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bbehe
Burn it all down.
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How much to be a mod?

1/20/2018 5:59:23 PM

Dynasty2004
Bawls
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qntmfred How long does 800 dollar option in ads keep us going? I might get drunk tonight

1/20/2018 6:05:36 PM

BigMan157
no u
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a year at least

do it

1/20/2018 6:07:59 PM

synapse
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Somebody start a GoFundMe for permabanning all Earl names.

1/20/2018 6:15:13 PM

justinh524
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I'll buy you 5 lafta drinks

1/20/2018 6:30:54 PM

ShawnaC123
2019 Egg Champ
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Next round of Tide Pods is on me. That helps, right?

1/20/2018 6:39:25 PM

tchenku
midshipman
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<--just went premie

so what's the count up to now?

1/20/2018 6:40:15 PM

jakis
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Quote :
"Dear user,

A year ago, you paid $25 to keep TWW online for hundreds of readers. I'm surprised by and deeply grateful for your continued support. We need your help again this year.

I ask you, humbly: please renew your premie today.

Then again, maybe you don’t need to give. Maybe no one gives anymore. We can solicit advertising partners and sponsorships. Sell TWW to the highest bidder. Would it still be TWW, though?

As the Internet is increasingly sold to the highest bidder through paywalls and advertisers, TWW remains independent. We are proud of our status as a non-profit and are grateful to readers like you for maintaining our independence over the years. Let’s not change that. Please give today.

If all our past donors gave again today, our fundraiser would be over within an hour. We’re not there yet. Please help us end the fundraiser and improve TWW.

We believe in the power of facts--nonpartisan, not beholden to any single agenda. We are firm believers in open-source knowledge. We can only uphold this belief if we are completely independent, and in this age of partisan media, that’s never been more important.

Yes, it’s ironic that we say “knowledge must be free” and then ask you to pay for it. But the alternative is that if you--the several readers, editors, and contributors to TWW--do not give, then the open-source principle we value so much is placed at great risk.

Now is the time we ask. If TWW is useful to you, please take one minute to keep it online, ad-free, and growing another year.

https://donate.brentroad.org

Thanks,
qntmfred"


[Edited on January 20, 2018 at 6:54 PM. Reason : + note]

1/20/2018 6:50:51 PM

justinh524
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A year ago, you paid $25 to keep TWW online for hundreds tens of readers."


FTFY

1/20/2018 6:56:20 PM

rjrumfel
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Page 3 and still no information on financials.

I feel like we're long past the point of there being any hope of this generating any kind of revenue, so I'm not sure what the big deal is about posting how much it costs to keep this place running. I mean I kinda feel like we all own it. Especially now that I'm getting ready to get a premie membership (it's been a while, a long while, since I've been premie).

1/20/2018 7:05:36 PM

Fhqwhgads
Fuckwads SS '15
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I'd pay to be mod

1/20/2018 7:10:44 PM

justinh524
Sprots Talk Mod
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TWW is going to become a ponzi scheme.

1/20/2018 7:11:42 PM

Fhqwhgads
Fuckwads SS '15
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Every user that pledges at least $75.00 to TWW will get a free pair of LuLaRoe leggings


IT'S A WIN/WIN/WIN

1/20/2018 7:13:23 PM

rjrumfel
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Ok I'm premium again, now what?

1/20/2018 7:15:36 PM

BigMan157
no u
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the financials can be significantly mitigated with a rewrite, but that's a lot of effort for qntmfred to go through for us mooching fucks

1/20/2018 7:19:05 PM

Air
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So before this sunset happens...

How do we go about reminiscing about all the best 'threads'?

We need a 'best of' tool.

1/20/2018 7:21:27 PM

qntmfred
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^^

1/20/2018 7:38:23 PM

justinh524
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So make bigman do it

1/20/2018 7:41:54 PM

HaLo
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What part of the site makes the hosting so costly?

