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LudaChris
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I'm not hating on Finley at all, he's probably going to go down as the 3rd best QB in NC State history(I don't know hot to seed Roman Gabriel despite multiple All-Americans because his stats were...not good and neither was our team).

I think we're going to miss Finley next year, as he is a great college QB and is perfect for our system. But I actually thought he'd have a slightly better season, and I don't put it all on him but some of the picks he's thrown have been just awful throws. I think Drink needed to turn Finley loose a little more, particularly in the redzone.

That being said, he absolutely deserved All-ACC QB, but I was pointing out the competition was...not the best. Lawrence would have likely won that in a landslide if he started all season. Oh well, he'll win it the next 2 years.

11/27/2018 10:08:00 AM

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"I honestly don't get the Finley hate. He is going to be in top 2 in almost every QB School Record category including 3-0 against UNC. "


There's only one poster who doesn't like Finley... and he's mainly just trying to get some attention.

11/27/2018 10:11:24 AM

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"I don't know hot to seed Roman Gabriel despite multiple All-Americans because his stats were...not good and neither was our team). "


Totally different era kinda impossible to make those comparisons.

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"But I actually thought he'd have a slightly better season, and I don't put it all on him but some of the picks he's thrown have been just awful throws. I think Drink needed to turn Finley loose a little more, particularly in the redzone. "


I think most that is due to Doeren’s committment to the run game. Even with the players to do it, this year was never gonna be the air it out, 38 ppg offensive explosion we thought it might be. Doeren insists on a balanced attack and establishing a run game and that’s just part of our offensive identity. In years past it has been great because Dayes and Hines were great RBs to anchor the offense. This year was different. Finely is gonna wind up with about the same number of passing attempts as he had last year. So I think statistically we were probably misguided in thinking Finley and the offense would transform into something that isn’t what Doeren wants to do offensively. But from a yards/attempt and completion% standpoint he has improved. He’s thrown more TDs this year (21 vs 17 in 2017, and that’s in two fewer games). INTs are up to 8 from 6. Yards/attempt is up an almost an entire yard...that seems significant. And his passer rating is up from last year. I know you weren’t arguing that he had bad year, I’m just offering my opinion of why he didn’t put up crazy Big 12 numbers like we thought might be the case

[Edited on November 27, 2018 at 10:28 AM. Reason : A]

11/27/2018 10:26:29 AM

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I think finley is great but not quite good enough to make the Aaron Rodgers type under pressure scramble throw. His biggest weakness may be that he THINKS he IS good enough. The 3 worst int's I remember this year were red zone scramble vs bc, final possession vs Cuse and pressure scramble vs UNC (ironically we won 2 of those). Those were all terrible throws and super wasteful. Cuse was the most understandable bc we really needed a play there, but it was only 3rd down. Gotta throw it away or take the sack and try again.

11/27/2018 10:56:53 AM

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wrong thread

[Edited on November 27, 2018 at 7:33 PM. Reason : -]

11/27/2018 7:27:17 PM

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"Totally different era kinda impossible to make those comparisons. "


I mean, that's why I don't try to compare the stats, but I've looked at Gabriel's stats and I've looked at our team's record when he played, and I can't for the life of me understand how he was a multiple time All-American and 1st round pick, just can't wrap my head around it.

His passing stats were meh, his running stats weren't any better, and our team was pretty awful. It's why I can't put him ahead of guys like Rivers(11 win season), Wilson(10 wins and 1 game away from ACC title), or Finley(....please get to 10 wins this year).

I also think it's why it's not fair to compare PRiv's numbers even to Finley's numbers, college football has changed a lot in the last 15 years.

11/28/2018 9:51:48 AM

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Yeah I obviously wasn’t around for Gabriel but he’s widely considered an all time great (college and pro). passing offenses were just so different then.

11/28/2018 10:37:18 AM

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No, I just think he's vastly overrated. He's the Jake Delhomme of NC State.

And Roman Gabriel won an NFL MVP. That alone should tell you he was dang good.

11/28/2018 10:45:09 AM

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Good news for Justin: Tenn interested in Drink as OC

11/28/2018 4:57:22 PM

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I think you mean good news for NC State football.

11/28/2018 5:26:53 PM

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I've seen UT linked with 3 OC's: Hugh Freeze, Drink, and Chip Lindsey.

I don't mind Drink jumping ship, but I expect he's more likely to hold out for a HC gig, esp after BC's OC just got one and Drink has a much better resume.

11/29/2018 8:29:31 AM

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https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/article222355855.html

As of now it looks like our most likely bowl opponents are TAMU, Iowa St, or SCar. Would like a rematch with SCar. But also kinda scared of Jake Bentley and Debo Samuel vs our secondary.

