blame everyone else itt

1/20/2018 8:32:23 AM

These types of situations are going to keep happening because it is tough for one party to get 60 seats in the Senate. Our politicians are too busy playing Republicans vs Democrats. There isn't enough time to take a timeout and compromise.

1/20/2018 11:18:18 AM

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"There isn't enough time to take a timeout and compromise."

Wrong, there is no desire to compromise like adults because it would give the other side a “win”.

1/20/2018 11:33:02 AM

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"Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.), a senior member of the House Appropriations Committee, acknowledged that his party will get at least some of the blame for the shutdown. ‘There's a lot of blame to go around on all sides. We’re in the majority, we control all three branches. So we’re going to get blamed, whether we deserve it or not. Just the way it is,’ Dent told reporters as he walked to the House GOP conference meeting."

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/369899-live-coverage-shutdown-begins

[Edited on January 20, 2018 at 11:36 AM. Reason : ]

1/20/2018 11:35:49 AM

whatever shall we do?

1/20/2018 12:05:53 PM

it works because it keeps you people distracted to why not keep doing it

1/20/2018 12:19:09 PM

good thing net neutrality went away so the internets are still going



[Edited on January 20, 2018 at 12:59 PM. Reason : we should give these chuckle fucks in DC ALL THE POWR]

1/20/2018 12:51:57 PM

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"After spending years blasting congressional Republicans as obstructionists who would rather shut down the government over their pet issue than work with the president on broad legislation, Democrats decided to use what little congressional power they currently have to...shut down the government over their pet issue rather than work with the president on broad legislation."

1/20/2018 4:51:07 PM

DACA and CHIP each have extremely high public support, even among republicans... But sure. Pet issues

1/20/2018 5:00:10 PM

^^ Is that comparison even applicable to this situation? Republicans in Congress have been sitting on CHIP for months, and there's a bipartisan DACA fix that would pass if brought to a vote.

1/20/2018 5:08:24 PM

I just want 1 sitting Senator or Congressman to say "Yup, we blew it and we owe our constituents better."

1/21/2018 9:44:27 AM

^I've seen some say things like that. "We have to do better" "we owe to the American public" blah blah blah.

Problem is more the action than the words. They all say a lot of right things, but the actions are always in the order of self-money-party-self-self-re-election-money-self-troops-self-party-America.

1/21/2018 10:44:21 AM

trump loves to boast how much he's gutting regulations so he prob should just try to keep the govt shutdown for 3 years or something.

1/21/2018 10:57:44 AM

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"On Saturday, the president was left alternately defiant and angry, self-pitying and frustrated. He argued to aides that he did not deserve the blame he was taking, but without a credible deal on the table, there was little for him to do. Irritated to have missed his big event in Florida, Mr. Trump spent much of his day watching old TV clips of him berating President Barack Obama for a lack of leadership during the 2013 government shutdown, a White House aide said, seeming content to sit back and watch the show."

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/20/us/politics/trump-shutdown.html

1/21/2018 11:31:49 AM

LMAO that reads like the start of a bedtime story.

[Edited on January 21, 2018 at 4:22 PM. Reason : "but what did he do next daddy?"]

1/21/2018 4:05:19 PM

I'm furloughed. Really great timing. Not as though I'm trying to pay for a wedding or just bought honeymoon tickets or just had to get two surprise flights to LA or anything.

It has been interesting, hearing from people around Washington how different this shutdown is from the last one. Last time, it was Executive vs. Legislative, so Obama made a big show of shutting everything down - national parks and whatnot. This time, since the same party controls everything, they're working real hard to soften the blow, at least in terms of optics - national parks staying open, etc. It tells me that the Republicans rightly expect the blame to land on them. If they thought all the shit was going to stick to the Democrats, they'd be throwing around a lot more shit.

1/21/2018 6:32:04 PM

why does this shit just sneak up on us out of the blue every damn time. It seems like a surprise...

1/21/2018 7:48:32 PM

^It probably makes it easier for at least one party to get what they want because they can't sit around forever once this happens. Honestly, the best fix would probably be to let people protected under DACA stay under the condition that the government is allowed to get way tougher on immigration than ever before. That would include building a wall and increasing security along the border. I'm guessing the Democrats won't go for that though. At some point we have to do more than grant amnesty to people from shithole nations once every 30 years. I know there lives suck, but it isn't our duty to save the world. They'll just have to do a better job hiding from gangs and terrorist in their own nations to prevent being murdered.

