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tulsigabbard
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Anytime someone reveals something for 12 years ago, I'm going to be suspicious and ask two questions

1. Why not then?
2. Why now?

12/20/2017 7:47:05 PM

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Pentagon formally releases 3 Navy videos showing "unidentified aerial phenomena
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pentagon-videos-unidentied-aerial-phenomena-ufo

This tweet about it is poignant:
https://twitter.com/santiagomayer_/status/1254874547817295877
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"2020 is so fucking wild that the Pentagon just confirmed UFOs and it’s barely news."


And this response is funny:
https://twitter.com/honeyNOTvinegar/status/1254886569359446016
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"They’re trying to distract.

I bet trump was like, “ you got anything crazier than the president telling people to drink bleach?”

Pentagon: climate change? Kim jong Un is dead? UFOS?

Trump: oooh aliens, I like that. Use that."


And the response above also answers the OP's question

4/29/2020 8:23:40 AM

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The fighter pilots that I follow on youtube are all sorta stunned by this. They say that the footage isn't good enough to necessarily confirm anything, but that it would definitely freak them out to see something move in a way that no known aircraft can even get close to approaching.

4/29/2020 3:40:22 PM

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It's also kinda strange that the only ppl that have reported seeing these things are pilots that were out over the ocean training in airspace that I assume is restricted to the military. How would a UFO know anything about restricted airspace? If these were randomly out over the ocean, you'd think that a 747 pilot would have spotted them too.

4/29/2020 6:25:12 PM

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Ah yes, that restricted airspace over international waters.

4/29/2020 6:27:23 PM

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Well, what I mean is that I'm assuming that the navy or Air Force wouldn't train in areas where there is heavy commercial traffic, particularly in cases where inert and/or live bombs and guns are being used.

4/29/2020 6:37:07 PM

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[link]http://https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco2s3-0zsQ&t=2760s[/link]

This is an absolute must see podcast regarding this topic

4/29/2020 6:58:09 PM

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Excluding of course the part where the other guest tries desperately to connect the released pentagon footage to centuries of UFO sightings.

[Edited on April 29, 2020 at 7:32 PM. Reason : A]

4/29/2020 7:31:54 PM

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Pretty solid bump Opie I gotta say.

[Edited on April 29, 2020 at 9:23 PM. Reason : Earl got it right for once]

4/29/2020 9:23:10 PM

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I can't believe that I am actually giving this serious thought, but since the pentagon has come out to say that this is real, undoctored footage AND that it is corroborated by career fighter pilots, isn't this the first credible account of a UFO?

What are the realistic explanations for these events?

A. This is some form of government technology that the suits are trying to keep completely off of the books.
If that's true, then why wouldn't the government want introduce this technology? It would alter society as we know it.

B. This is some Wakanda level shit.
But, how could an unknown government pull that off completely in the dark?

C. These are visitors from a different solar system sent to observe us.
But, even if they did have the technology to travel fast enough to visit our planet, make an observation and then return, they would be returning to a completely different planet due to time dilation. So, it wouldn't make and logical sense for them to be sent over here to peacefully just observe shit in a non violent way, as these things appear to be doing, and then return with data.

D. Maybe the Pentagon lied and this shit is all doctored, or that it is just footage of planes and weather balloons.
The accounts of every pilot attached to these videos points strongly to the conclusions that they are not man-made craft based on any form of known tech. Two of the pilots have gone on record saying that they got nearly close enough to hit these things, and that the tech was unlike anything that they've seen before. Furthermore, the speeds indicated in these videos are well beyond any known instrument, and there is no detectable evidence in the IR or video that would indicate exhaust or rotor wash.

IDK, but I think that this, for the first time in my life, does warrant some legit discussion. I don't know why more people aren't seriously talking about it.

[Edited on April 30, 2020 at 10:50 AM. Reason : a]

4/30/2020 10:26:58 AM

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They wouldn't have to deal with time dilation if they have the ability to get around relativity via something like an Alcubierre Drive system (theoretically possible at reasonable energy levels but requires "exotic matter") or some other means of FTL "warping". The other option would be some kind of wormhole generation. If they were limited to subluminal velocities, they would of course face the problem of time dilation. Even if they could approach the speed of light, they would have to have some patience and a long life span. One of the closer potentially habitable systems (by are standards) would be Trappist-1 almost 40 light years out.