11/29/2018 8:42:49 AM

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"ECU might feast on Riley (?)"

bruh"


I just read an ecu scouting report that says they have a good pass rush, so I accept your apology

11/29/2018 10:39:50 AM

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I assume much of our offense (Harmon, Finley) will not be playing. Some seniors will need to play for exposure, but not those 2. I dont know that I like our chances vs anyone unless they are like us (WVU?) and have their QB sitting.


[Edited on November 29, 2018 at 2:14 PM. Reason : In regards to the bowl game. Guess the same could be said for ECU though. ]

11/29/2018 2:13:55 PM

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Yeah it’ll be interesting to see how plays...I could see finley playing to try to have a nice game vs a quality opponent, but he nor Harmon really need to play.

11/29/2018 2:33:49 PM

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"We shouldn't have scheduled ECU

We should not have done that"

12/1/2018 3:23:20 PM

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I mean i guess it was a good chance to lad some stats but it was kind of a waste of a game, especially once ahlers got hurt

12/1/2018 3:29:46 PM

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9-3 > 8-3

12/1/2018 3:39:38 PM

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^^9-3 helps bowl seeding and makes us more likely to get ranked. Also gives us a legit shot at 10 wins.

That game wasn't a waste for us(3 new single-season records, great send-off to SRs after that shitty Wake game), but it was absolutely a waste for ECU. I know ECU regrets agreeing to the game, it made the firing of Scottie awkward and delayed their firing/hiring process and they had no benefit from the game this season. Benefit from them is that we agreed to schedule a home-and-home with them to make-up for padding our record this year.

12/1/2018 3:51:37 PM

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I mean, I'm sure they got paid to play today. And they need the money to pay a buyout.

12/1/2018 3:54:09 PM

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^^that win doesn't affect our bowl shot. If we hadn't played the game it would be Orlando or Jacksonville. With a win its Orlando or Jacksonville

12/1/2018 4:06:49 PM

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Drinkwitz might get some looks from other schools for HC position, at least some interest. dont you think?

12/2/2018 1:40:10 AM

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Looks like Orlando unless they decide to fuck Oklahoma and keep uga in the the top 4, in which case, gator/Jacksonville

12/2/2018 9:34:03 AM

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New Years eve, against Iowa State. Orlando Florida

We will see if NC State 9-3(5-3) can get to 10 wins against 8-4(6-3) Iowa State.

12/2/2018 12:49:40 PM

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^camping world bowl is on the 28th...not new years eve

12/2/2018 12:54:23 PM

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It's gator bowl anyways, I was incorrect. Camping world picked Syracuse.

12/2/2018 2:58:11 PM

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Gator Bowl vs. Texas A&M on NYE

12/2/2018 5:23:08 PM

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last time we were in the Gator Bowl, we beat the shit out of Notre Dame during Rivers' junior season, for our 11th win of the year.

12/2/2018 5:28:06 PM

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Seems like a fun matchup.

12/2/2018 6:43:21 PM

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Who's going?

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12/2/2018 7:41:29 PM

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Sounds like Ledford could be a candidate for App State HC position.

12/3/2018 7:09:48 PM

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Ledford rumored to be candidate for HC at App State, if not, definitely for OC.

Auburn just lost their OC, so rumors that Drink will be a candidate to be their OC with his history with Malzahn.

George Barlow rumored to be a potential candidate for JMU HC job since he played there, though seems like maybe a longshot.

12/4/2018 9:30:04 AM

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Where'd Apps coach go?

12/4/2018 9:45:20 AM

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Louisville

12/4/2018 9:58:38 AM

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Do you think UNC hired brown b/c they reached out to App's coach and he told them no?

12/4/2018 10:02:34 AM

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No. I think Mack Brown made it clear to UNC that he wanted that job before they fired Fedora and they didn't bother talking to anyone else.

12/4/2018 11:54:53 AM

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^correct. unc was all in on mack the entire time...he was the #1 (and i don't think there was a #2)

12/4/2018 12:17:31 PM

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Seems weird. I'm not the least bit impressed (or worried). Am I missing something?

12/4/2018 3:14:39 PM

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Yeah it’s weird. Their boosters pined for those glory days and Mack wanted back into coaching. Fedora was kinda brusk and rubbed people the wrong way (especially so when you’re losing so much). He didn’t develop relationships with high schools like Mack did. And basically they want Mack to come back in and fix the culture problems Fedora created. Instead of simply trying to find a young Mack Brown of the future they got old Mack Brown which seems like even with its best case scenario, will end kinda awkwardly in 6-8 years.

