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"Should have played Yurt more"


yeah we needed his offense. he couldn't stop maye...but by the 2nd half nobody else could stop maye either

2/10/2018 3:49:03 PM

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Game over. Could've won this one

2/10/2018 3:49:32 PM

dmspack
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fuck unc

fuck maye

fuck roy

go pack

[Edited on February 10, 2018 at 3:50 PM. Reason : fuck berry's bitch ass too]

2/10/2018 3:50:11 PM

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of course we foul the 90% shooters

2/10/2018 3:50:37 PM

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beat by one motherfucker. I always put that as a fail on the coach. You can't let one player beat you.

2/10/2018 3:51:04 PM

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Red blazer Record: 1-Billion


Please hard foul.

2/10/2018 3:51:56 PM

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abu just isnt good. yeah, if he'd try to post up and dunk on every possession he'd be worth playing against maye but he'd rather jack up terrible jumpers and miss lay ins

2/10/2018 3:52:03 PM

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"abu just isnt good. yeah, if he'd try to post up and dunk on every possession he'd be worth playing against maye but he'd rather jack up terrible jumpers and miss lay ins"


hes good for some chest beats on half contested dunks. But a 6'8 post player with athleticism like his and he ends the game with 1 rebound? lol

2/10/2018 3:52:50 PM

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Dorn slapping away Beverly's high five

2/10/2018 3:53:05 PM

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terrible coaching. he had 2 weeks to fix the fucking trash defense. if he wasn't an amazing offensive coach, i'd be pissed.

2/10/2018 3:53:38 PM

dmspack
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yeah. abu is athletically gifted but isn't a good basketball player.

2/10/2018 3:54:02 PM

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Dorn was a beast, kept us in it

2/10/2018 3:54:08 PM

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Shut up earl

2/10/2018 3:54:08 PM

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this is why you cant lose to uncg if you schedule like herb sendek

2/10/2018 3:54:24 PM

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It’s like they were advised not to foul, so nobody played defense on multiple possessions.

It was weird.

2/10/2018 3:55:28 PM

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also, we would have won this game if freeman went 8-8 and you fucks still wouldn't see our glaring lack of defense

2/10/2018 3:55:47 PM

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Lots of things went their way, but we killed ourselves at the free throw line.

2/10/2018 3:56:17 PM

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"this is why you cant lose to uncg if you schedule like herb sendek

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Because then you'll lose to UNC?

2/10/2018 3:56:20 PM

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because when you lose to unc like youre going to, you then need to win at syracuse to stay on the right side of the bubble

2/10/2018 3:57:11 PM

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yeah we've struggled with foul trouble most of the year (especially yurt) - yet in a game where the refs generally let both teams play physically, we shied away from the physicality and didn't adjust.

trying to put a silver lining on it, didn't expect us to go 2-1 vs Duke and UNC this year. so that's good. but feel like this was a winnable game that we lost because of poor rebounding and poor defense.

2/10/2018 3:57:35 PM

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"also, we would have won this game if freeman went 8-8 and you fucks still wouldn't see our glaring lack of defense

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several people have commented on the lay up line and the wide open shots they got. you aren't the only person with basketball knowledge here.

[Edited on February 10, 2018 at 3:58 PM. Reason : first rule of sports talk, dammit]

2/10/2018 3:58:46 PM

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The new troll accounts are piling up bodies in this thread.

2/10/2018 3:59:59 PM

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never said i was the only one but im definitely the minority. especially when you look at the game we won. for some reason, when we won in chapel hill. almost no one acknowledged the same defensive problems.

its easy to acknowledge problems after a loss.

2/10/2018 4:01:02 PM

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"Lots of things went their way, but we killed ourselves at the free throw line.

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12/19 isn't good, but that's not really what killed us imo

2/10/2018 4:02:55 PM

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e man is a basketball savant. the rest of us dolts just like the slams and jams.