1/20/2018 7:43:02 PM

qntmfred
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the server


as i've noted many times, yes there are many more affordable hosting options out there. rewriting the software and migrating to a new server is more time than I'm currently willing to put in to make that change given where we have been in tww's lifecycle. I may be motivated to revisit this issue later in the year if there's enough people who want tww to stick around. but as I also mentioned, for the purposes of this thread I'm not interested in discussing whether or not there are ways to make tww hosting cheaper. I know there are. I'm just not willing to spend my time (aka more of my money) doing it if there are reasonable alternatives (some of y'all chipping in roughly $2/mo to cover some of the costs). to say it another way, I'm not going to spend $10k to save $1k

[Edited on January 20, 2018 at 7:57 PM. Reason : ^^ i'll allow it]

1/20/2018 7:45:24 PM

Fhqwhgads
Fuckwads SS '15
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I vote bigman as well

1/20/2018 7:46:50 PM

tulsigabbard
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1 day of a few people taking turns handing out flyers on the brickyard would generate enough traffic to revive the whole place.

1/20/2018 7:59:14 PM

Fhqwhgads
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We’re all pushing 40 years old here. We’d have to hire an actual college kid to distribute the flyers. Cause what college female freshmen is going to join a “college” message board when the flyer was handed to them by a middle-aged man?

1/20/2018 8:05:05 PM

ShawnaC123
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^Also we have fucking jobs and lives to keep us busy during weekdays.

1/20/2018 8:07:22 PM

BigMan157
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1/20/2018 8:13:20 PM

synapse
play so hard
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Quote :
"Ok I'm premium again, now what?"


The site doesn't shut down? What are you expecting exactly?

[Edited on January 20, 2018 at 8:23 PM. Reason : ^^^,^^ Earl'd]

1/20/2018 8:22:28 PM

rjrumfel
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^Bro, there wasn't any kind of meaning in that whatsoever.

I just don't remember what the premie perks are.

1/20/2018 8:27:54 PM

synapse
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^ oh so we're gonna pretend you weren't trying hard to extract financials right before that post?

Main perk is this place staying open.

[Edited on January 20, 2018 at 8:42 PM. Reason : Reddit sucks]

1/20/2018 8:32:58 PM

Gonzo18
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How much would you save if you cut out calendar, books, school tool and photo gallery, or is it negligible?

1/20/2018 8:33:31 PM

rjrumfel
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^^That hasn't changed, I'm still curious as to how much it costs to run this place.

I mean, give us a hard number, we can all (those who are willing) take the amount, divide it among ourselves, and keep the place running, rather than hoping we get X amount of premium subscriptions.

1/20/2018 8:54:40 PM

qntmfred
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server hosting to run the entire site is a fixed cost. removing features won't make any impact on cost. that said, if at some point I move to a cheaper hosting solution, i'll probably disable photo galleries

^ i'm just trying to make it easy for people to participate by leveraging existing features. if anybody is willing to chip in more than $25/year you're welcome to do so. If you want to contribute but don't want to use paypal to subscribe to premie or to buy ads, let me know and I'll figure out another solution with you.

[Edited on January 20, 2018 at 8:58 PM. Reason : .]

1/20/2018 8:56:10 PM

rjrumfel
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Is there an option to migrate it to a vm?

1/20/2018 8:57:05 PM

qntmfred
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Quote :
"as i've noted many times, yes there are many more affordable hosting options out there. rewriting the software and migrating to a new server is more time than I'm currently willing to put in to make that change given where we have been in tww's lifecycle. I may be motivated to revisit this issue later in the year if there's enough people who want tww to stick around. but as I also mentioned, for the purposes of this thread I'm not interested in discussing whether or not there are ways to make tww hosting cheaper. I know there are. I'm just not willing to spend my time (aka more of my money) doing it if there are reasonable alternatives (some of y'all chipping in roughly $2/mo to cover some of the costs). to say it another way, I'm not going to spend $10k to save $1k"

1/20/2018 8:59:49 PM

Grandmaster
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Not to put mellocj on the spot either but have you reached out to him at all?

