knows first hand that he would be battling with the administration. My question is, when did we ever have an unsupportive administration, much less during Archie's playing days here? Or was this just the national narrative of State fans having an itchy trigger finger?

3/28/2017 11:26:05 AM

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i think the quote was like "you need to be able to trust the people above you". which i guess could be interpreted as concern over Yow's looming retirement and her replacement. or her reputation (deserved or not, she has one). or maybe with how the fans felt toward Herb - which had little to do with the administration. Fowler always supported Herb even when the fans hated Herb. and as far as Yow's reputation, i've yet to read anything specific about why folks don't like her (and isn't really only Gary Williams?) now, i don't care that Archie didn't come. he took a higher paying, higher profile job. good for him. but that reasoning isn't totally fair and doesn't make a ton of sense.

3/28/2017 11:42:14 AM

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^I felt like the tone of that article definitely suggested that Archie didn't trust Yow in the sense that she wouldn't protect him if he didn't produce fairly substantial results pretty quickly. Some of that has to do with Yow, some to do with her replacement being unknown, and a lot to do with how volatile our fan base can be.



Gott took out the back page of the Technician.

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"We shared some amazing moments in such a short period of time and I will always be appreciative of your support"


nice little dig there.

[Edited on March 28, 2017 at 12:05 PM. Reason : Gott]

3/28/2017 12:01:50 PM

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The Pack Pride publisher made a good point last night about that article. Archie's dad lobbied for Archie to get the job in 2011, with Yow as the AD.

So I guess he had no issues with her back then. Now she's apparently a cunt. I'm not buying his bullshit.


[Edited on March 28, 2017 at 12:13 PM. Reason : f]

3/28/2017 12:13:13 PM

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I hope NC State plays Indiana in the next ACC/BIG10 Challenge

3/28/2017 12:16:20 PM

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Indiana has even more unrealistic expectations than State

3/28/2017 1:32:14 PM

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Yeah, that quote was total spin room BS. Indiana likely had the deal before they fired Crean and before Dayton was out of the tourney ... and this is their way of managing the dialogue. Archie probably reached out to Indiana to see if there was any option there, and ohio state as well, before turning down the NCSU job. Otherwise, my money is that he would have come here.

The media makes it look like a shitty job, but I mean, really ... Indiana is more harsh on their coaches than we are ... and while more historical, its not his alma mater. Had Indiana/tOSU not been in play, I think we would have ended up on top here. Archie was not afraid of losing and getting fired at NCSU. He was just playing a better hand than we gave him credit for.

[Edited on March 28, 2017 at 1:34 PM. Reason : .]

3/28/2017 1:33:37 PM

HCH
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Is there any evidence for any of that, or did you just make up that scenario in your head?

3/28/2017 1:37:01 PM

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We had our coach named before Dayton Lost, so we had a response from Archie before Dayton lost. If you don't believe that, you're in denial.

Dickie V said UCLA coach was never offered the job. If that's the case (wink wink) then it supports the idea that Archie was vetted/decided before the firing and the job was not actually open for applications. Process usually takes a few weeks anyhow.

Archie is obviously not scared of going to a good program with a bad current situation and one who fires successful coaches. So, I don't believe, with his level of confidence in his abilities and being an alum, he would shy away from the job if it was offered to him.

He just had a better option on the table. You don't need a ton of evidence to line up the most likely timeline here. No, I don't have inside info. Just a brain in between my ears.

[Edited on March 28, 2017 at 1:44 PM. Reason : .]

3/28/2017 1:43:35 PM

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"Dickie V said UCLA coach was never offered the job."


Perhaps when Bobby Knight recently shit on Indiana, Indiana figured they were done with him as well, rather than bringing one of his former players (UCLA coach Steve Alford) back to Bloomington

3/28/2017 1:52:23 PM

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yeah, heard the same conversation on 99.9 either last night or this morning. That would support my theory as well.

3/28/2017 1:53:35 PM

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" Archie was not afraid of losing and getting fired at NCSU. He was just playing a better hand than we gave him credit for.
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or he just didn't wanna coach here. being an alum might not mean as much to him as it does fans. that's totally fine. Wade played Clemson for more money from LSU and that's his alma mater. that shit might just not matter to certain people.

3/28/2017 2:20:21 PM

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http://www.starnewsonline.com/sports/20170331/mcgrath-to-take-over-uncw-basketball

4/2/2017 2:59:06 PM

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I think that a bunch of state fans refuse to admit how tough this job is, because you would have to understand that UNC and Duke are better programs in order to see how much of a fucking disaster this coaching job actually would be for an up and comer.