1/21/2018 8:25:05 PM

^ that’s completely wrong and idiotic. The pedigree of America, the reason it exists, is that otherwise poor and desperate People motivated to leave their homelands we’re seeking a better life.


“I had always hoped that this land might become a safe and agreeable asylum to the virtuous and persecuted part of mankind, to whatever nation they might belong.”
- George Washington

“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”
- Emma Lazarus

“you can go to live in France, but you can’t become a Frenchman. You can go to live in Germany or Italy, but you can’t become a German, an Italian. He went through Turkey, Greece, Japan and other countries. But he said anyone, from any corner of the world, can come to live in the United States and become an American.”
-Ronald Reagan

1/21/2018 8:35:32 PM

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"Honestly, the best fix would probably be to let people protected under DACA stay under the condition that the government is allowed to get way tougher on immigration than ever before. That would include building a wall and increasing security along the border. I'm guessing the Democrats won't go for that though."

You realize Schumer offered Trump exactly that, right?

1/21/2018 8:36:37 PM

^Hopefully he changes his mind, or maybe passes the bill with a little tweaking.

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"^ that’s completely wrong and idiotic. The pedigree of America, the reason it exists, is that otherwise poor and desperate People motivated to leave their homelands we’re seeking a better life. "

You are correct, but we are a nation of laws. I know a lot of people from Europe, Central America, and South America who came here legally and there is nothing wrong with that at all. A lot of them are actually upset with the idea of amnesty and would like their money back since it cost them a lot to be here legally. We have to stop letting mass amounts of people come here from shithole nations illegally. If we wanted to be nice to everyone then we would have to relocate the entire population of Africa, South America, Central America, part of Europe, and a good chunk of Asia to the USA. Pretty much every country in the World sucks more than the USA. That's why a lot of people from African nations are trying to sneak into Europe instead of other shitty African nations.

1/21/2018 9:07:05 PM

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"I know a lot of people from Europe, Central America, and South America who came here legally and there is nothing wrong with that at all."

LOL you're so full of shit.

Trump has been literally railing on LEGAL immigrants for months now, just put out an ad trashing legal immigrants, he's been talking about "chain migration" being a big problem ("chain migration" is LEGAL immigration).

The reason we have a gov shutdown is partially because Trump wants to clamp down more on LEGAL immigrants.

1/21/2018 11:08:48 PM

I can't say I'm surprised to see B4C parrot Trump's disgusting words.

And yes, he's obviously WILDLY full of shit.

[Edited on January 21, 2018 at 11:39 PM. Reason : And dumb. People run from war idiot...not just "shitty" countries ]

[Edited on January 21, 2018 at 11:40 PM. Reason : But yeah USA! USA! never contributes to the wars these poor fucks are trying to escape from right?]

1/21/2018 11:37:37 PM

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"Pretty much every country in the World sucks more than the USA"

How long do you have?

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"You realize Schumer offered Trump exactly that, right?"

Did he though? From my read he offered maintenance on the existing wall, not a new one.

[Edited on January 21, 2018 at 11:43 PM. Reason : ]

1/21/2018 11:42:38 PM

^^I would hate to be involved in the chain of command that tells someone desperate that they can't come to America, but you have to draw the line somewhere. Like I said, I'm cool with some people coming here legally.

1/21/2018 11:57:55 PM

Trump is a white supremacist, his ideal line is 0 brown immigrants.

His views on immigration are wildly out of step with the majority of American's by a huge margin, and they are nearly completely antithetical to what American has long stood for.

1/22/2018 12:12:19 AM

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"moron:^ that’s completely wrong and idiotic. The pedigree of America, the reason it exists, is that otherwise poor and desperate People motivated to leave their homelands we’re seeking a better life. "

I like this notion, but I think it's a myth.

I dunno. I'm just not sure that large numbers of truly poor, desperate people were able to pack up in droves, travel around the world, and start new lives. It doesn't jibe with my understanding of poverty.

