So far 50 dead 200 injured?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooter/index.html

10/2/2017 7:38:08 AM

Facebook is gonna be insufferable

10/2/2017 8:40:19 AM

I'm so glad it doesn't seem like ISIS. Not that its important but it saves a lot of hatred and backlash towards innocent people who have nothing to do with this.

[Edited on October 2, 2017 at 9:10 AM. Reason : V dtownral is projecting again]

10/2/2017 8:43:56 AM

dial back the trolling to about a 7, right now you're at 11

10/2/2017 8:50:42 AM

Frankly, Im numb to this stuff at this point. Until there is meaningful action taken on gun control Im just going to shrug my shoulders. If prayers and silence is the best we can do as a nation then we are screwed anyways.

10/2/2017 10:35:51 AM

what action do you want taken on gun control to keep someone from setting up a machine gun nest in his hotel room?

10/2/2017 10:50:44 AM

stop making machine guns?

10/2/2017 10:58:20 AM

Make the selling of bump fire mechanisms illegal.

10/2/2017 11:02:03 AM

I've never seen anyone shoot a bump fire gun this consistently. crank trigger maybe, modified electronic trigger group possibly, but I would be dumbfounded to find out someone did this with a bump stock.

10/2/2017 11:25:18 AM

police got into his house and were condused that it was normal. maids said the room was normal the whole time. police found him in the room dead. so far no notes and no connection to anything. no previous record.

bizarre

10/2/2017 12:19:30 PM

And I'm for banning those as well. It doesn't matter if the shooter used those or not, devices specifically designed to make a semiauto as fully automatic as possible should not be allowed

10/2/2017 12:20:02 PM

why, because repetitive loud noises are scary? those devices make the guns harder to shoot accurately. I'd rather take my chances running away from someone with a hip fired gatling gun than from someone with a bolt action rifle and good aim.

10/2/2017 12:24:06 PM

Probably most of the people doing or wanting to do this types of massacres aren't trained and don't have "good aim"

10/2/2017 12:30:56 PM

You're likely right; the guy that opened fire on a group of congressmen a few months ago fired 50 times at distances less than 100 yards and managed one hit.

This event had thousands of people congregated so close together that aim wasn't necessary.

[Edited on October 2, 2017 at 12:43 PM. Reason : timeframe]

10/2/2017 12:43:14 PM

Oh come the fuck on, I was in the military as a munitions troops maintaining stuff far more powerful than a modded AR, assuming I just think full auto weapons are just 'loud and scary' is a bullshit strawman and you know it

10/2/2017 1:12:36 PM

Quote :

"what action do you want taken on gun control to keep someone from setting up a machine gun nest in his hotel room? "

What's YOUR solution? This is a problem unique to America, it seems like you're saying we should just accept this.

273 days into the year and we've 273 shooting incidents with 4 or more people shot.

10/2/2017 1:17:17 PM

you're the one shitting bricks over a fucking bump stock. we're not talking about lightning links and drop-in auto sears here - we're talking about a POS stock design that makes a gun hard to control and waste ammo.

10/2/2017 1:17:59 PM

So what exactly is your reasoning to keep any device specifically designed to increase firing rate to be on par with a fully automatic rifle?

10/2/2017 1:48:28 PM

"SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"

what's yours?

10/2/2017 2:25:11 PM

So you're cool with zero restrictions on firearms? Felons, mentality handicapped, etc?

10/2/2017 2:45:17 PM

I mean you pretty much have to be at this point if you keep saying "gun control doesn't work!" and "SHALL NOT INFRINGE!"

10/2/2017 2:46:50 PM

I have a constitutional right to own a MK-19 belt-fed automatic grenade launcher. That right SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

10/2/2017 2:52:25 PM

Quote :

""SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" what's yours?"

do you think those who wrote that had the foresight to see guns that were capable of holding more than one bullet at a time?

[Edited on October 2, 2017 at 3:00 PM. Reason : .]

10/2/2017 3:00:25 PM

QUIT TRYING TO INFRINGE ON HIS CIVIL RIGHTS BRO- THEY'RE IN THE CONSTITUTION!

10/2/2017 3:06:44 PM

such a silly argument

10/2/2017 3:08:53 PM

I don't know why you guys even bother with these circular arguments anymore. These folks have made it pretty clear that they'd rather watch their loved ones bleed out in the street than ever give up their adult binkies. You can't really reason with that level of fanaticism, no different than religious extremists, you just have to wait for them to die off. Which is happening anyway, gun ownership is at a 40 year low with fewer people hoarding them all, which will make them much easier to track down and confiscate once the required laws are passed.

10/2/2017 3:08:53 PM

those laws will never be passed though, so keep living in unreasonable fear.

10/2/2017 3:28:04 PM

Again, are you for absolutely zero limits on the right to own firearms? Including to felons, mentality handicapped, etc

10/2/2017 3:32:55 PM

So just be honest with yourself and say you believe no changes should be made and you accept that America having an higher Gun death level than others places is an acceptable cost for taking no further actions.

Why beat around the bush?

10/2/2017 3:34:21 PM

He's a coward.

10/2/2017 3:53:03 PM

If its a constitutional right why are we restricting convicted felons from owning them? They have the same right as anyone else according to the Constitution.

That attitude is just gross. This country continues to suffer because of greediness and pride. It's all about "ME" and others can die for all I care.

[Edited on October 2, 2017 at 3:56 PM. Reason : a]

10/2/2017 3:54:56 PM

These arguments are not about facts.

