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YPA is a meaningless stat without context, other than a measure of your passing game's efficiency as a whole. An incompletion hurts your average way more than a completed deep pass helps it. Cam and Ben have practically the same YPA this year, would you say they are both throwing it deep at the same rate?

12/3/2018 3:32:17 PM

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Kelvin Benjamin released by the Bills.

Schadenfreude.

12/4/2018 4:29:08 PM

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"YPA is a meaningless stat without context, other than a measure of your passing game's efficiency as a whole. An incompletion hurts your average way more than a completed deep pass helps it. Cam and Ben have practically the same YPA this year, would you say they are both throwing it deep at the same rate?"


I still stand by my conclusion that Rivers and Newton are nothing alike as passers. Rivers is extremely accurate throwing downfield, Newton is not.

12/4/2018 4:49:18 PM

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That's fine. I didn't say they were the same, I said they had similarities. Also, Cam was one of the best deep passers in the league 2011-2016.

12/4/2018 4:53:38 PM

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And Rivers is regularly one of the most accurate passers in the NFL. The same cannot be said for Cam.

12/4/2018 5:56:31 PM

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that's cause Rivers got his dose of Norv a lot earlier in his career

12/4/2018 6:18:07 PM

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well that was the most pathetic four play stretch in a while,

12/9/2018 2:49:18 PM

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Another week with laughable clock management. Riveras gotta go

12/9/2018 2:50:15 PM

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another dumb game but the rookies are looking really good

12/9/2018 3:17:41 PM

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Bye Ron.

12/9/2018 4:04:57 PM

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"Could have a top 3-4 draft pick still, probably"


I believe!

12/9/2018 4:14:20 PM

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schedule Cams surgery for tomorrow

12/9/2018 4:15:00 PM

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so many needs -- OL, pass rush, secondary...

the window has shut on this current incarnation of the panthers. lot of work to do now.

12/9/2018 4:15:46 PM

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window has absolutely not shut

still a ton of pieces. just need to shed some of the about-to-retire vets and get a new head coach.

12/9/2018 4:25:34 PM

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Good loss. Omar Khan and whoever HC he hires will be able to add a top 5 pick and have a very talented roster to work with next year.

12/9/2018 4:32:08 PM

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dude this defense is being kept together by kuechly and his giant balls

our offensive line is trash outside of turner and williams, and we will need to replace kalil

we have no pass rush if we aren't blitzing, and we will also have to replace whatever juice peppers brings to the team

bradberry is fine...but he's not a number one corner. donte might be a good piece but also he might not, we've seen solid rookie performances by corners not turn out long term with Bene and to some extent Worley (and I would argue, Bradberry)

I'm not worried about the skills players on offense outside of Funch, certainly not worried about Cam, but this team has a ton of holes.

12/9/2018 4:39:21 PM

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The secondary will always look like garbage when you have zero edge rushers. The Panthers should take one in like each of the first three rounds of the draft.

12/9/2018 4:42:48 PM

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that’s an easy lie you are telling yourself about the skill of this team.

[Edited on December 9, 2018 at 4:50 PM. Reason : how many cheap double moves and blown assignments have we seen]

12/9/2018 4:49:11 PM

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^I mean, that's coaching. Getting beat over the top has been a hallmark of Rivera's defenses since 2011. If we aren't getting elite production from our front four, it doesn't matter who we have playing in the secondary.

Honestly, I love Kuechly, but middle linebackers don't make elite defenses in today's NFL. A smart move would be to cash in on his trade value while he's still young and healthy.

Who are y'all rooting for the rest of the season? I'm going with 'dem boys and the Chargers. Do it for Romo and Rivers!

[Edited on December 9, 2018 at 4:55 PM. Reason : i'm drruuuuunbk]

12/9/2018 4:52:26 PM

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dirty little secret is that Kuechly has been a half-step or so off all season

his numbers are still really good and his intangibles are still off the charts, but he’s been getting beat/missing tackles that he never would’ve missed in previous seasons

12/9/2018 4:56:27 PM

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This is ludicrous. He is so good in so many ways, but he's one of the best linebackers in coverage in the league. That is so important.

Fucking insane, trade Luke Kuechly. For what? A chance to maybe draft another linebacker that we would be incredibly lucky to approach Kuechly's talents? I know he's a liability but one hit could end any players career.

Luke is going into the HOF. He may Dan Morgan himself but it would be the height of madness to get rid of him.