4/2/2017 3:21:44 PM

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4/2/2017 3:28:29 PM

justinh524
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http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1767769-sources-chattanooga-has-hired-lamont-paris

4/2/2017 3:32:04 PM

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"I think that a bunch of state fans refuse to admit how tough this job is, because you would have to understand that UNC and Duke are better programs in order to see how much of a fucking disaster this coaching job actually would be for an up and comer."


ehh...i think every state fan realizes that UNC and Duke are better programs right now. you'll definitely have people argue about "tradition" and all that...which we do have, but no State fans think it's on par with UNC and Duke. they/we do tend to value that ancient history much more than the rest of college basketball value it. but the problem isn't that State fans think we're equals with UNC and Duke. a lot of the fans just don't realize that this job doesn't have the appeal that some fans want it to have. some fans were upset we couldn't do better than an up and coming coach from UNCW (who was pretty highly thought of and generally viewed as a strong, solid hire by the nat'l media). they think we should be able to poach a P5 coach or have our pick of the lot of all mid-major coaches. that just isn't a realistic view.

i think the proximity to Duke and UNC is sometimes overblown. yes, it's a factor. but it's overblown. that's like 4 games/year out of 30+. every ACC team has to play Duke and UNC. sure, being so close to them and being rivals with them makes fans compare the programs more. but Herb, Lowe, and Gott didn't get fired/leave because they didn't win national titles or because we didn't become equals with UNC and Duke. their tenures here came to an end for other reasons. sure, UNC and Duke's success has served to further highlight our bad seasons and lack of success. but UNC and Duke's success had nothing to do with Gott getting fired or Herb deciding to leave for ASU. think about it - Gott gets fired this year regardless of what UNC or Duke accomplish over the last 5 years. Herb had worn out his welcome, sure...in part because he couldn't beat UNC and Duke. but that was far from being the only reason fans were tired of him. of course we, the fans, want to win titles and bring home championships like UNC and Duke. but let's not pretend that's the expectation for every new coach we've hired. most fans are reasonable enough to have expectations that don't extend that far. yeah...we wanna win an ACC title eventually. that's not terribly unreasonable considering how many other teams have done that since we last did. and we wanna make the NCAAT every year or close to it...and we'd like to not be a bubble team every year that do we make it. but those expectations, while higher than some places, are hardly unreasonable IMO.

this job isn't terrible for young coaches because of UNC and Duke. that doesn't even make sense. hell, you win an ACC title here and we'll build you a statue. this job, like a lot of middle of the road P5 jobs, can be a dead end job. if you fizzle out here you'll have to take a step back to the mid-major ranks most likely (or move on as a re-tread to an equal or lower P5 program). or you do just enough to keep your job without really garnering interest from the blue blood programs when they have vacancies. but that's the case for the majority of P5 jobs. you win big and you'll make a name for yourself. you fizzle out and you probably won't get many opportunities elsewhere as a P5 coach. that's why you see guys like Shaka Smart or Archie Miller hold out for a big name job instead of taking the first P5 opening the comes calling. every mid-major coach making the move from mid major to P5 is taking a risk...they are in a comfortable position that they generally don't have to worry about their job security (if they're good enough for P5s to want them, they aren't on the hot seat) for the next few years...they can just keep doing what they're doing with far less pressure at their current mid major job.

in short...i agree with you that State fans tend to overvalue this job. but i disagree with the extent and the reasoning.

[Edited on April 2, 2017 at 4:36 PM. Reason : f]

4/2/2017 4:34:48 PM

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Ewing to Georgetown.

4/3/2017 4:43:45 PM

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4/3/2017 4:46:02 PM

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dot dot dot dash dash shimmy dash shimmy dot dot

5/30/2017 10:47:14 AM

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Jibbles you posted that with your main account, not InsiderNCSU

5/30/2017 10:53:06 AM

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Did you all really think that was me? His posts look boring as hell, definitely not me. It's like he was giving inside info for someone like Valdosta State, or Iowa State, or NC State. Zzzzz

5/31/2017 12:20:12 AM

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I told the police it wasn't me, but they said they had me on vid-ya cam-ruh, whatever in tarnation that is

5/31/2017 12:27:03 AM

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Thad Matta out at OSU

6/5/2017 2:25:16 PM

justinh524
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those idiots. they could have had archie if they hadn't waited this long to can matta.

6/5/2017 2:47:09 PM

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don't understand why you'd wait this long.

6/5/2017 3:17:10 PM

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sanctions coming?

6/5/2017 3:17:44 PM

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Health concerns are the reason. They thought he would be able to coach and recruit like he used to but over the summer seems the health issues flared back up and they want to move on. Believe he will still be in basketball but not actively coaching at tOSU.

Chris Mack and Holtman likely top candidates.

6/5/2017 3:33:05 PM

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They (OSU) want to move on. He still wants to coach. He got fired.

6/5/2017 3:34:27 PM

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Gottfried to OSU

6/5/2017 3:45:21 PM

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