4/30/2020 12:40:28 PM

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"they would have to have some patience and a long life span"


well, if you are talking about physics as we understand it, any type of biological life form traveling at that speed would have to be isolated in a protective chamber of some sort. The basic laws of bonding in biology, biochem, and biophysics would start to break down as u approach c.

They could be drones that are not piloted by a living organism, although that would bring up a tone of questions related to AI.

Things like wormhole travel and warping are still very much in the realm of science fiction as opposed to our physical understanding of the universe at this point.

Id be interested to see if the timeline of these verified observations has any correlation to the unexplained asteroid that came close to our orbit a couple of years back and then pulled some sort of maneuver in space that could not be explained by physicist and NASA

[Edited on April 30, 2020 at 1:21 PM. Reason : a]

4/30/2020 1:17:53 PM

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there still appears to be a ton of ways that one could investigate this now credible event. A lot of questions could be asked, and reasonable answers could now be obtained.
For example, how did this object affect the radar and communication systems on these planes?
Did the pilots observe any strange aerodynamic phenomena as they approached the anomaly?

Most importantly, if you assume that the footage isn't doctored, has any scientist out there come out with realistic projections of how fast these things were travelling? I am assuming that it shouldn't be impossible to calculate based off of the parameters in the footage. So far, all that I have heard is pilots saying "yeah, nothing that exists can move that fast. No way."

4/30/2020 1:49:25 PM

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The objects appeared to move at hypersonic speeds and in the video appear to have some kind of field around them. They changed altitude at incredible rates (80,000ft in 2 seconds I believe) and moved below the surface of the sea like there was no medium change. Clearly whoever or whatever is behind them discovered something that most of us would call science fiction in the current time.

4/30/2020 3:34:21 PM

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Nothing in the videos is proof of them moving below the sea level. As far as I can tell, that is conjecture from pilots saying "IDK, it just disappeared" and the UFO community has tried to correlate that with other verbal accounts of things passing in and out of water in one fluid, consistent motion.

People have estimated the speeds, but those images that were released are from an F-18 advanced recording system, so there has to be a way to approximate its velocity to a fairly high degree of accuracy. But, I am not the local fighter pilot on this board.

What I meant in my previous post is that the scientific plausibility behind things such as the Alcubierre system or other types of FTL drive is in its basic form a thought experiment to see how scientifically plausible "warping" would be as it is depicted in sci-fi. It's origins are in science fiction. Which means that if you tell a motivated scientist to go find ways that FTL in star wars could be possible, they will come up with something.


[Edited on April 30, 2020 at 4:00 PM. Reason : a]

4/30/2020 3:56:46 PM

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I definitely understand where you are coming from. Either way it is fascinating and we will probably never get an answer.

4/30/2020 6:12:16 PM

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I think that we'll see more of these sightings and videos. The dod has stated that they're trying to investigate it because these things have become a problem on training missions. Several pilots have reported nearly hitting the damn things.

Now, if the government decides to proceed by keeping everything classified then, who knows.

[Edited on April 30, 2020 at 7:50 PM. Reason : S]

4/30/2020 7:45:59 PM

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"Ah yes, that restricted airspace over international waters."


That's actually exactly where most warning areas are found. Over my flying career, I bet I did half of my tactical training over international waters in warning areas.

They aren't restricted (those are known as, aptly enough, "restricted areas"), in the sense that anyone can fly there--but there's a lot of fast jet activity, and sometimes missile shoots and other live fires...and aircraft under IFR control (all airline traffic, for example) won't be cleared through there when the area is hot.

4/30/2020 8:01:26 PM

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Great, thanks for the clarification. It still seems a bit interesting to me that they have largely been sighted in those military areas. Again, some pilots have come out to say that they use to run into them very frequently. It just makes me wonder why these particular sightings have not been mentioned by a passenger jet pilot, yet. WTF would a UFO know about military airspace?

Another interesting factoid is the official military response. In most cases, they will state the possibility of people seeing afterburners, or planes taking of from a carrier at night and blah blah, but in this case they kind of stunned me with a "yeah, we really need to see the object from two different view points to make a proper diagnostic."

[Edited on May 1, 2020 at 9:49 AM. Reason : a]

5/1/2020 9:47:10 AM

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