I mean, it's cool to believe that we're all descended from desperately poor people who were just so motivated and worked so hard that they overcame it all to build new lives from scratch in the great land of the opportunity. But that doesn't add up.

1/22/2018 1:35:40 AM

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"id he though? From my read he offered maintenance on the existing wall, not a new one."

Schumer said he asked Trump to name a number for the wall. Trump did, and Schumer agreed to it.

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"I'm just not sure that large numbers of truly poor, desperate people were able to pack up in droves, travel around the world, and start new lives. It doesn't jibe with my understanding of poverty."

In the past, though, that's how it worked.

The barriers to immigration used to be low enough that "truly poor" people could come here, and I'm not just talking about the legal barriers. The process was cheaper and more straightforward (if more physically difficult and dangerous). In general, "money" as we understand it was less vital to every step in the process - you were more likely to be able to trade labor for passage, or feed yourself on what you grew, or what have you. The government "encouraged" plenty of desperate and poor people to migrate - for example, by offering the alternatives of "leave the country or go to prison." Meanwhile, once you got here, even if things went all to shit you could basically just start walking west until you found some unoccupied land, at which point you could build a house and start farming. All of this made it much easier for poor people to come here back in the day.

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"I mean, it's cool to believe that we're all descended from desperately poor people who were just so motivated and worked so hard that they overcame it all to build new lives from scratch in the great land of the opportunity."

I don't think that's what anybody is driving at - we're not trying to whitewash the history here. We're frequently descended from people who worked hard . . . at whipping black people or murdering Indians. But the simple fact is that people who have a pretty sweet deal at home are not likely to uproot themselves and risk death or ruin by travelling across the ocean. They stay where the deal is sweet. People migrate because they feel that they need to.

1/22/2018 9:27:04 AM

lindsey graham is blaming this on stephen miller and other white house aides

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"It has been interesting, hearing from people around Washington how different this shutdown is from the last one. Last time, it was Executive vs. Legislative, so Obama made a big show of shutting everything down - national parks and whatnot. This time, since the same party controls everything, they're working real hard to soften the blow, at least in terms of optics - national parks staying open, etc. It tells me that the Republicans rightly expect the blame to land on them. If they thought all the shit was going to stick to the Democrats, they'd be throwing around a lot more shit."

i was wondering about this, but if this is the case why did mcconnel object to military pay?

[Edited on January 22, 2018 at 9:47 AM. Reason : .]

1/22/2018 9:43:05 AM

Lindsey Graham is a disgusting hawk who only curried favor with Trump in hopes of bombing NK and Iran.

But he’s right on this.

1/22/2018 9:46:19 AM

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"Schumer said he asked Trump to name a number for the wall. Trump did, and Schumer agreed to it."

Can't really trust these people though.

1/22/2018 10:31:13 AM

^^^ The military is paid on the 1st and 15th of each month. They won't miss a paycheck unless the shutdown lasts into February.

[Edited on January 22, 2018 at 10:34 AM. Reason : ^]

1/22/2018 10:34:08 AM

The Dems will give in, McConnell will lie and go back on his promise and then the Dems will give in again and give Trump more than he initially even asked for in exchange for DACA on March 2.

This much is obvious.

[Edited on January 22, 2018 at 10:38 AM. Reason : It’s unfathomable to me that these tools trust McConnell]

1/22/2018 10:36:36 AM

Gutless pieces of shit are about to give Trump a huge win without getting ANY guarantees. Even if McConnell allowing a vote on DACA, without assurances from Paul Ryan what good is it?

Democrats suck.

1/22/2018 11:53:40 AM

what are your #sources?

1/22/2018 12:09:19 PM

My Bloomberg and the TV above my desk.

1/22/2018 12:09:50 PM

Of course McConnell isn't going to simply bring that for a vote. The best language I've seen from him is that he "hopes" DACA will come up, as if he doesn't hold that power

1/22/2018 12:13:19 PM

I'm not really sure what people expected Democrats to get out of this. Paul Ryan was never going to break the pedophile rule and bring DACA to a vote in the House. Those folks have already embraced Trump, embraced the most extreme wing of the party. The Democrats were never going to get DACA. These Republicans were never going to cave on illegal immigration for ending the shutdown. We're talking about a group of people that want to reduce legal immigration by 40%. Their first action on immigration after taking power was literally detaining people with legal status at airports. Their position is deport all 11 million illegal immigrants, build a wall behind them, and then change the laws so it's impossible for them to ever come back. There's no winning as long as they control the government.