1/20/2018 9:04:18 PM

qntmfred
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yes, that is one avenue I'm pursuing

[Edited on January 20, 2018 at 9:05 PM. Reason : which was an effective approach in 2016. hopefully it will be again this year]


can we go back to discussing how much we either want or don't want tww to survive 2018 now? i'll figure out how to make it more financially viable if there's still sufficient interest. tbh I expected more people to be ok with the let TWW end option.

[Edited on January 20, 2018 at 9:07 PM. Reason : thanks]

1/20/2018 9:04:27 PM

justinh524
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I think you're the only one who wants TWW to die in a fire.

1/20/2018 9:08:33 PM

rjrumfel
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Well, so far there have been a number of folks go premie just based on this thread alone, so that to me says there is interest.

1/20/2018 9:08:38 PM

qntmfred
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yes, that's been very encouraging and i'm grateful. let's get some more people signed up then

1/20/2018 9:15:50 PM

rjrumfel
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And just out of curiosity, is whatever OS this thing is running on even supported anymore?

1/20/2018 9:16:11 PM

synapse
play so hard
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"can we go back to discussing how much we either want or don't want tww to survive 2018 now? "


This thread isn't even a day and a half old...it seems like the answer is "want"

If Reddit didn't suck so bad perhaps that wouldn't be the case. It's pretty nice to be able to leverage old threads too, to the degree that happens.

1/20/2018 9:26:16 PM

Nighthawk
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I started a new job this month and got a nice raise. My first check on said new salary is in two weeks. I have never given one red cent to this bastard, but have been using it since 2000. I will go premium at that time and finally give back some to this site.

1/20/2018 9:44:35 PM

aaronburro
Sup, B
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I'm gonna say this:
If you want this place to survive, you gotta kill ALL of the Earl aliases, and kill each and every one that pops up in its place. Every useful thread in this place has been fucked up by him in some way. I know I'm not a TWW MVP, and I have tendencies to be a dick around here, but nothing to the extent that Earl does. He single-handedly killed Sports Talk, with honorable mention going to Jibbles. Now he's trying to fuck up the bitcoin thread in Tech Talk, as well as dicking around in The Soap Box. He's a troll. Get rid of him. Hell, he's even trolling this very thread, for fuck's sake.

If we ever get the ball rolling on this place again, Earl is a liability. Get him the fuck out of here.

1/20/2018 9:47:23 PM

synapse
play so hard
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"I have tendencies to be a dick around here, but nothing to the extent that Earl does"


Earl isn't a dick.

1/20/2018 9:52:14 PM

aaronburro
Sup, B
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Yeah, but I am

1/20/2018 10:00:01 PM

Money_Jones
Ohhh Farts
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Quote :
"can we go back to discussing how much we either want or don't want tww to survive 2018 now? i'll figure out how to make it more financially viable if there's still sufficient interest. tbh I expected more people to be ok with the let TWW end option"


Quote :
"This thread isn't even a day and a half old...it seems like the answer is "want""


Yeah seriously, how many people have gone premie just today, and other people just showing support? It seems like there has been a pretty overwhelming support of keeping it going

1/20/2018 10:55:35 PM

DROD900
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I'm out of town and will be getting premie when I get back. This place sucks but don't you dare say that it sucks to my face.

1/20/2018 11:01:55 PM

tulsigabbard
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The funny part about that whole thing is I'm not even Earl. I don't know what he did to you but what did I do to you in the bitcoin thread? I'm one of the only people actually generating discussion in some of these topics.

and how is suggesting bringing new students onto the site a troll? Do you even realize how internet revenue works?

[Edited on January 21, 2018 at 12:17 AM. Reason : look at his posts. 70% of them are literally shit posts.]

1/21/2018 12:11:19 AM

aaronburro
Sup, B
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1/21/2018 12:23:12 AM

MrGreen
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unsuspend settledown and he will go premie and buy ads

or so i hear

1/21/2018 2:09:50 AM

synapse
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should we unsuspend State409c while we're at it?

1/21/2018 10:15:54 AM

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