12/9/2018 5:14:01 PM

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Everything you just said is true, but when you look at the elite defense in today's NFL, they aren't built around elite middle linebackers who force TFLs in the run game. They are built around elite pass rushers and press man coverage. How times have we gotten a 2 yard loss, and then given up a pass over the top for a 1st down or TD a play later? You can't stop competent offenses between the 20s, the rules don't allow it. You need to capitalize on turnover opportunities, get off the field on 3rd down, and force field goals in the red zone.

12/9/2018 5:24:10 PM

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The team is honestly in a really rough spot. This could horrendously if the wrong moves are made. I think you shut Cam down and get whatever needs to be done with his arm done, and fire anyone who has a problem with that. But, as much as I've never been a huge Rivera guy, he's a guy who props up a defense above their talent level generally...and that's really scary with a team that is the worst in the NFL on defense since this losing streak started.

12/9/2018 5:32:00 PM

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You don't fire Ron. You absolutely keep this staff together and try to fix this, it's the only answer that results in a team that could end up competing next year. Our problem is personnel. I don't know how we can fix that problem in one offseason, but changing the coaching staff isn't going to help that.

12/9/2018 5:37:02 PM

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I think it's pretty clear you have to get rid of everyone old and draft dlinemen with pretty much every pick

12/9/2018 5:50:02 PM

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or draft BPA and find a bunch of Efe Obada types

12/9/2018 5:53:13 PM

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For pass rushers you need small fast guys, I wish Marquis Haynes was getting more snaps. There's no more seven step drops that gives a pass rusher time to work his moves and get around the edge, you need people who can beat their man quick and take a straight line to the QB. A lot of feast or famine, but again, it's about that one play that generates a turnover or gets you off the field in the redzone.

12/9/2018 5:56:50 PM

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I think they'll lose the next 3 without trying to do so, which is beneficial. Great effort 18 'thers.

12/9/2018 10:18:56 PM

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Up to the #14 pick by my count. Could pass 5 or 6 more next week.

12/10/2018 7:04:58 AM

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Still easy path to playoff guys. Just a halfgame back fr Vikings. Win two of last three and we're in!

12/11/2018 2:12:47 PM

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We jumped the Browns in draft order, but the broncos are now ahead of us for a few days

12/15/2018 11:38:40 PM

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CMC4QB

12/17/2018 8:41:17 PM

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Holy shit, I'm so tired of the Peppers love on my Facebook. How do people not remember Jon Beason calling him lazy and accusing him of taking plays off on sports radio?

3/12/2017 10:43:17 AM"


Just retire goddamnit

12/17/2018 9:18:58 PM

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cam either hurt or reverting back to a pretty average qb

12/17/2018 9:42:20 PM

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it's been pretty obvious his shoulder has been hurt for weeks to anyone who has watched this team play

I'm happy with holding them to 6 points in the first half

[Edited on December 17, 2018 at 9:47 PM. Reason : Keep Pounding]

12/17/2018 9:47:02 PM

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When Cam misses, he misses high and wide. That was a 20 yard fade that wobbled and died in midair. His arm is totally gone, he should not be playing.

12/17/2018 9:48:43 PM

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^inclined to agree with you but that's pretty much three years straight now hmm

12/17/2018 9:48:46 PM

tower
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put heinicke in

12/17/2018 10:04:10 PM

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If he wasn't hurt and just struggling with his mechanics he'd be running all the time and he hasn't had more than 5 rushes since Tampa 1.

12/17/2018 10:14:12 PM

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The really sad thing is if our defense played like this the past five weeks we'd be 10-3 and Cam wouldn't have had to throw a single pass in the fourth quarter.

12/17/2018 10:20:41 PM

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Line Judge has been a clown all night.

12/17/2018 10:24:01 PM

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So many friggin turnovers

12/17/2018 10:26:44 PM

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how about you draft jaysam if you want to run that play instead of the maryland wr who loves fumbling

12/17/2018 10:27:45 PM

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12/17/2018 10:32:11 PM

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"might have been a bad spot"

Hold Jason back. He's fired up.

12/17/2018 10:32:54 PM

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haha, fuck you drew brees

12/17/2018 10:39:13 PM

cptinsano
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Your MVP leader

12/17/2018 10:40:46 PM

justinh524
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Man, if I had Taysom Hill as my gadget QB, I'd use him on every 2pt attempt.

[Edited on December 17, 2018 at 10:41 PM. Reason : ^Mahomes is the MVP leader]

12/17/2018 10:41:12 PM

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He leads in the Booger vote.

12/17/2018 10:42:09 PM

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lol. 4th and inches. Crowd barely awake.

12/17/2018 11:04:19 PM

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