This is no different than Ted Cruz trying to force Obama and Reid to repeal Obamacare by shutting down the government, that was never going to happen either. Hell, the Republicans at least had a majority in one of the chambers when that went down. DACA was dead the moment Trump signed that order, there is literally nothing the Democrats can do about it now. This is why elections matter.

1/22/2018 12:18:10 PM

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"Schumer says that the agreement with McConnell is: if there's no comprehensive agreement by Feb. 8, they will "immediately proceed to consideration of legislation dealing with DACA. The process will be neutral and fair to all sides.""

Jesus Christ, they are naive.

1/22/2018 12:22:07 PM

Everyone pays some price during a shutdown. If they didn't than why are any Rs even talking to the Ds instead of just going to play golf and saying, "let us know when you're ready to open back up"

most republicans care about opening the government back up, and since they need democrat votes to do that, there is an opportunity (yes, a small one) to get something on of those votes. What exactly is your idea of an alternative?

1/22/2018 12:23:00 PM

What did they get?

Verbal assurances from a proven liar that don’t matter anyway because Ryan won’t bring a vote without the awful Freedom Caucus being on board?

They got straight up played.

[Edited on January 22, 2018 at 12:27 PM. Reason : at least everyone sees how feckless Trump is.]

1/22/2018 12:27:05 PM

I'm not sure a DACA bill could ever be negotiated regardless of how clean the bill is, or wall funding, or who gets what concessions etc. There is a significant group of the GOP that is only interested in inflicting pain on immigrants. Their base demands it, and the rest of the GOP refuses to move forward unless every neo-confederate in the house agrees to the bill. We may have to accept that they simply won't allow any movement here.

What is frustrating is they're too big of cowards to come out and say "Fuck Dreamers." Instead they feign interest in some bills and negotiations, claim they eventually want to do something on this issue, but deep down know they'd never agree to anything.

[Edited on January 22, 2018 at 12:29 PM. Reason : Oops, Repeating the gist of posts above.]

1/22/2018 12:27:17 PM

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"McConnell on floor: The Dems strategy to shutdown the gov't over "illegal immigration" is a strategy the American people didn't understand"

Lol and he knows he played Schumer so now he’s trolling everyone. What a joke.

1/22/2018 12:29:13 PM

^X

They got nothing, I was simply saying that there was a possibility of getting something here, that's all, but they have no backbone as usual

1/22/2018 12:33:37 PM

Democrats are so shitty at politics

1/22/2018 1:00:24 PM

it's pretty amazing

1/22/2018 1:04:52 PM

Now Ted Cruz is trolling and saying he would never support a shutdown.

Nothing matters.

1/22/2018 1:37:31 PM

I think the only maneuver here is to ramp up DACA "negotiations" between now and February. A good bit of the GOP, including the president, can't talk about immigration without dropping comments like "shithole countries," "cantaloupe-calf drug runners," "AMNESTY!!!!! AHHHHH," etc etc etc. So I think it's in the Dems best interest to bring the subject up incessantly, as well as reminding everyone they agreed to come up with a solution.

At some point, hopefully right after Tom Cotton screams "FUCK MEXICANS" into a news camera, it'll become clear to the public that one side isn't interested in solutions.

1/22/2018 1:53:07 PM

no it won't, the people who would mind comments like that already know what's up

they had a deal before, if they can keep it from becoming too much of a political football they will make a deal again

1/22/2018 2:20:26 PM

By deal do you mean Graham-Durbin? Trump already has spokesmen on CNN flatly saying he won't sign it, Tom Cotton, Steve King, and the rest of the Klan are already pushing out "AMNESTY AGHHHHHHHH" talking points on twitter and I'm sure will be on Fox Mews within the hour.

The deal is already toast, I think it's fair to question if it was ever a deal to begin with, or even a good faith negotiation for that matter.

[Edited on January 22, 2018 at 2:44 PM. Reason : As the minority, only thing left to do is try and make hay off how racist the GOP is.]

1/22/2018 2:43:49 PM