2/10/2018 4:04:04 PM

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How great ACC basketball would be if every game was called like this.
Show this film and the VT game and it's two different sports.

2/10/2018 4:08:58 PM

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"its easy to acknowledge problems after a loss."


It's almost like we're fans that want to enjoy a win rather than focus on deficiencies

We aren't the fucking coaches and we professional analysts we don't have to give a full breakdown after every game like you feel the need to do

[Edited on February 10, 2018 at 4:11 PM. Reason : Km postgame: "TWW just really dropped the ball in analyzing what we did poorly last game" ]

2/10/2018 4:09:02 PM

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"How great ACC basketball would be if every game was called like this.
Show this film and the VT game and it's two different sports.

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easily my biggest gripe with officiating. yes...refs are gonna miss calls every game and sadly there's nothing we can do to really fix that...it's human error. but god dang if a little bit of consistency wouldn't go a long ways. when every game (and sometimes every half) is called differently, it's gotta be hard for defenses to adjust.

[Edited on February 10, 2018 at 4:12 PM. Reason : ^i've always said, if gott read TWW he would've never been fired]

2/10/2018 4:11:50 PM

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What did they shoot in the 2nd half 80%?

2/10/2018 4:25:15 PM

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33 points and 17 boards for a career day ofc.

2/10/2018 4:27:39 PM

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I would say that our defense isn't that terrible if we can force 19 turnovers. A terrible defense can't guard and can't force turnovers, much like Gott's teams.

We'll give up some points with our scheme. I'm not so disappointed in the defense as I am in the lack of rebounding. There were some critical missed chances that gave them a lot of second chance points.

2/10/2018 4:33:29 PM

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^counter point - second chance points aren't the issue when they're shooting 75%+ for the second half. not a lotta second chance points to be had.

2/10/2018 4:51:19 PM

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a lot of those turnovers were unforced. our press didn't really do shit but give up easy layups. unc was throwing the ball straight out of bounds.

2/10/2018 5:10:28 PM

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Simply put, our team can afford to have one shitty on ball defender playing high pressure away from the basket. We can't afford to have two. Aside from his generally terrible shooting (not the problem today), I think that's one of the big reasons why there is a strong correlation between us playing like dogshit and Al Freeman having 30+ min.

2/10/2018 5:16:00 PM

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^^that is correct. unc had plenty of unforced errors.

in general, our D has been good about forcing turnovers and that, to a degree, masks other defensive shortcomings (they go 0/0 on a possession where they turn it over, so it doesn't show up in FG%, for example). but today it seemed like UNC being very careless at times

[Edited on February 10, 2018 at 5:17 PM. Reason : arrows]

2/10/2018 5:16:50 PM

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So we get any reason why Batts got no burn??

2/10/2018 8:51:30 PM

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The defense actually wasn't terrible....what was terrible was getting out rebounded by 41-24 margin. Find a man and box the fuck out. Maye got 8 offensive boards. Unacceptable.

2/10/2018 10:52:59 PM

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^This!

^^Not much of an offensive threat.

2/10/2018 11:11:08 PM

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Holy fuck I agree with B4C (on the latter)

[Edited on February 10, 2018 at 11:14 PM. Reason : We knew we were gonna get killed on the boards]

[Edited on February 10, 2018 at 11:15 PM. Reason : Shit I got Boozied]

2/10/2018 11:14:11 PM

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Dudes. They scored 60 pts in the second half on 77% shooting. That’s some Gott shit to say the defense wasn’t bad.

Batts isn’t an shooting threat but neither is al fuckin Freeman. Batts can play d and handle the ball, drive and dish to guys who can score.

2/10/2018 11:48:37 PM

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Defense was obviously terrible in the 2nd half. Part of the reason they shot lights out is bc most shots were layups.

