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TreeTwista10
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UCF is undefeated, too. Should they get in? Their schedule is horrible. It's easy to go undefeated if you don't play anybody at all.

Notre Dame's schedule is obviously tougher than UCF's, that's not what I'm saying. But Notre Dame is going to get their asses beat in the first round of the playoffs by whoever they play. They are a pedestrian team compared to the other contenders. But national media people want to act like Southern Cal is still some powerhouse that makes ND's schedule legit!
[Edited on December 2, 2018 at 1:39 AM. Reason : but 4-loss Stanford was overrated #7 when ND beat them!]

12/2/2018 1:32:08 AM

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I mean if we’re going down that rabbit hole...clemson hasn’t beat anybody either.

ND deserves to be in. As does clemson, obviously.

[Edited on December 2, 2018 at 9:44 AM. Reason : A]

12/2/2018 9:44:02 AM

Big4Country
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^or they could just take four teams from the big ten east or sec west and have a playoff.

12/2/2018 11:26:46 AM

tower
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If only we could play "nobodies" like Wake Forest

12/2/2018 12:05:39 PM

justinh524
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Why would they take 4 big ten teams? To have a shit playoff to see who the most overrated team in the country is?

12/2/2018 12:37:35 PM

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^I was just making the point that you have to count losses and not who played the toughest schedule. There have been years where there have been three top 15 caliber teams in the same division of the same mega conference.

12/2/2018 3:45:26 PM

justinh524
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Not in the big ten there hasn't. They always suck and are vastly overrated.

12/2/2018 4:40:56 PM

dmspack
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Satterfield to UL. Good hire for them imo.

12/3/2018 6:09:32 PM

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I wonder if more and more players skipping the bowl games could impact a greater push for expanded playoffs. Use to just be top 10 type Guys but seems like more and more mid round types too skipping, and the trend will continue. Nobody is skipping the playoff games and the lower tier bowls people just watch for a football fix, but some of these generally fun to watch 2nd tier bowls will lose that if they all just turn into young player preview games or bad football. Maybe it won’t impact ratings or attendance but for example I’m far less interested in WVU v Syracuse now(not that I really was before but I would have tuned in but without Grier, eh).

Harmon and Pratt skipping the bowl are not the level of player that was skipping the bowls just a few years ago. If the trend becomes all the guys entering the draft sitting out because the perception is it’s a disadvantage to not start prepping plus injury risk these games are going to really take a hit.

12/8/2018 3:56:27 PM

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I don't think players sitting out will have any effect on the explanation of playoffs. Playoffs might expand to 8 teams, but beyond that it will never happen, mainly because schools/conferences won't want to shorten the regular season (and lose that TV money.)

And I think you're underestimating the caliber of draft prospect that Harmon is. He's probably a top 3 WR right now.

Also think you're underestimating the ratings monster that is football. People watch even the most worthless of bowls.

12/8/2018 5:20:59 PM

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"People watch even the most worthless of bowls."


meh, I dunno how true this is. How many people are going to watch the Arizona Bowl aside from fans of Nevada or Arkansas State? Aside from their respective fanbases, how many viewers really care about Temple vs Duke, or Buffalo vs Troy? Hell, how many people care about our game aside from us and Aggie fans? There are way too many bowl games.

12/8/2018 6:06:40 PM

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^^It has nothing to do with where Harmon is but the point being guys like him from an NC State weren’t sitting out bowl games a few years ago(how many top 3 wrs sat out bowl games before 2016?). It seems to be more a growing trend where the value of playing isn’t outweighing the value of preparing for the draft.

Expanding the playoffs to create more meaningful games is something I could see helping to push that expansion as a talking point for why it’s needed. I never said it was going to 64 teams. But I don’t see this trend stopping especially if there is combine and draft success from those sitting out.

As TT points out it’s too much as is, now you start to remove more and more talent games get a lot less interesting fast. Hell you can’t really even watch just for some conference bragging rights because how do you gauge us vs. the SEC with 2 of our best players out or Grier not playing. Even gambling on the games takes a hit as this hurts that too. I just see it as a potential big problem if this snowballs to many draft eligible players sitting.

12/8/2018 8:55:18 PM

justinh524
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You want players to not sit out? Pay them.

You want to expand the playoffs, which means adding more games? Pay the players.

That's really the only solution to every single complaint you have. There really isn't another option. If you expand the playoffs where you add 3-4 extra games onto the regular season and I can guarantee there will be players who won't play. Almost any team in the national championship of an 8 team playoff would be playing it's 16th game.

12/8/2018 9:20:36 PM

titans78
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I’m not complaining you moron. When did I say they shouldn’t sit out?

I simply made the point that I wonder if more guys sitting would help push an expansion of the playoffs forward faster to create more meaningful games guys won’t sit out.

What am I missing here? You are the absolute worst.

12/8/2018 9:27:16 PM

TreeTwista10
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Bama and Clemson will be playing 15 games this year, what's one extra game for some 18-22 year olds?

[Edited on December 8, 2018 at 9:30 PM. Reason : they'll miss too many classes!!1]

12/8/2018 9:28:50 PM

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i feel like im in at least the 95th percentile of sports fans and I've pretty much checked out on all bowl games not involving my team since the playoffs

12/8/2018 11:10:33 PM

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"There are way too many bowl games."


I get why it feels like this is true. But Duke/UNC basketball got a 2.0 tv rating last March. Over 3 million viewers. http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2018/03/unc-duke-ratings-espn-season-high/

Meanwhile. Many mediocre bowls had more viewers than that. Army/SDSU had a better rating. USF/Texas Tech was better. In terms of viewers, bowls are doing fine. http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2018/01/college-football-bowl-ratings-increase/

12/9/2018 10:36:34 AM

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I had a company Christmas party yesterday, so I didn't get a chance to watch, but I was glad to see that Army beat Navy for a 3rd year in a row after losing 14 straight to them from 2002 to 2015. It would be great to see a 4 game win streak by Army before hopefully some shorter win streaks in the series. Their coaching staff has done a great job turning that program around. They have now won back to back CIC Trophies.

12/9/2018 12:08:47 PM

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http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25535754/shawndarrius-phillips-fiu-panthers-arrested-domestic-battery-count

Butch Davis still running a clean program I see.

12/14/2018 9:40:19 PM

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I have met Butch Davis a few times and have to admit that he does not seem to be a scumbag, the total opposite in fact and seems like standup guy. He will readily admit that he got screwed at UNC, which isn’t surprising given that we found out much of what was going on in the athletic department was already well established well before he got there. Given that it took so long to arrest the player from the time the warrant was issued, and the fact that it was in Broward County instead of Miami-Dade County, I would not be surprised if the coaches at FIU didn’t know about it.

12/14/2018 10:54:28 PM

justinh524
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Butch Davis hired his old buddy John Blake, who was paid by an agent while he was on staff at UNC. That had nothing to do with the academic scandal. They vacated 2 seasons of wins because of shit he brought into the program, that was enough to warrant him getting fired (but UNC definitely tried to pin their institutional cheating on him.)

12/15/2018 12:26:24 AM

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