Its about his team vs your team. His team 'loses' by acting to control high powered weapons regardless of potential positive outcomes.

People who wont compromise cant lose. Its no longer about the good of the society.

10/2/2017 4:11:26 PM

Quote :

"“Humans will always murder, no gun law can change that!” screams a country that outlawed too much toothpaste on a plane."

- sarcastic rover

10/2/2017 4:18:08 PM

^ That's actually on point, but more importantly, no one who calls for complete banning of guns says that it will erase murder. Nothing, no laws, will reduce murder to zero.

However, gun laws CAN and DO significantly reduce murder rates, so that first part of the statement is bullshit.

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"The Las Vegas gunman had 19 rifles in his hotel room, two on tripods at the windows, and hundreds of rounds of ammunition, an official said"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooting.html

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Deadliest mass shootings in US

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-attack-deadliest-us-mass-shooting-trnd/index.html

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10/2/2017 4:22:17 PM

To further point out the moronic state of this country - we constitutionally guarantee the right to own an unlimited number of guns but we do not guarantee the right to healthcare for the victims of gun violence. Many of the injured are going to have medical bills they will never be able to pay off.

10/2/2017 4:38:39 PM

they should have worked harder so they could have been able to buy more guns to protects themselves in the first place

10/2/2017 4:44:42 PM

^^^

The flip side is banning toothpaste and sodas from secure areas is pointless and annoying, but who wants to be the guy that ends the dumb ban only to have someone exploit it?

Gun control isn’t really about mass shootings. We already have too many guns and there’s too many ways to do a mass shooting that without a total gun ban we aren’t going to see changes in mass shootings.

Gun control is really more about routine gun crime which makes it harder to argue that guns are the key factor over other factors. People need to talk about gun control in a holistic sense and I’m not sure ratcheting up after mass shootings is helpful— because only the most far reaching gun laws, that are currently unconstitutional, will put a real dent in mass shootings, and this is what causes the right to be the most defensive on the issue.

10/2/2017 5:10:36 PM

[Edited on October 2, 2017 at 5:48 PM. Reason : kk]

10/2/2017 5:46:54 PM

Quote :

"So just be honest with yourself and say you believe no changes should be made and you accept that America having an higher Gun death level than others places is an acceptable cost for taking no further actions. "

I'm not concerned with gun death levels, as that also includes suicides. If a person wants to kill themselves, so be it. If you want to compare homicide rates to other places, then white Americans have a marginally higher gun homicide rate than Western Europe, despite having easier access to firearms than most of Europe.

Gun laws regarding bumpstocks and gatling triggers aren't going to do much to tackle the minority gang violence that accounts for a significant portion of our murder rate. DC has a murder rate of 24 per 100k even though guns are already illegal in the district. Baltimore is inching towards a murder rate of 55 per 100k, even though both open and concealed carry are practically illegal.

10/2/2017 6:45:37 PM

Hey eleusis, you going to answer my question or what?

Are you for any restrictions on firearms? It's a simple question.

10/2/2017 7:19:16 PM

Why would laws help stop people who break laws?

I'm for certain restrictions on legal purchase of firearms, but I just don't see how "making things illegal" will help. It sure as fuck didn't help the war on drugs.

10/2/2017 7:24:20 PM

^^^

You realize your basis for inaction on gun violence is that it’s not a white people problem (in your twisted view) so you’re not concerned.

What happened to “all lives matter”?

(You just literally exemplified why ppl say all lives matter)

[Edited on October 2, 2017 at 7:41 PM. Reason : ]

10/2/2017 7:25:30 PM

^^who makes the guns, how many do they make, and why do they make so many?

10/2/2017 7:34:58 PM

because demand for guns is high enough to sustain that production rate? Again, there is an entire industry that proves that making something illegal does not affect it's consumption. Why do you -honestly- think guns would be different?

people who need guns will get guns. people who need weed will get weed. ETC ETC ETC

so what's the real solution ?

10/2/2017 7:37:49 PM

weed is a good thing and a fucking plant. its easier to stop the production of high quality weapons. guns are beinh sent down in exchange for actual drugs so the 2nd ammendment is actually contributing to the epidemic

10/2/2017 7:44:57 PM

Are you really suggesting manufacturing and smuggling guns would be as easy as drugs?

10/2/2017 7:50:27 PM

Absolutely. Unless you think the US drug problem is fueled by people taking bags through cousins and getting lucky. Are you suggesting there is an appreciable difference in the difficulty of smuggling different things for orginaizations large enough to affect the Us black market?

[Edited on October 2, 2017 at 7:55 PM. Reason : Failing at ghost editing]

10/2/2017 7:52:24 PM

I'm suggesting that (1) yes, smuggling in a massive number of large, static objects is appreciably more difficult than smuggling in a plant, or a powder, or a liquid and (2) production of a highly complex instrument like an automatic weapon is appreciably more difficult than producing most narcotics

Also, and this is a completely innocent question because I don't actually know the answer, but is there a high number of guns in existence that were manufactured illegally, or are most of them stolen?

[Edited on October 2, 2017 at 7:59 PM. Reason : Sd]

10/2/2017 7:57:32 PM

Very possible. My thought process is there seems to be no inability to smuggle Chinese antiques, exotic animals, or stolen cars to and from the US so I’m not sure why guns would be any different or complex

And no clue to second point I’d assume stolen, but that’s purely a guess.

10/2/2017 8:10:07 PM

Gun control will never work 100% perfectly, so let's not even bother trying.

10/2/2017 8:13:57 PM