2/11/2018 12:48:15 AM

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"Batts isn’t an shooting threat but neither is al fuckin Freeman"


5/11 FG, 2/3 3PT, 5/6 FTs, 17 points. Freeman had a pretty damn good game. i know we all shit on Freeman a lot and a lot of it is deserved. but he did more yesterday than Batts could have offensively. i don't disagree that Batts probably should've gotten some burn. but swapping out Batts for Freeman ain't winning us that game.

2/11/2018 8:14:38 AM

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Yes I pointed out above that in this game Freeman’s offense wasn’t a problem, however what about last game?

I still haven’t heard a good reason why Batts has ridden the pine while we are getting torched on the drive. When Freeman plays 30+ minutes a game, we aren’t a great team. Now correlation doesn’t equal causation, but that fact can’t be denied.

2/11/2018 1:02:27 PM

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I think Batts should steal minutes from a big, not A. Freeman. If we rotate the 3 bigs one at a time, we get more floor space, and they can defend the rim without worrying about fatigue or foul trouble.

2/11/2018 3:28:52 PM

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"and they can defend the rim"


but we're horrible at defense, so

2/11/2018 3:33:21 PM

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mambagrl is still under the delusion that we can actually do something about an integral part of our team and our coaches play style (at least for this year, although I expect it will continue based on his past), rather than just accepting it for what it is and hoping we can get a few years of fred hoiberg-style results

2/11/2018 5:14:05 PM

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"I think Batts should steal minutes from a big, not A. Freeman. If we rotate the 3 bigs one at a time, we get more floor space, and they can defend the rim without worrying about fatigue or foul trouble."


Okay see you now I'm wondering if you watch the games at all. Somebody can correct me but didn't we spend 80% of the last 2 games with only one big on the floor??

In the VT game Yurt got 2 fouls so Abu came in. Then Abu got 2 so Nard came in, and so on

It might have been more Sat, but Al, MJ, Beverly and Dorn started with Yurt.

[Edited on February 11, 2018 at 5:37 PM. Reason : E]

2/11/2018 5:36:28 PM

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That is true but there were periods of both games where L.Freeman and Abu were on the floor at the same time. Thats when I'm saying Batts should be on the court. Maybe its only 5 minutes but its more than nothing.

[Edited on February 11, 2018 at 5:43 PM. Reason : 20% is more than 0%]

2/11/2018 5:42:20 PM

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anybody notice the new “2017 National Champion UNC Tar Heels” sigh that’s up on 40 after Harrison, right before the Wade split? there’s also up up at 540.

they’re legit-looking signs. super odd placement.

2/11/2018 6:01:42 PM

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thinking more about the game. i think we could've used Abu and Dorn more on Maye. Abu did well in the late stages of the game on Maye, but he didn't start guarding that i remember until very late. i don't know that he could lock him down all game...Abu hasn't really proven to be a particularly good defender at all this year, so it's hard to trust him all game on Maye. and that's probably why KK didn't put Abu on Maye earlier. in crunch time he did pretty good though. Dorn did good guarding Maye for a stretch in the first half and i woulda liked to see him given the chance at other times against Maye when Maye was abusing Lenanrd and Yurt.

also, a lotta talk about Batts not playing - and i don't completely disagree with it. i think it is weird he has been so absent the last two games. but whose minutes are you taking away? i don't trust Batts to run the offense in this kinda game, so he shouldn't be taking Markell's minutes. Al Freeman had a good game, so i'm not sure you can justify Batts taking any of Freeman's minutes. Beverly was 3-4 on 3PTs and, especially early in the game, hit some big shots to keep it close. Sam Hunt played 9 minutes - i'd be fine with Batts playing over hunt and maybe getting a few of Braxton's minutes...but for the most part all those guys except Hunt did more than Batts would've done. the majority of our defensive issues (not all, of course) were letting Luke Maye kill us...and Batts isn't a solution for that. i'm not trying to shit on Batts because i really do like him...but i don't think he's the savior in this game. Batts also hasn't made a FG since the Miami game.

2/12/2018 8:40:31 AM

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