12/4/2018 3:18:28 PM

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https://packinsider.com/2018/12/04/five-nc-state-players-earn-ap-all-acc-1st-team-honors/A

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RALEIGH, N.C. – The NC State football team had five individuals named to the All-ACC first-team by the Associated Press, with another two members named to the second-team.


The Wolfpack offense had four members named to the first-team: QB Ryan Finley, WR Kelvin Harmon, C Garrett Bradbury and OT Tyler Jones.

Finley ranks fifth nationally in passing yards (315.8), and 10th in completion percentage (.679) – leading the ACC in both categories. Harmon finished with over 1,000 yards receiving for the second straight season, and he leads the ACC and ranks 12th nationally with 98.8 yards per game.

The Pack’s O-Line, the Band of Brothers, has a pair of first-team selections in Bradbury (a Rimington finalist) and Jones. NC State leads the ACC and ranks third nationally giving up only nine sacks in 2018. The Wolfpack offensive line has paved the way for three straight 1,000-yard rushers, only the second time in school history (1976-78).

On defense, LB Germaine Pratt was also a first-team selection. He ranks second in the ACC with 9.45 tackles per game.

Honored on the second-team were WR Jakobi Meyers and PK Christopher Dunn.

Meyers was the second Pack wide receiver to go over 1,000 yards this season, only the fourth time in ACC history a school had two in the same season. Meyers is second in the conference averaging 93.5 yards per game, a mark that is 17th nationally.

Dunn, a true freshman, is tied for the ACC lead, and ranks ninth nationally, converting 21-of-24 (.875) field goals. The 21 made field goals is a new NC State single-season record. Dunn was also second in the ACC with 113 points, second-best among kickers."

12/4/2018 3:25:20 PM

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UNC had been in discussion with Mack Brown for some time before they fired Fedora, there's a reason the hire took <24 hours.

There were multiple factors involved with hiring Mack:
1. Boosters wanted him back.
2. He's cheap and will be affordable while they pay off Fedora's buyout.
3. He's super safe.
4. He's a great recruiter and that's the focus.
5. Can pump some energy back into the program and get people back in the stands.

UNC should have done a full search and App State's coach should have been the first call, but he was a much riskier hire. Mack is a national championship winning coach with tons of experience and ties to the area.

They want Mack to come in, hire a ton of recruiters, re-establish recruiting dominance in the state and try to get UNC back to the top NC program with plenty of talent and then bring in their future HC with a loaded roster. The only reason Mack was throwing out big name assistants was to generate buzz, and so far all of his assistant hires are 100% for recruiting purposes. Their OC has 1 year of play-calling experience but is a proven recruiter. They brought back Brewster who is an OK position coach but proven recruiter. Dre Bly is 100% about recruiting, so is the OL coach.

The expectation is that if you have enough talent in a bad Coastal, all you need is mediocre coaching and you should be a bowl team. Mack isn't taking over nearly the dumpster fire that Doeren inherited. UNC has had top 25-35 classes the last several years up until this year(currently ranked 89th). UNC is about to flip Howell(4*) and some rumors they're skulking around Tony Davis(4* CB committed to Duke), so the focus right now is to pad the class with some high ranked recruits to generate more recruiting buzz going into 2020.

12/4/2018 7:53:19 PM

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Bradbury won the Rimington Trophy! Put that #55 up in Carter-Finley!

12/6/2018 7:13:54 PM

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That’s pretty awesome

12/6/2018 8:11:54 PM

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^^https://packinsider.com/2018/12/06/nc-states-garrett-bradbury-wins-the-rimington-trophy/

and

https://packinsider.com/2018/12/07/nc-state-center-garrett-bradbury-named-to-walter-camp-all-american-1st-team/



[Edited on December 7, 2018 at 11:41 AM. Reason : ]

12/7/2018 11:35:58 AM

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Can also assume this means a bank truck is being backed up to Ledford or hes gone

12/7/2018 1:55:31 PM

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"Bradbury won the Rimington Trophy! Put that #55 up in Carter-Finley!

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12/7/2018 5:14:29 PM

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Oops sausage fingers

12/7/2018 5:30:47 PM

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*sources* say Ledford is gone

12/9/2018 8:59:57 PM

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Huh. Louisville with Satterfield. I'd guess he'll get more money there. Gonna be a tough loss

12/9/2018 9:17:40 PM

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Yea fuck just saw Louisville, had assumed app state

Damn gonna suck to play against his line every year

12/9/2018 9:31:45 PM

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